Duck Season II: Firing Back

[Pelican]

I thought flat_footed's vote looked really lazy yesterday, so I'll start there, but I want to see if I can get any new reads now that I know Ramsus is a wolf. Honestly didn't expect that to be the case at all.

[Grand Arbiter]

I'll poke Vesth, since they've been flying under the radar. Their votes Day 1&2 were Elodin (town lean) and Lex(hunter).

[Kish]

flat_footed does, I can confirm from the D&D game I'm running that they're in, have a non-duck-related reason to not be posting as much as usual.

[Meta]

Black Socks was saved by a last minute wolf vote, and our two most recent posthumously confirmed townies were on his wagon.

[Kish]

If Ramsus actively didn't want Black Socks killed, rather than being happy with either Black Socks or Lex-Kat getting killed, it certainly was a risky play to wait until the last minute and negotiate before changing to voting for Lex-Kat.

[Fortuna]

I'll go with Black Socks - that seems like as good a lead as any, until information spills forth from FC's supposed network for us to pick over.

[Eggel]

I'm really curious as to what Fleeing Coward's network will say, but maybe some info can come from poking BasketofPuppies.

[Meta]

If Ramsus actively didn't want Black Socks killed, rather than being happy with either Black Socks or Lex-Kat getting killed, it certainly was a risky play to wait until the last minute and negotiate before changing to voting for Lex-Kat.

Linking wolves in this manner is generally not ideal. I assume it was a last resort and he wasn't expecting to be night killed.

[Duck999]

Murska is Replacing The-lost-Byte.
Effective immediately.

Wow, Murska doesn't stay dead long at all.

[BasketOfPuppies]

I'm really curious as to what Fleeing Coward's network will say, but maybe some info can come from poking BasketofPuppies.

What info would you like?

[Penguinator]

Black Socks needs to be lynched. Ramsus took the lynch away from the town, and he did so seemingly to save Black Socks. It was incredibly ballsy to do so at the last minute, but it worked. Given that Black Socks is a voider, which is traditionally not a town role, I'd say he definitely ought to be the lynch today.

[Murska]

Yeah, Black Socks I would say.

I don't trust Fleeing Coward yet. There's still no evidence of his alignment either way.

[Fleeing Coward]

Still waiting for information coming in. I'm leaning on Black Socks been town, rather see some pressure on Pengi or ImperatorV.

I arranged for the vig to kill Ramsus for his slip late yesterday - no town could have been so certain that Lex wasn't wolf like Ramsus was.

[Murska]

Still waiting for information coming in. I'm leaning on Black Socks been town, rather see some pressure on Pengi or ImperatorV.

I arranged for the vig to kill Ramsus for his slip late yesterday - no town could have been so certain that Lex wasn't wolf like Ramsus was.

So, wait, you made Kish kill Ramsus instead of Lex, and then Lex was killed anyway by someone else? Or do you mean there's a different Vigilante and we should be lynching Kish instead?

[Xihirli]

Pelican, only because I despise randomness. EVERYTHING MUST BE DONE OUT OF SPITE!

As you all know, I have a deep personal hatred for birds of all kinds, but penguins are the worst. Their posh dress, their efficient hunting, their awesome egg-storing skills... they all mock the drow, a species well-known for being impared in fashion sense, not-killing-everyone-while-hunting, and utterly failing that impossible egg/spoon/mouth game.

Penguinator.

I TRICKED ALL OF YOU! I LOVE BIRDS!

[Deathslayer7]

I'm inclined to trust FC on this. Penguinator.

[Grand Arbiter]

Anybody have a guess as to how many wolvesducks are left?

[Fleeing Coward]

I'm in contact with a different vig.

If there's a seer that hasn't contacted me, please contact me immediately.

[Murska]

Plenty of vigs to go around, huh.

[Kish]

Yes, there's a different vigilante. I killed Lex-Kat, which proved not the right decision. Still a hunter, though.

[Fleeing Coward]

Actually, lynch Black Socks. He was asked to void Kish and he said he did yet Kish vig kill still went off.

I'm also not sure about Kish either. I know for a fact they were on after I sent a PM asking them specifically to not vig Lex, in capital letters, on the title.

Edit: My biggest issue at the moment is that I have 3 people based on different information that I think are highly likely to be Ducks but it can't possibly be this easy right?

[Murska]

Actually, lynch Black Socks. He was asked to void Kish and he said he did yet Kish vig kill still went off.

I'm also not sure about Kish either. I know for a fact they were on after I sent a PM asking them specifically to not vig Lex, in capital letters, on the title.

Hmm. Wolves are likely as not to have a Voider in this game, and if they didn't they'd be less than likely to lie about it.
Why throw one of theirs under a bus for obvious lies just to prevent a single vig kill? It's quite possible that the wolves have a conditional second kill of some kind and it just didn't happen to be Kish who used it.


Honestly, if you're really Town, you should just come out with all the relevant information and let the public judge.

[Black Socks]

My void isn't 100% effective. Can't say the specific chances since

Absolutely no using role PMs as evidence.

[Kish]

Yes, you did, but I didn't trust you. Still don't, much, and to what extent I do it's because Ramsus flipped wolf (i.e., I have seen no reason to trust you from you). I have, now, been in touch with someone who's been in touch with you and who's a little more forthcoming with information.

That Black Socks explicitly claimed to void me is interesting, though.

Edited to add: Duck999, could you clarify that? Is Black Socks not allowed to describe their role, or are they only barred from directly quoting your PM?

[Duck999]

Edited to add: Duck999, could you clarify that? Is Black Socks not allowed to describe their role, or are they only barred from directly quoting your PM?

You can paraphrase a PM and describe your ability, but no writing out your role PM in my words. You have to use your own.

[Fleeing Coward]

Yes, you did, but I didn't trust you. Still don't, much, and to what extent I do it's because Ramsus flipped wolf (i.e., I have seen no reason to trust you from you). I have, now, been in touch with someone who's been in touch with you and who's a little more forthcoming with information.

That Black Socks explicitly claimed to void me is interesting, though.

Edited to add: Duck999, could you clarify that? Is Black Socks not allowed to describe their role, or are they only barred from directly quoting your PM?

This is what I don't get. You don't trust me yet the only reason you should be vigging Lex last night is if you trusted my claim that Lex is wolf.
How can you trust my early accusation of Lex then ignore my later public and private request to leave Lex alone?

[Black Socks]

Okay, then. My role is the Decoy Duck. My void has a 90% chance of working on ducks and a 25% chance of working on hunters.

[Murska]

Okay, then. My role is the Decoy Duck. My void has a 90% chance of working on ducks and a 25% chance of working on hunters.

Sounds good.

Penguinator.

[Fleeing Coward]

The key to this could be whether or not my watcher followed my suggestion on last night's target.

I do have another lynch target in mind but it's still abit early to pull the trigger on that person until I get some clarification from someone else.

My secondary target would result in my vig friend killing a second Duck tonight as the worst case scenario.

[Kish]

This is what I don't get. You don't trust me yet the only reason you should be vigging Lex last night is if you trusted my claim that Lex is wolf.
How can you trust my early accusation of Lex then ignore my later public and private request to leave Lex alone?

Look at what I said when I voted for her. I trusted that, with the two of you advancing incompatible claims, one was lying and the liar was a wolf, and that sticking to the "kill Lex-Kat and, if she comes out truthful, kill Fleeing Coward" plan would reveal which was which. If she was the truthful one, well, losing one hunter would have been worth it to kill a duck. If you'd said "don't kill her, she clarified that her Mason network day-baned me, not her personally*," that would have been different than just "Don't kill her because now I'm saying so"--which had the primary effect of making me wonder if you were both wolves and you were counting on the lynch you called on her being too late in the day to actually happen.

To put it another way: I vigilante killed her for the exact same stated reason that I voted to lynch her before that.

*Which would have given me, or made public, the information that she was a Mason, so it's understandable that you didn't, but saying just "don't do it because I say don't do it" carried no weight at all.