Duck Season II: Firing Back

[Lex-Kat]

Norman claimed to have revived me. I'm beginning to believe that was a very evil thing to do now. But not for game reasons.

I never heard from Meta that he was the one who revived me. Is that what you are asking, because that's what it sounds like you are asking. My head hurts so much now.

[Meta]

I don't mind having an uphill battle the following day. If I survive and can share another scry, I'm helping the team. If I end up getting night killed instead of lynched, it's also better for town. If I wasn't invested in making the team as a whole do well, I would have just rolled over and accepted lynch today.

[Grand Arbiter]

Norman claimed to have revived me. I'm beginning to believe that was a very evil thing to do now. But not for game reasons.

I never heard from Meta that he was the one who revived me. Is that what you are asking, because that's what it sounds like you are asking. My head hurts so much now.

I was questioning the level of detail given, as I think such a level of detail would not be normal for seer/fool.

[Murska]

Lex, just lynch Murska or Elenna. Meta is self resolving.
If Meta is what he claims to be, Ducks have to kill him tonight. If he's still alive in the morning, then we'll lynch him.

Does this ever work? Didn't you say the same about yourself on like, day one of this very game?

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I was questioning the level of detail given, as I think such a level of detail would not be normal for seer/fool.

Devil gets a lot of detail, seer/fool gets very little. And we already have 2 other confirmed Town seers and 1 other confirmed Neutral seer.

[Kish]

Norman claimed to have revived me. I'm beginning to believe that was a very evil thing to do now. But not for game reasons.

I never heard from Meta that he was the one who revived me. Is that what you are asking, because that's what it sounds like you are asking. My head hurts so much now.

Meta has not claimed to have revived you. The question was whether Meta sent you the PM that he said he sent you, that Fleeing Coward said he could confirm he sent you.

Isn't it fun being a confirmed-as-it-gets-while-alive Mason?

[Meta]

That level of detail seems to be anomalous. Here are my other scries minus one name:

"You creep up on McGinty, but you see a rustle in the bushes and are scared away. [Interference]"

"You listen closely and hear a quiet conversation between _______ and someone else."

"You hear some panting, and then the sound of loud sniffing. Maybe a dog?"

N1,N3,N4 respectively.

[Kish]

Looks pretty unambiguously like a role-scry, rather than a side-scry (specifically not mentioning whether the person is duck, hunter, or, in the dog's case, duck or hunter-aligned). Also looks very auditorially oriented, which is odd for a dog.

If Murska is to be believed about his scry, apparently it picks up "animal" or "not animal," which would catch ducks but not distinguish them from hunter-aligned animals, nor would it distinguish "human who serves the ducks" from a bog-standard hunter.

The classic side-scry may not exist in this game.

[Murska]

As a sidenote, resurrections often have a percentage chance of turning evil.

Anyway, I find it rather convenient that none of your supposedly accurate scries contain any useful information for Town.

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Makes sense for the Devil to have a role scry rather than an alignment scry, to me. They already know everyone's alignment.

[Kish]

I find it highly unlikely that a town-loyal norman250 would be letting us rely on Lex-Kat still being a Mason and not mentioning "oh yeah, 25% chance she's now on the ducks' side." So that leaves us just where we always were: however much we can trust one of them, we can trust both.

[Meta]

The classic side-scry may not exist in this game.

That is my assumption, and why I think there is no Fool, either.

[Murska]

I find it highly unlikely that a town-loyal norman250 would be letting us rely on Lex-Kat still being a Mason and not mentioning "oh yeah, 25% chance she's now on the ducks' side." So that leaves us just where we always were: however much we can trust one of them, we can trust both.

Basically true, yeah. The only outlier I see is unannounced side-effects.

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Clearly I shouldn't have ignored Murska's PM asking me to claim Devil. If only I had been a little more entertaining! Shucks.

Ignoring other people's PMs is terribly rude. It's like you people have no consideration for others. It's a game, least you can do is try to have a bit of fun with it.

[Meta]

Ignoring other people's PMs is terribly rude. It's like you people have no consideration for others. It's a game, least you can do is try to have a bit of fun with it.

Low blow! I'm sure the game etiquette irony does not escape you, considering you may as well have written 'I think it would be funny if you killed yourself [in game].'

There's no way I punctuated that last bit correctly.

[Murska]

Low blow! I'm sure the game etiquette irony does not escape you, considering you may as well have written 'I think it would be funny if you killed yourself [in game].'

There's no way I punctuated that last bit correctly.

Well, not ignoring a message does not mean doing as it says.

But yeah, I'd find it simultaneously exasperating and amusing if you were to somehow commit suicide in this game.

[norman250]

Norman claimed to have revived me. I'm beginning to believe that was a very evil thing to do now. But not for game reasons.

I never heard from Meta that he was the one who revived me. Is that what you are asking, because that's what it sounds like you are asking. My head hurts so much now.

I chose you because I figured a cleared mason would be a good choice if FC wasn't on the level, I wasn't trying to make your life stressful, sorry. What I was asking was, now that Meta has publicly revealed the content of his scry regarding me, did he ever reveal that to you privately before I publicly role claimed?

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I find it highly unlikely that a town-loyal norman250 would be letting us rely on Lex-Kat still being a Mason and not mentioning "oh yeah, 25% chance she's now on the ducks' side." So that leaves us just where we always were: however much we can trust one of them, we can trust both.

I will state, for whatever it's worth, that my role pm had no such stipulation, but it would be unwise to assume that it's impossible that Duck999 did not secretly include one.

[Lex-Kat]

The differences to look for are not between Meta and Murska. What I finds worrisome are the differences between McGinty and Meta.

Mrs. McGinty got:

Night 1: Black Socks smells of Plastic.

Night 2: ________ smells of Metal.

Night 3: Scared Away (voided).

Why would her scries come as "Black Socks smells of Plastic", and Meta's be "You hear some panting, and then the sound of loud sniffing. Maybe a dog?" (His scry of Mrs. McGinty last night.)

She is the professional, but has very little detail, unless she wasn't giving me all the details. But his describes something. Even without it saying "Maybe a dog?", one could easily surmise that what he's hearing is a dog. Or possibly another werewolf. But if all you get is "smells of plastic"... what does that even mean? Upon his death, we learn he was a decoy. So plastic makes sense. But who would have guessed that? Decoys, by the way, were made of wood in the olden days. Some still are.


{{Loving the roles Duck999. And you are doing a great job with this game. Keep up the good work.}}

[Xihirli]

It could very well be easier for dogs to tell whether another person is a dog or not. Did the Professional Hunting Dog scry on anyone who wants to claim dog?
I think it would make sense that dogs would find it easier to find each other than other roles.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure ducks don't smell like plastic or metal.

[norman250]

I certainly don't want to die, so if the people on Elenna could move to Murska or vice/versa that would be great. I'm a little disappointed in town atm. I've not been counter claimed, and as far as I know have no objections about my play that I've not responded to.

I can verify Norman's claim to a certain degree. Here is the result of my N2:

"You creep up to norm250, and listen closely. At first, you hear nothing, but soon you begin to hear what sounds like someone looking through a bag of supplies. However, you don't hear the sound of a gun being moved around like most of the hunters and ducks have."

I meant this PM. Was the first time Meta revealed it here in thread, after I had already claimed, or did he share this with you before my claim?

[Deathslayer7]

My thoughts on this:

The novice dog is based on hearing (i.e. fool). Thinks they know what they are doing but uses eyesight rather than smell to figure out.

Whereas the professional dog knows to trust his nose rather than his eyes, so i.e. they get the smells of X deal.

Or Meta is a duck and based off of visual clues.

[Murska]

"You hear some panting, and then the sound of loud sniffing. Maybe a dog?" (His scry of Mrs. McGinty last night.)

Wait.

That won't be right. If we have a 'novice hunting dog' scrying 'expert hunting dog', there'd possibly be mention of a familiar scent, and more importantly, it'd be 'maybe another dog' not 'maybe a dog'. It's pretty clear that whoever received this particular message is not a dog themselves.

[Duck999]

Day 5 Over

The hunters have survived one more night, but things are going downhill fast. A small group of hunters meets up.
We've killed only one duck. Who knows how many more there could be?
And they are slowly whittling down our numbers.
If we stuck together, this would be so much easier.
You're right.
A squawk and a gunshot scatters the hunters. Two hunters, however, remain and face the oncoming threat, firing into the bushes. When they go to see what they killed...
That ain't no duck!

Spoiler: Resulst

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Murska was killed. He was the Neutral Goose.

Spoiler: Did not vote

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Vesth, Elodin, BoP, and Fortuna
They will all be PM'd by me and need to vote tomorrow.

Spoiler: Player List

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Player	Dead?	Role
flat_footed	Day 4	Wolf
Ramsus	Night 2	Penultimate Duck
norman250
Fortuna
Black Socks	Day 3	Decoy Duck
Libro
Deathslayer7
BasketOfPuppies
Silent_Interim	Day 1	Child
Kish
Murska	Night 2	Famous Hunter
Lex-Kat	Night 2	Family Member
Xihirli
Elenna
Disc Lorde	Night 1	Chauffeur
The-lost-ByteMurska	Day 5	Goose
PenguinatorDisc Lorde
ThematthewBlack Socks
Pelican
Mrs McGinty	Night 4	Professional Hunting Dog
Fleeing Coward
Eggel	Night 3	Inexperienced Hunter
ImperatorV
TFTSupagoof
Meta
Aventine
Vesth
Elodin

Begin night 5

Let's try 24 hours and see if we can get all the night actions in in time.

[Duck999]

I guess not. You have 24 more hours to get in your night action.

[Duck999]

Night 5 Over

It's a beautiful night in the neighboring woods, a beautiful night for a neighbor.It's all too bad there aren't any neighbors who aren't blood-thirsty ducks. The ducks once more split up, searching for a good shot on a hunter. They find one, alone. He seems well-armed, but that's nothing compared to the element of surprise. The ducks burst from the woods, guns blazing. The hunter drops dead, and the ducks immediately pull away to hide again.
Wait! He's not dead!
The ducks turn to find one of their brethren leaning over what they thought was a dead body. Turns out a bullet-proof vest protected him.
Well kill him, then.
The duck slits his throat and they all leave.

Spoiler: Results

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Disc Lorde was killed. He was the hunter Police Officer, the baner.

Spoiler: Player List

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Player	Dead?	Role
flat_footed	Day 4	Wolf
Ramsus	Night 2	Penultimate Duck
norman250
Fortuna
Black Socks	Day 3	Decoy Duck
Libro
Deathslayer7
BasketOfPuppies
Silent_Interim	Day 1	Child
Kish
Murska	Night 2	Famous Hunter
Lex-Kat	Night 2	Family Member
Xihirli
Elenna
Disc Lorde	Night 1	Chauffeur
The-lost-ByteMurska	Day 5	Goose
PenguinatorDisc Lorde	Night 5	Police Officer
ThematthewBlack Socks
Pelican
Mrs McGinty	Night 4	Professional Hunting Dog
Fleeing Coward
Eggel	Night 3	Inexperienced Hunter
ImperatorV
TFTSupagoof
Meta
Aventine
Vesth
Elodin

Begin Day 6

Day will be 72 hours, since in 48 hours I will be on a plane.

[Pelican]

Alright, back to the under the radar players: Elenna.

[Xihirli]

Elenna targetted Disc Lorde tonight.

[Kish]

Did she? That is suspicious. Anything to say for yourself, Elenna?

[Grand Arbiter]

Meta. If it needs to be explained, look at Murska's last post.

The three of you poking Elenna, while an unknown, is more than a little suspicious when Meta is likely a duck.

@Elenna: That having been said, what ability (if any) did you use on Disc Lorde?

[Deathslayer7]

Would someone be so kind as to tally up the votes of murska/Meta along with the names of who voted for who?

That being said, Murska made an assumption. And I fully agree Meta is suspicious as is Elenna.

That easily could have been a void him/night kill him action. I don't think the night kill action would register but the void would.

[Black Socks]

Meta seems more suspicious to me.

[Kish]

Requested yesterday count:

Target:	Voters:	Current Count:
Elenna	Pelican, Xihirli, Deathslayer7	3
Meta	Murska, Black Socks, Lex-Kat, ImperatorV, Supagoof	5
Murska	Kish, Elenna, Aventine, Disc Lorde, norman250, Meta, Fleeing Coward, Libro	8
No One	Fortuna, BasketOfPuppies, Vesth, Elodin	4

I believe this is accurate, though I could have missed something.

It is odd enough to be suspicious that a claimed Novice Hunting Dog hears rather than smells. I could be persuaded to vote for Meta based on that, now that there's no longer an obvious alternative who's sabotaged town already. I'm more curious about why Elenna targeted the night kill victim.

[Xihirli]

Did one of our multiple seers really not target Meta last night? I assumed we'd have word from the network on Meta's role.

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I don't think the night kill action would register but the void would.

I think the night kill action would register. Otherwise my lookout power would be pretty useless in finding ducks.