Duck Season II: Firing Back

[Kish]

Oh. Well then.

[Xihirli]

I'm sure I'll find a lot more to say if either Fortuna or thematthew show up today.

Does someone want to reiterate why Elodin is so suspicious? Preferably one of these people:

Okay, fine. I'm Lookout claiming. My night action was seeing who Elodin targetted with his night action tonight. I was nulled, which I found suspicious. It could mean he's a duck or a mason, but since others read him as duck I took the chance.

[Elenna]

I really need more hours in the day.

Elodin, any thoughts on Xihirli's claim?
In terms of wagons that aren't Elodin or FC, Mrs. McGinty's argument for Black Socks seemed distant. I'm also rather curious about Murska's Libro vote.

[Vesth]

My gut tells me that both Elodin and FC are town though. Hmm....based on that assumption, I'm going to vote for Lex-Kat for claiming FC to be a wolf duck.

[Pelican]

Okay, fine. I'm Lookout claiming. My night action was seeing who Elodin targetted with his night action tonight. I was nulled, which I found suspicious. It could mean he's a duck or a mason, but since others read him as duck I took the chance.

I'm confused. Why would your action being nulled indicate anything about Elodin's alignment?

[ImperatorV]

I'm confused. Why would your action being nulled indicate anything about Elodin's alignment?

If Elodin was nulled, he was either nulled by ducks or hunters. Given he was a suspect yesterday, it's likely someone would want to look at him at night. A town nullifier would have wanted information on him, and not nulled him. On the other hand, if he was a duck, and the town suspected he was a duck, then the best course of action for the ducks would be to make sure he isn't found out - so he would be the best target for any scry-blocker type abilities. Unless a hunter thought the ducks might night-kill Elodin and tried to block it... But Elodin was a big target yesterday, if he was not a duck the ducks would want to keep him around to absorb suspicion.

...Granted, this is all very speculative. The only solid reads I have is Murska seems to be town, as does Aventine. I don't really see any obvious wolves, although Fleeing Coward's repeated claims of being deadly to wolves and "you'll find out my role later" seem slightly suspicious. This new claim on Elodin seems pretty sound though, so I'll go with that for now.

[Deathslayer7]

Libro myself.

[Penguinator]

I put the second vote on Fleeing Coward yesterday, randomly, as I said. Elodin had, I believe, three votes at the time. It didn't tie them, nor would I have cast that vote if it had (I would have picked someone with 0 or 1 votes to vote for, had that not accurately described FC).

I'm not talking about yesterday, I'm talking about today. Today, you put the third vote on Fleeing Coward, which tied Elodin with three and three. Libro had already taken his vote off. Either way, I don't think pressing the issue is worth it.

And... to be perfectly honest... I don't fully understand the implications of Xihirli's claim.

[Xihirli]

Someone nulled actions being performed on Elodin last night - Baner or Duck equivalent.

[Kish]

Oh, I see. If all things remain the same as they are now I'll probably switch to Elodin before day's end (as I thought I had implied), though I'd like to see Fleeing Coward explain himself more first; I'm pretty inexperienced but "I have a mysterious power that totally means the ducks will be sorry if you don't kill me" looks suspicious as hell to me.

Xihirli is saying that someone protected Elodin from being watched. Could have been random (I have a night power that's random, and generally unlikely to be very useful, though I might get lucky using it--and no, Xihirli, it's not possible that I'm the one who protected Elodin), but if it's not, then it follows that someone didn't want Elodin targeted by night actions. Like scrying. And since they were under suspicion, the ducks had a reason to want to protect them from scrying whereas a hunter baner had no good reason to bane them.

[BasketOfPuppies]

Libro myself.

This makes the second time Libro was voted for without any reasoning. That feels to me like the wolves may be trying to get town to abandon a wolf that they're pushing to lynch. So I've a weak wolf lean on DS7 and Murska now.

[norman250]

I'll agree that it seems odd that they both switched to Libro with little explanation.

[Aventine]

Oh, hello there Elodin wagon, just when I thought you were dead you come roaring back. If anyone is voting for Elodin simply because of the Xihirli stuff, keep in mind that the ducks blocking a reading on him doesn't make him a duck. It just means the ducks don't want us to know what he is.

I don't see how Lex would ever expect to get away with the white-text stunt if she were really up to something. I'd call that unhelpful and anti-town, but not really wolfy.

I am also confused about why people are voting for Murska. He and McGinty have probably been the two most actively wolf-hunting players in the game. Norman, you voted for Murska and asked him to explain his vote, he did, you seemed to accept his explanation but left your vote on him. Why?

[Lex-Kat]

Lex-Kat, that vote seems deliberately unhelpful. You threw a vote on the leading wagon with no reasoning other than "because I always do." That is not wolf-finding behavior.

Is there some reason we're ignoring Lex claim FC is a wolf?

White text mostly.

Also highlighting: Lex-Kat just said that she knows that Fleeing Coward is a duck. Is there a reason not to kill Fleeing Coward today, and kill Lex-Kat tomorrow if it turns out FC is a hunter?

My gut tells me that both Elodin and FC are town though. Hmm....based on that assumption, I'm going to vote for Lex-Kat for claiming FC to be a wolf duck.

There is another reason I was trying to press the FC lynch. Mostly because I know for a fact that he can't be lynched this day. He is under my protection.

Please consider that I'm not the best player at the beginning of a game. Nor am I all that good at the end game. I usually mess up somewhere, some how. And it looks like I did it right at the start, this time. But I will say lynching me is a waste, let the wolves do it for you. Yes, this is a claim. And if we lynch Fleeing Coward, you'll have your proof that I am what I suggest I am.

[Fleeing Coward]

Kish, my "suspicious" comment drew a total of 7 night actions against me if my watcher is telling the truth. I already got claims from a few of them and would be open to hearing from the rest.

Even if we ignore my power which as I've mentioned is provable if needed, the reason you don't lynch me is because there's a good chance I'll have half the town networked by day 4 if the wolves don't try to remove me or bluff their way into the network.

@Lex: If you're claiming Day Baner, lynching me today would just be a waste of a day of information gathering

[norman250]

Oh, hello there Elodin wagon, just when I thought you were dead you come roaring back. If anyone is voting for Elodin simply because of the Xihirli stuff, keep in mind that the ducks blocking a reading on him doesn't make him a duck. It just means the ducks don't want us to know what he is.

I don't see how Lex would ever expect to get away with the white-text stunt if she were really up to something. I'd call that unhelpful and anti-town, but not really wolfy.

I am also confused about why people are voting for Murska. He and McGinty have probably been the two most actively wolf-hunting players in the game. Norman, you voted for Murska and asked him to explain his vote, he did, you seemed to accept his explanation but left your vote on him. Why?

Because he offered his explanation in the same post as he switched his vote to Libro with no explanation what so ever.
Also I have no better targets, really.

[Penguinator]

There is another reason I was trying to press the FC lynch. Mostly because I know for a fact that he can't be lynched this day. He is under my protection.

Please consider that I'm not the best player at the beginning of a game. Nor am I all that good at the end game. I usually mess up somewhere, some how. And it looks like I did it right at the start, this time. But I will say lynching me is a waste, let the wolves do it for you. Yes, this is a claim. And if we lynch Fleeing Coward, you'll have your proof that I am what I suggest I am.

I'd like to point out that everything you're suggesting right now is even less helpful.

You're not actively hunting for wolves, you actively want town to waste a lynch which is their only weapon against the wolves (unless we have a vigilante, which I'm personally not) and considering that there's a dead Wolf Day-Baner in my game that's running right now, getting you "cleared" as a day-baner does not even mean that you're town.

I'm going to switch to Black Socks, partially in the interest of having a lynch, because failing to lynch Fleeing Coward will give us no information, and partially because I find him oddly aggressive in his pursuit of Fleeing Coward.

[Ramsus]

Anyone want to do a voting tally? Because I too do not want to waste lynches and get a no lynch.

Not the best at early game indeed.

[Aventine]

Count I have is:
Elodin - 4
FC - 3
Black Socks - 3
Murska - 2
Libro - 2
Norman - 1
Eggel - 1
Lex - 1

No guarantees I didn't miscount, and I'm feeling too lazy at the moment to go back and carefully count again.

[Murska]

Murska, care to explain your vote for Libro?

Mostly tone. I like people who are proactive about pressuring people and gathering information, I dislike hesitancy and appearance of weakness in thought or action.

Do you people really think that's a wolf-tell? Or are you just voting for something you think is confusing, not something you think is scummy?

[norman250]

I'd like to point out that everything you're suggesting right now is even less helpful.

You're not actively hunting for wolves, you actively want town to waste a lynch which is their only weapon against the wolves (unless we have a vigilante, which I'm personally not) and considering that there's a dead Wolf Day-Baner in my game that's running right now, getting you "cleared" as a day-baner does not even mean that you're town.

I agree with this, actually, it would be ridiculous to waste a day's lynch on proving a day-baner, it's like giving the wolves a free-night kill.

Do you people really think that's a wolf-tell? Or are you just voting for something you think is confusing, not something you think is scummy?

I'll be 100% honest, that (confusing vs. wolf-tell) is the exact reason for my point.

As for Black Socks, could people speak more to why they find him suspect? So far McGinty's post seemed to just be concerned that he made a few RP/Host-Question/Non-Pointing posts. Are we really going to lynch someone just because not all their posts were lynch related?

[Meta]

As for Black Socks, could people speak more to why they find him suspect? So far McGinty's post seemed to just be concerned that he made a few RP/Host-Question/Non-Pointing posts. Are we really going to lynch someone just because not all their posts were lynch related?

It's more that none of their posts were helpful information related.

Don't sacrifice a lynch day for proof of a claim. There's enough power going around.

Xihirli, do you know for certain it was a baner action that nulled you or are you extrapolating. It could be something like a jailer, but generally I thought banes don't prevent information roles from functioning.

Black Socks does seem to be coasting whereas Elodin is not so much.

[Xihirli]

It's more that none of their posts were helpful information related.

Don't sacrifice a lynch day for proof of a claim. There's enough power going around.

Xihirli, do you know for certain it was a baner action that nulled you or are you extrapolating. It could be something like a jailer, but generally I thought banes don't prevent information roles from functioning.

Black Socks does seem to be coasting whereas Elodin is not so much.

I only know that my action was nulled.

[Murska]

I'll be 100% honest, that (confusing vs. wolf-tell) is the exact reason for my point.

As for Black Socks, could people speak more to why they find him suspect? So far McGinty's post seemed to just be concerned that he made a few RP/Host-Question/Non-Pointing posts. Are we really going to lynch someone just because not all their posts were lynch related?

The key thing is that his posts feel like they contain an attempt to appear active and helpful without feeling like they contain true intent to help Town hunt scum.

I only know that my action was nulled.

This might, in a game like this, mean a lot of things.

[Fortuna]

I'm exceedingly sorry for my lack of activity in this game - not that it's a particularly unusual lack on my part, but I've spent fourteen of the past twenty-four hours asleep and most of the rest exhausted. For now I will follow Murska's lead in voting for Black Socks and then roll over and go back to sleep, hopefully to take an active part in tomorrow.

[Eggel]

We need a target other than Elodin. He's the "easy" lynch today which means he's almost certainly not the right one.

Based on the current bandwagon ties, I have to go for Black Socks.

Murska and DS7, I'm still curious about your votes for Libro.

[Murska]

I like people following my lead to vote for people I am not voting for. Not that I disagree with the target necessarily.

I dislike people asking me to explain something I've already explained, twice.

[Eggel]

I just found your explanation, Murska. Whoops.

Then it's just Deathslayer7.

[Meta]

I dislike people asking me to explain something twice.

Care to explain why you don't like the free flow of information?

I have been and will be a little busier going through this weekend, but I welcome pokes looking for my opinion on anything.

[Grand Arbiter]

Specifically, I was curious to see which people would be willing to join a bandwagon, how they would justify it and, even more interestingly, which people would steer off of it without actually challenging it directly.

Am I bait for this^ strategy?

Following my understanding of your strategy, I'll poke Deathslayer7 for an explanation.