Otherworldly Patron: The Serpent Gods [PEACH]

[DracoKnight]

Earlier today when I was reading about the Yuan-Ti, I got sidetracked and started reading about the serpent gods that the Yuan-Ti made a pact with - I found them utterly fascinating, and was sad that they got relegated to the Great Old One patron. Wanting to give them something of there own, I decided to make them their very own Otherworldly Patron: The Serpent Gods!

[GandalfTheWhite]

At a glance, those features look fine - I would just recommend that you make the "Avatar of the Patron" a 12th level Invocation, not a 9th level one.

[DracoKnight]

At a glance, those features look fine - I would just recommend that you make the "Avatar of the Patron" a 12th level Invocation, not a 9th level one.

Hmmmmm...point taken.

[JRDS]

So as I understand it, using Serpent of Entropy you can create a new snake every round, right? And because Serpent of Entropy has a duration of 1 minute, you can stack them. Thus allowing you to amass, especially in later levels, a little army of snakes. Which you can control. This is too powerful.

[JRDS]

{{Scrubbed}}

That's a little rude/rough, don't you think? Plus, this is a homebrew board. Of course we're discussing additions to the games that we play. If you don't like the idea of someone adding stuff to 5e why come here?

[Wryte]

{scrubbed}

[DracoKnight]

So as I understand it, using Serpent of Entropy you can create a new snake every round, right? And because Serpent of Entropy has a duration of 1 minute, you can stack them. Thus allowing you to amass, especially in later levels, a little army of snakes. Which you can control. This is too powerful.

Ummmm...that's not the intent. The intent is that you're maintaining that one snake...will add concentration. Thank you for catching that.

[JRDS]

I've just realized that, and reported the post.

[JRDS]

Ummmm...that's not the intent. The intent is that you're maintaining that one snake...will add concentration. Thank you for catching that.

Yeah that fixes it.

Nice job, I like the homebrew. :)

[Tanuki Tales]

Keep your chin up OP; good homebrewing takes time and practice.

[Wryte]

Why the need to write Serpent of Entropy as a separate spell? Why not just leave it up to fluff that your Eldritch Blast takes the form of a spectral snake launching itself toward the target?

Serpent Ally seems redundant with Avatar of the Patron, unless you intend this patron to be heavily focused on summoning.

Emissary of the Serpent and Venom of the Serpent Gods are very difficult to read with that image under their text.

[DracoKnight]

Why the need to write Serpent of Entropy as a separate spell? Why not just leave it up to fluff that your Eldritch Blast takes the form of a spectral snake launching itself toward the target?

Ummmmm...I don't know...I guess I just like making stuff...

Serpent Ally seems redundant with Avatar of the Patron, unless you intend this patron to be heavily focused on summoning.

Avatar of the Patron is a generic Eldritch Invocation intended for all patrons.

Emissary of the Serpent and Venom of the Serpent Gods are very difficult to read with that image under their text.

If you're not using Google Chrome it does that - the Homebrewery doesn't like browsers that aren't Chrome. Sorry :/

[DracoKnight]

I have tweaked serpent of entropy.

[JRDS]

I have tweaked serpent of entropy.

Well the way it is currently, you're just doing 1d8 force damage. You say "As an action on your turn you may command the serpent to move within the range of the spell and make an attack." but because the spell lasts 1 round, the snake isn't lasting long enough to do anything?

Here's my suggestion. Make it concentration again, and leave it doing 1d8 force damage. Then, allow it to move, as your action, a certain range (say 60 ft for example) even outside the spell's cast range, and then make an attack. That makes it more unique.

[DracoKnight]

Well the way it is currently, you're just doing 1d8 force damage. You say "As an action on your turn you may command the serpent to move within the range of the spell and make an attack." but because the spell lasts 1 round, the snake isn't lasting long enough to do anything?

Here's my suggestion. Make it concentration again, and leave it doing 1d8 force damage. Then, allow it to move, as your action, a certain range (say 60 ft for example) even outside the spell's cast range, and then make an attack. That makes it more unique.

I dropped it to 1d8 force damage, and I'm allowing the serpent to make opportunity attacks - then vanishes at the end of the round. I don't want to make it Concentration, because then it's competing with features later... And for it to be better than them it would have to be better than a cantrip should be - and if you're concentrating on those other features, you're gonna end up casting EB, and why would you want to waste two of your cantrips to essentially do the same thing?

[JRDS]

Ah I didn't catch that line at the end of the second paragraph. My apologies.

[DracoKnight]

Ah I didn't catch that line at the end of the second paragraph. My apologies.

No worries ^_^

[DracoKnight]

Is it safe to assume that the features are balanced since no one's freaked out about any of them?

[JRDS]

I think this is good. Might even point it out to my friend that's playing a warlock.

[DracoKnight]

I think this is good. Might even point it out to my friend that's playing a warlock.

Thank you, that's high praise ^_^

You'll have to let me know what it's like in actual play

[GandalfTheWhite]

Is it safe to assume that the features are balanced since no one's freaked out about any of them?

Yup! I'm pretty sure it's okay

[DracoKnight]

Yup! I'm pretty sure it's okay

Coolio ^_^

[Spiriah]

Only issue I can see is that Serpent of Entropy could potentially do some pretty crazy opportunity attack damage - stack four serpents around one creature, and if it tries to move without disengaging, it takes four AoOs at no reaction cost to either you or the serpents. I'd potentially put some limit on that, but otherwise I like this. Cool concept!

[DracoKnight]

Only issue I can see is that Serpent of Entropy could potentially do some pretty crazy opportunity attack damage - stack four serpents around one creature, and if it tries to move without disengaging, it takes four AoOs at no reaction cost to either you or the serpents. I'd potentially put some limit on that, but otherwise I like this. Cool concept!

That's not until 17th level, though, and at that point, 4d8's not incredibly insane...unless I'm mistaken (which happens more frequently than I'd like to admit )

[DracoKnight]

{{Scrubbed}}.

I've been fairly patient - going so far as to ignore you - and honestly I've been amused by how trolly you've been. Call me a dumbass again, and I will flag you.

[DracoKnight]

{{Scrubbed}}

I've reported you. I kindly request that you be polite in my threads in the future. I will not quit homebrewing, so I assume I will continue to hear from you. Please, either cease commenting, or do so politely.

[DracoKnight]

{{Scrubbed}}.

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[khadgar567]

You are apparently tormented and confused individual to think that it's okay to wish rape upon someone. I have multiple close friends who were raped, and I am extremely offended by your notion that it is okay joke about people getting raped.

sorry to here that dracoknight by the way don't mind the village idiot keep up good work

[TundraBuccaneer]

Aren't you worried about the the high CR creatures of the Avatar of the Patron invocation? Especially with allot of them having spells(although that might have just been the phoenix and unicorn).

[DracoKnight]

Aren't you worried about the the high CR creatures of the Avatar of the Patron invocation? Especially with allot of them having spells(although that might have just been the phoenix and unicorn).

I'm not personally worried about it - as pact of the blade will likely have powerful magic weapons at this point, and pact of the tome has access to all of ritual casting. 12th level is in the 3rd tier of play, where PCs are likely saving whole regions or continents.