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2016-07-19, 03:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXIX
We all know frogs go "pop" in the microwave...
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2016-07-19, 03:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXIX
Character names! They go in the subject line of your PM! *fistshake*
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2016-07-19, 03:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXIX
Feed chickan to your serval so it can an grow
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2016-07-19, 03:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXIX
False advertising - I'm not seeing any way he can use those tails to fly.
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2016-07-19, 03:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXIX
And that appears to be everyone. Bigger round than we've had for a while - hopefully it doesn't scare off our judges!
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2016-07-19, 04:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXIX
So...the build I was tinkering with was Quasi-Lycanthrope Human Battle Dancer 4/Crusader 5/Black Blood Hunter 10. Using Able Learner, Apprentice (woodsman) and Knowledge Devotion to meet the skill reqs; and using the Battle Dancer's unarmed strike to qualify for Vile Natural Attack (although I'm not 100% sure that works by RAW?).
Other than that, it would have been a pretty bog standard Leap Attack build, with secondary focus on skills. Charisma focused to fuel AC bonus and Crusader abilities.
It really didn't make much use of the SI, to be honest...
...well done to all who got an entry in!My winning competition entries: Kinvig Arrumskor | The Great Pumpkinhead | Wynfrith d'Acker
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2016-07-19, 04:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXIX
I briefly considered a were-horned lizard who somehow got damage-dealing blood (Monster of Legend seemed the easiest way) and could spray it infinite times per round at no harm to himself. However, it'd leave me only a few levels to use in the build, so I eventually just abandoned the concept.
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2016-07-19, 06:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXIX
tried getting a Dire Weasel+Souleater to work, but failed.
Bit surprised only 2 Warshapers ... guess Vizzini was strong
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2016-07-19, 06:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXIX
EDIT: [redacted] to avoid influencing any judges.
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2016-07-19, 07:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXIX
Just out of curiosity (as I don't see any in the entries, unless I'm missing something) - would Quasilycanthrope actually satisfy the reqs for BBH?
My argument for the affirmative would be as follows:
Size and Type: The base creature's type does not change, but the creature gains the shapechanger subtype. The lycanthrope takes a few characteristics of some type of carnivorous or omnivorous creature of the animal type (referred to hereafter as the base animal).My winning competition entries: Kinvig Arrumskor | The Great Pumpkinhead | Wynfrith d'Acker
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2016-07-19, 07:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXIX
Welp, my count was spot-on, exactly nine
weirdosbuilds.
I can guess nearly half of the competitors, though. Won't that be a problem for the judges?Last edited by MisterKaws; 2016-07-19 at 08:10 AM.
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2016-07-19, 09:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXIX
Unlikely, and you'd be surprised at how many of your guesses might be wrong. Some of us will change up our submission template rather drastically every once in a while just to keep you on your toes. I've actually done it with two different submissions in the same round before. When you also add in the fact that we've shared submission templates around, it can sometimes be quite difficult to guess which entries belong to which chef.
At any rate, I'm delighted to see such remarkable variation, and to see that each one appears to be unique in its "weird" factor. Looks like plenty of delicious entries to read. Do we have any judges who have volunteered to step up? I think there was some rumbling to that effect earlier in the thread.
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2016-07-19, 11:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXIX
I don't think so. Even when I think I have identified a chef, after the reveal I find that about half the time I guessed wrong. Even though my scoring criteria is more subjective, I like to think I give everybody the benefit of the doubt.
Also, I find it helps if I just tell myself that WhamBamSam submitted all the builds. That way, there's no favoritism, right?
My best idea was a were-cheetah using wild shape, Cheetah's Speed, Drunken Master, and Roof-Jumper to charge 100x, using Death From Above for 600ish-d6 damage. Only works once per hour. This was similar to my Zahnik Bhoom build. However... it works largely without Black Blood Hunter, and I couldn't really see how the secret ingredient improved it.
Another idea involved a were-bison and some Trample tricks. But the damage was very underwhelming. Still... Stampede (Ex) might have some interesting possibilities, but I hadn't quite worked out how to manage the random direction.
In a strange break from tradition, I have started judging before the actual judging deadline expires. I do not have an ECD to be vaguely noncommittal about yet.
I don't see any herbivores... so I am disappointed. I haven't quite decided how I feel about quasilycanthropes (haven't gotten to that build yet).Last edited by Darrin; 2016-07-19 at 11:49 AM.
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2016-07-19, 12:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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I was looking at making a Fleshraker, but vizzinied myself out of it...
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2016-07-19, 12:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXIX
I kept on trying to find a way to pimp out entomothrope.
My three main contenders were
ectoplasmic vermin from ghostwalk: Made of ectoplasm. But I couldn't figure out how to use that. They aren't ghosts per se so i couldn't put ghost feats onto them. I wound up with spit venom, deadly spittle, and improved spit used to generate a 30' cone of ectoplasmic contact poison...which I couldn't figure out how to use for anything...except ghost hunting.
hoard scarab from the dragonomicon: that burrow ability is amazing
leechwalker from MM2: blood drinking ability.
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2016-07-19, 12:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXIX
I feel you. I had a couple of ideas for something like a "King of the Ettercaps" and a "Were-phase spider" type deal, but neither of them really went anywhere interesting. That Hoard Scarab idea is neat, but the whole "destroyed by any effect that would cure a disease" thing seems problematic.
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2016-07-19, 01:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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That's surprisingly difficult to squeeze in with all the other things you need for this SI and still have room left over for the SI. It looks like several chefs ran into that issue this round. It's a surprisingly strict set of entry requirements, even if you limit yourself to low RHD animals. The fact that Animal HD only give medium BAB certainly gave me fits.
The dishes look pretty great so far, although honestly it feels like this ingredient is like a fish fillet filled with bones. Even if we think we've gotten them all, one is likely to get through and lodge in the judges throat. Still, I have to applaud my fellow chefs, the creativity alone that is on display this round is pretty fantastic.
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2016-07-19, 03:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXIX
Though in exchange, we do get a lot more freedom of choice and customization with this ingredient than we would get with Risen Martyr or something like that. I think that's why there are so many entries too. I was waiting for a long time for an ingredient that had so much customization to enter the contest for my first time, and I was really upset that Legacy Champion - the one thing that triggered my creativity - came at such a bad time. At least I managed to squeeze the time this round, even though college is just as bad right now.
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2016-07-20, 01:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXIX
Tails has asked to withdraw on grounds of using 3.0 lycanthropy rather than 3.5. Personally I'm of the opinion that going to the effort of entering a build deserves feedback even if the build is illegal.
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2016-07-20, 02:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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My winning competition entries: Kinvig Arrumskor | The Great Pumpkinhead | Wynfrith d'Acker
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2016-07-20, 08:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXIX
... wait, the lycanthrope rules are significantly different between 3 and 3.5? ... how?
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2016-07-20, 08:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-07-20, 09:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXIX
Tweaked LA and same DR for natural and afflicted, from what I can see.
I agree that Tails should be able to stay.Last edited by The Viscount; 2016-07-20 at 09:50 AM.
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2016-07-20, 10:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXIX
Is it my imagination, or have folks been announcing which build isn't theirs?
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXIX
Tails still has LA +2, so it's the equivalent of an afflicted lycanthrope. So that would mean Black Blood Hunter requires 8 ranks in Control Shape, but I don't really see that as a serious flaw. (I got the gold last round with an "illegal" build. It happens.) It might make a difference if my initial scoring winds up tied with another build and I'm looking for a tie-breaker. I'd say keep the build in as-is, and I'll score it with the benefit of the doubt.
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2016-07-20, 12:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXIX
I had thought all my ideas were too close to my actual build to post, but it turns out I did have something that was unrelated and no one else did it.
Strongheart Halfling Were-Tiny Viper Pouncebarian 1/Battle Dancer 4 with Improved Natural Attack (Unarmed Strike) can take Vile Natural Attack as an Elder Evil feat at its 5th HD (ECL 7 or 8 with the 1/4 HD of the tiny viper rounding down). In fact any 5 levels of full BAB that can meet the skill requirements should work with Power Attack and Improved Natural Attack (Unarmed Strike) at 1st level and Superior Unarmed Strike at 3rd.
I couldn't really think of what to actually do with the early entry besides full attack with some poison and vile damage though, and even Afflicted Lycanthrope LA prevents it from reaching 16 BAB because Black Blood Hunter has medium BAB for some ungodly reason, so I didn't bother pursuing the idea.
I had one other trick that I considered as well, but decided to save it for a different ingredient.
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2016-07-20, 01:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXIX
LA wasn't a thing in 3.0. You just weren't supposed to play monsters.
I believe the alternate form ability worked differently under 3.0 rules. Also, the damage reduction was higher. Probably some other differences too. You can find the 3.0 version here.Rhymes with "Protracted."
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