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    Click here for the spreadsheet

    Alternately, view it as webpage.

    The original version of this spreadsheet was taken from the Encyclopedia Vinculum Draconis (and not created by me). However, I've spent way too much time improving it, and it's now expanded significantly—for example:

    • Added material from web enhancements and Dragon Magazine.
    • Sources are now cited, so you can easily find the original text. (You can find the abbreviation legend here, at the bottom of the page.)
    • Classes that are available online are now hyperlinked.
    • Psionic classes are now included.
    • Variant base classes with different spell progressions, such as the Trickster Spellthief and the Mystic Ranger, are now listed in the Base Clases sheet.
    • Now sortable and filterable by skill points, base attack bonus, class skills, good saves, and/or hit dice.
    • Includes any new proficiencies granted by the class.
    • All prerequisites are listed, so you can easily see if you qualify.
    • All additional spells granted by the class are now listed, not just domains. Spell-like abilities that mimic spells are listed as well.
    • Added columns for compatibility with the Warlock and Shadowcaster.
    • Fixed some errors in the original.
    • Added a new sheet with Pathfinder classes.
    • Added fancy alternating colors for easier readability.

    There are sheets for additive prestige classes (ones that advance other classes), standalone prestige classes (ones with their own spellcasting progressions), base classes, and racial paragon classes (also included in the additive classes sheet).

    Right-click at the top of a column to sort it by that value. You can also click the filter button to filter the sheet or use a preset filter view.

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    Nice resource!

    Edit: It would be helpful to be able to apply more than one filter at at time (e.g. When building a gish: full arcane and full BAB). But I don't know if that's possible.
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    Very nice, thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiro Quester View Post
    Edit: It would be helpful to be able to apply more than one filter at at time (e.g. When building a gish: full arcane and full BAB). But I don't know if that's possible.
    It is possible—you can see that some of the preset filters do it. You just highlight multiple columns before clicking the filter button.

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    Updated: Now includes a sheet with Pathfinder classes (Paizo only).

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    Phew! Just finished a major update. The sheet now includes class skills, hit dice, saving throws, and any new proficiencies offered by the class. Here's an example of what a class's row looks like now:
    Additive PrC Source Min. Entry Spells Per Day L1 L2 L3 L4 L5 L6 L7 L8 L9 L10 L11 L12 L13 L14 L15 Additional Spell List Skills BAB HD Fort Ref Will Proficencies Warlock Shadowcaster Spell Req. BAB Req. Alignment Skill Req. Feat Req. Other Req. Notes Appraise Autohypnosis Balance Bluff Climb Concentration Craft Decipher Script Diplomacy Disable Device Disguise Escape Artist Forgery Gather Information Handle Animal Heal Hide Intimidate Jump K (arc) K (arch/eng) K (dung) K (geo) K (hist) K (local) K (nat) K (nob/roy) K (relig) K (planes) K (psi) Listen Move Silently Open Lock Perform Profession Psicraft Ride Search Sense Motive Sleight of Hand Speak Language Spellcraft Spot Survival Swim Tumble UMD UPD Use Rope
    Fist of Raziel BE 6 Divine - 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 X X X X X - 2 1 d10 + - - Simple and martial weapons, all armor, shields (except tower shields) Never Never Divine Favor 6 LG Diplomacy 5, Know (relig) 5 Power Attack, Servant of the Heavens - x x x x x x x x

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    This is an exceptional resource! Thank you for putting this together and maintaining it.

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    The column for additional spells now makes note of spell-like abilities that mimic spells. This is effectively an expansion of your spell list, so it should be useful information for spellcasters looking for more versatility.

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    This seems quite nice, thank you.

    I had a few questions/comments for items unclear to me:
    1. For the Sorcerer spell list, how are you accounting for Wu-Jen access?
    2. For the Spellcaster list, how are you accounting for Sorcerer-only spells?
    3. For the Contemplative, there is the weirdo clause at the end of their spellcasting which makes them both an additive and a standalone class---they are standalone when you enter with ability to cast a divine spell yet not a member of a divine spellcasting class (somehow...).
    ExFighter: Immunity to Wizard
    Stutter Caster: Eliminate all spell defenses (SR, Save, AC).
    The Clockwork Wizard: All spells in no time.
    Piercing Immunities: Uncounterable Counters.
    Planar Soldiers of Mystra: Invincibility from planar traits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthrowhale View Post
    This seems quite nice, thank you.

    I had a few questions/comments for items unclear to me:
    1. For the Sorcerer spell list, how are you accounting for Wu-Jen access?
    2. For the Spellcaster list, how are you accounting for Sorcerer-only spells?
    3. For the Contemplative, there is the weirdo clause at the end of their spellcasting which makes them both an additive and a standalone class---they are standalone when you enter with ability to cast a divine spell yet not a member of a divine spellcasting class (somehow...).
    1. That's a variant from Oriental Adventures, page 30.
    2. I believe that's an error in the sheet. Fixed it.
    3. This can happen with racial spellcasting. I added a note.

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    I remember this in the EVD. Nice additions!

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    Another minor correction I believe: Incantatrix advances Arcane only.
    ExFighter: Immunity to Wizard
    Stutter Caster: Eliminate all spell defenses (SR, Save, AC).
    The Clockwork Wizard: All spells in no time.
    Piercing Immunities: Uncounterable Counters.
    Planar Soldiers of Mystra: Invincibility from planar traits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthrowhale View Post
    [*]For the Contemplative, there is the weirdo clause at the end of their spellcasting which makes them both an additive and a standalone class---they are standalone when you enter with ability to cast a divine spell yet not a member of a divine spellcasting class (somehow...).[/LIST]
    Monster of Legend template springs to mind. As well as various other creatures with innate Cleric or Druid casting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthrowhale View Post
    Another minor correction I believe: Incantatrix advances Arcane only.
    I bet it got mixed up with the 3.0 version. Fixed it.

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    There's a more structural issue that you might want to address although it may require some work.

    Most of the 'Any' classes actually only advance spellcasting (as opposed to psionics) with the exceptions of Uncanny Trickster and Legacy Champion. Consequently, it's hard to select just the psionics-advancing classes. If Uncanny Trickster and Legacy Champion where listed as 'Any' while every other 'Any' entry changed to something like 'spells' this problem would go away. Is there a way to do a replace everywhere operation?
    ExFighter: Immunity to Wizard
    Stutter Caster: Eliminate all spell defenses (SR, Save, AC).
    The Clockwork Wizard: All spells in no time.
    Piercing Immunities: Uncounterable Counters.
    Planar Soldiers of Mystra: Invincibility from planar traits.
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    I'll just switch those two to "Everything" and add them to the Psionics filter. That should do the trick. I'm pretty sure they're the only ones.

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    So good. Very clear and well presented. A+ will use in future.

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    The Divine Crusader is a prepared class, not a spontaneous class.
    ExFighter: Immunity to Wizard
    Stutter Caster: Eliminate all spell defenses (SR, Save, AC).
    The Clockwork Wizard: All spells in no time.
    Piercing Immunities: Uncounterable Counters.
    Planar Soldiers of Mystra: Invincibility from planar traits.
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    Tainted Spellcaster has a good Will save rather than a good Fort save.
    ExFighter: Immunity to Wizard
    Stutter Caster: Eliminate all spell defenses (SR, Save, AC).
    The Clockwork Wizard: All spells in no time.
    Piercing Immunities: Uncounterable Counters.
    Planar Soldiers of Mystra: Invincibility from planar traits.
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    Quick question.
    I've been using Vinculum Draconis for a while, and I've noted there (and on your work) that the minimun entry are, if I'm not mistaken, allways one level lower for every class that requieres skill points.

    Example: Prophet of Erathaol list a minimun entry level of 7 (ECL 7), but has a prer. of Spellcraft -10 ranks.

    Quote Originally Posted by SRD - Skill Summary
    The maximum rank in a class skill is the character’s level + 3.
    Shouldn't that class have a minimun entry level of 8?

    Quote Originally Posted by Prestige Classes
    Unlike the basic classes, characters must meet Requirements before they can take their first level of a prestige class. The rules for level advancement apply to this system, meaning the first step of advancement is always choosing a class. If a character does not meet the Requirements for a prestige class before that first step, that character cannot take the first level of that prestige class.
    Edit: assuming no tricks. duh.
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    Just a matter of convention. It indicates the level you are before you take your first level of the prestige class, not after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troacctid View Post
    Just a matter of convention. It indicates the level you are before you take your first level of the prestige class, not after.
    Little observation, then. Paragnostic Apostle should say ECL1 (minimun entry), since the touchstone feat allows inmediate entry. Becoming a member of the Paragnostic Assembly requires just 3 ranges on any two Kn skills (also possible at 1st level).

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    You can get the SLA at 1st, but not the 5 ranks in the required skills.

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    You are right, indeed. I missed that.

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    Arcane Hierophant should be 7, not 6. A Wiz3/Drd3 only has BAB +3 and doesn't qualify (even with fractional BAB, it falls just short of +4). Getting in at 6 requires some sort of early-entry cheese*.

    *As an aside, even if you have such cheese (specifically, some way to get 2nd-level arcane spells with 1 level of Sor/Wiz), getting into Arcane Hierophant at 6 with Arc2/Drd4 isn't necessarily the best use of it. You're probably better off either cutting the Arc down to 1 with Arc1/Drd6 or keeping up casting better with Arc1/Drd3/MT4.
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    I double checked it and it looks like the 3/3 split does work if you use death master as the arcane class instead of wizard. Death master is the only medium BAB base class that gets 2nd level arcane spells at level 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troacctid View Post
    I double checked it and it looks like the 3/3 split does work if you use death master as the arcane class instead of wizard. Death master is the only medium BAB base class that gets 2nd level arcane spells at level 3.
    That does work in the theoretical sense, but I think it should at the very least have a note about this, because:

    A) Death Master's significantly further afield than Arcane Hierophant itself,

    B) I'm not aware of any way to reconcile Death Master's class features with Druid's code of conduct*. As such, such a character borders on unplayable in an actual game.

    *Lords of Madness, for instance, has Aberration Wild Shape's flavour text suggesting some druids are okay with aberrations, but using undead as a druid is literally Blighter territory.
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    Athasian Dragon from Dragon #339 is missing. Not sure if this is intentional due to being Dark Sun or an oversight.

    The epic continuations of the DMG prestige classes are also missing. While none of the continuations in the ELH itself give true casting advancement, the 3.5 update booklet alters Loremaster to advance casting properly and provides epic progressions for Arcane Trickster, Eldritch Knight, Mystic Theurge and Red Wizard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by magic9mushroom View Post
    That does work in the theoretical sense, but I think it should at the very least have a note about this, because:

    A) Death Master's significantly further afield than Arcane Hierophant itself,

    B) I'm not aware of any way to reconcile Death Master's class features with Druid's code of conduct*. As such, such a character borders on unplayable in an actual game.

    *Lords of Madness, for instance, has Aberration Wild Shape's flavour text suggesting some druids are okay with aberrations, but using undead as a druid is literally Blighter territory.
    Sure. Done.

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    Athasian Dragon from Dragon #339 is missing. Not sure if this is intentional due to being Dark Sun or an oversight.
    Added.

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    The epic continuations of the DMG prestige classes are also missing. While none of the continuations in the ELH itself give true casting advancement, the 3.5 update booklet alters Loremaster to advance casting properly and provides epic progressions for Arcane Trickster, Eldritch Knight, Mystic Theurge and Red Wizard.
    Ehhhh they don't really fit into the model of all the other prestige classes. I'm just going to leave them out.

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    I salute you, person with far too much free time.

    Great list. Also, I can't open the Encyclopedia thing you linked to. Is that just me?

    It's at times like this that I feel like I should have something to say, but... It's good. Nothing to criticize, nothing to add, (at least not that I can think of). So yeah, I'm just gonna trail of awkwardly here...

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