Support the GITP forums on Patreon
Help support GITP's forums (and ongoing server maintenance) via Patreon
Results 1 to 23 of 23
  1. - Top - End - #1
    Colossus in the Playground
     
    JNAProductions's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Avatar By Linklele!

    Default Botanist-A Class

    Hit Points-1d10 Per Botanist level

    Proficiencies
    Armor-None
    Weapons-Simple Weapons
    Tools-Gardener's Tools
    Saves-Constitution, Intelligence
    Skills-Choose two from Athletics, Acrobatics, Stealth, Arcana, History, Investigation, Religion, Animal Handling, Insight, Medicine, Perception, and Survival

    Level Feature
    1 Natural Defense, Botany
    2 Botanical Study
    3 Spellcasting
    4 Ability Score Improvement
    5 Extra Attack
    6 Botanical Study
    7 -
    8 Ability Score Improvement
    9 Plantlike Form
    10 Botanical Study
    11 Lumbering Strike
    12 Ability Score Improvement
    13 -
    14 Botanical Study
    15 Apotheosis
    16 Ability Score Improvement
    17 Improved Photosynthesis
    18 Botanical Study
    19 Ability Score Improvement
    20 Botanical Study

    Natural Defense-At level one, plants have begun to infuse your body, giving you a hard, barklike skin. You have the option of treating your AC as 10+Dexterity Modifier+Intelligence Modifier.

    Botany-Beginning at level one, you learn various botanical knacks. These work similarly to a Warlock's Invocations. You gain one at levels 1, 5, 9, 13, and 17. In addition, you gain proficiency in the Nature skill.

    Botanical Study-At level two, you must select your path-that of Trees, Flowers, or Fungi.

    Spellcasting-At level three, you gain spellcasting. Spells known are drawn from the Botanist spell list, but in all other respects is the same as Eldritch Knight spellcasting.

    Spoiler: Spell List
    Show
    Cantrips
    Druidcraft
    Guidance
    Mending
    Resistance
    Shillegah
    Thorn Whip
    Light

    1st Level
    Animal/Plant Friendship
    Create Or Destroy Water
    Cure Wounds
    Detect Magic
    Detect Poison and Disease
    Entangle
    Fog Cloud
    Goodberry
    Healing Word
    Longstrider
    Purify Food and Drink
    Speak with Animals and Plants

    2nd Level
    Animal/Plant Messenger
    Barkskin
    Beast/Plant Sense
    Gust of Wind
    Heat Metal
    Lesser Restoration
    Locate Animals or Plants
    Pass Without Trace
    Spike Growth

    3rd Level
    Daylight
    Meld Into Stone/Wood
    Plant Growth
    Protection From Energy
    Speak With Plants
    Water Breathing

    4th Level
    Blight
    Confusion
    Control Water
    Freedom of Movement
    Grasping Vine
    Ice Storm
    Polymorph


    Plantlike Form-At level nine, your body becomes even more infused with plants. You no longer require food, only sunlight, water, and soil (though you can still eat and gain normal benefits from doing so). In addition, you can hold your breath for ten times longer.

    Lumbering Strike-At level 11, your strikes have all the weight of a massive tree. You may double your damage dice when using a weapon attack.

    Apotheosis-At level 15, you become a plant entirely. You gain advantage on saves against any mental effects, though you have disadvantage on saves against any fire based effect. In addition, when immobile, you can (over the course of a minute) take the form of your chosen plant, becoming indistinguishable from it.

    Improved Photosynthesis-At level 17, when in sunlight (or other bright light, such as from a Daylight spell) and when you have at least 1 HP, you gain regeneration equal to 5+your Intelligence modifier.

    Botanical Studies

    Flowers

    Lying Petals-You gain proficiency in Deception at level 2 when you choose this Study. (If you already have Deception proficiency, gain proficiency in another skill of your choice.)

    Deceptive Form-You may cast Disguise Self at-will starting at level 6. This is not considered a magical effect-your form actually changes.

    Pollen Of Power-You may, at level 10, cast Dominate Person once per long rest, and Charm Person once per short rest.

    True Lies-At level 18, you may double your proficiency bonus in Deception.

    A Thousand Petals-At level 20, you may use your action to become petals on the breeze once per long rest. This lasts for one minute (or until your concentration is broken). You gain a fly speed of 50', with the ability to hover. You may pass through opponents squares without provoking opportunity attacks, and have resistance to all bludgeoning, piercing, and slashing damage. In addition, if you pass through someone's space, you may deal 2d6+Dexterity modifier slashing damage to them, or half on a successful Dexterity save against your spell DC. This damage can only occur once per opponent per turn.

    Pine Trees

    Cold Weather Plant-At level 2, you gain resistance to cold damage.

    Evergreen-At level 6, you are able to endure even the harshest weather while staying green and vibrant. You may survive in temperatures of as low as -20 degrees Celsius without any harm.

    Tough Bark-At level 10, your bark becomes thicker than ever, increasing your AC by 1 when using your Natural Defense.

    Towering Pine-At level 18, you may cast the Enlarge spell at-will, with a duration of Concentration. This is not a magical effect.

    Capstone For Pines-Hell if I know. Some advice greatly appreciated.

    Eucalyptus Trees

    Hot Weather Plant-At level 2, you gain resistance to fire damage.

    Burn! All Will Burn!-At level 6, as an action, you may light yourself on fire for one minute. You take one point of damage per round while on fire, but your melee attacks deal an extra 1d6 fire damage, and anyone grappling you (or otherwise near to you) takes 2d6 fire damage when they initiate the grapple and at the start of each of their turns.

    Ablative Bark-At level 10, your bark becomes brittle and ablative. You may, once per short rest, cast Hellish Rebuke at third level as your bark explosively flies off.

    Burn Brighter-At level 18, your Burn! damage increases to d10s.

    Eucalyptus Nova-At level 20, you may, once per long rest as a bonus action, initiate a nova. This is similar to Burn! except it deals twice the damage to both you, anyone you strike, and anyone grappling you.

    Acacia Trees

    Thorns-You may, once per short rest, cast Armor Of Agathys as a first level spell at level 2. This does not deal cold damage-it instead deals piercing damage. The spell increases to second level at level 9 and third level at level 16.

    Swarming Ants-You may, at level 6, summon four Swarms of Ants once per long rest. They appear from nearby areas, or, if you know you will be venturing into an area inhospitable to ants, you may create a terrarium for them, costing 10 GP, and carry it with you.

    Poisonous Bark-At level 10, you can fill yourself with poison in response to danger. As a reaction, you may inflict the Poisoned condition on yourself (lasting till the end of your next turn) but any enemy that strikes you in melee takes 1d8 poison damage and must make a Constitution save against your Spell Save DC or be poisoned until the end of their next turn.

    Improved Tolerance Threshold-At level 18, you grow resistant to your own poisons. You may now make a Constitution save against your own Spell Save DC when using Poisonous Bark.

    Ants And Poison And Thorns-You may, once per long rest at level 20, bring all your abilities together in one massive retaliation. As a reaction to taking melee damage, you may cast Armor Of Agathys (with piercing damage instead of cold) at fifth level, poison your enemy for one minute (with a new saving throw allowed at the end of each of their turns), and create six swarms of ants in their space, acting immediately after them in the initiative count.

    Spoiler: Old Subclasses
    Show
    Spoiler: Trees
    Show
    Trees

    Improved Bark-At level 2, you gain a +1 bonus to AC when using your Natural Defense.

    Large Form-At level 6, you may choose to be treated as Large whenever you wish. You, however, only occupy a 5X5 space even when being treated as Large.

    Massive Form-At level 10, you may actually become Large. As an action, you may put yourself under the effects of an Enlarge spell, though the duration is simply Concentration.

    Barkier Bark-At level 14, you gain a further +1 bonus to AC when using your Natural Defense.

    Ironwood-At level 18, you gain resistance to bludgeoning, piercing, and slashing damage from nonmagical sources.

    Forest-At level 20, you may use your action to become a forest. You gain the effects of an Enlarge spell, and summon three tree duplicates of yourself, each of which acts independently. The Enlarge spell, further, lasts through your first three failed Concentration checks, though each failed one causes one tree to become non-sentient and simply root where it is. After your fourth failed Concentration check (or one minute passes) all trees are nonmagical and the Enlarge spell wears off. This can be done once per long rest.


    Spoiler: Flowers
    Show
    Flowers

    Bend In The Breeze-You are lithe and flexible. Gain proficiency in Acrobatics at level 2. (If you already have proficiency, gain proficiency in another skill of your choice.)

    Small Form-You may be treated as one size category smaller if it ever benefits you, starting at level 6.

    Tiny Form-At level 10, you may actually become one size smaller. As an action, you may put yourself under the effects of a Reduce spell, though the duration is simply Concentration.

    Bendier In The Breeze-At level 14, your form becomes even more flexible. Your proficiency bonus for Acrobatics is now doubled.

    Nimble-At level 18, you gain proficiency in Dexterity saving throws.

    A Thousand Petals-At level 20, you may use your action to become petals on the breeze once per long rest. This lasts for one minute (or until your concentration is broken). You gain a fly speed of 50', with the ability to hover. You may pass through opponents squares without provoking opportunity attacks, and have resistance to all bludgeoning, piercing, and slashing damage. In addition, if you pass through someone's space, you may deal 2d6+Dexterity modifier slashing damage to them, or half on a successful Dexterity save against your spell DC. This damage can only occur once per opponent per turn.


    Spoiler: Fungi
    Show
    Fungi

    Spongy Body-At level 2, you gain 2 extra hit points, and you gain 1 more hit point at every level you take in this class.

    Rooting Down-At level 6, you gain the ability to put down roots as an action. In order to move you from this spot, an enemy must succeed on a strength saving throw against your spell save DC (for instance, if a foe were to shove you, they would first have to succeed on the Athletics check, then succeed against your spell saving throw DC). In addition, while rooted, your move speed is halved, but you are under the effects of a Spider Climb spell.

    Improved Roots-At level 10, your roots provide better sustenance for you, and more mobility. Your speed is now no longer reduced when rooted, and you regain one hit point a minute while rooted.

    Resilient Body-At level 14, you gain 14 extra hit points, and you gain 1 more hit point at every level you take in this class.

    Hard To Kill-At level 18, you gain resistance to any two damage types of your choosing. You may change these during a short rest.

    Fungal Spores-At level 20, you may, once per long rest, release fungal spores in a radius of 60' that last for one minute. These spores provide 1/2 cover (3/4ths cover for you) and will attempt to root down in enemies. Any enemy in the radius takes 5d6 poison and slashing (this is only resisted if they resist both poison AND slashing damage) damage at the start of each of their turns, or half on a successful saving throw. Each successful save reduces the damage taken by 1d6, and the effect goes away when the damage reaches 0d6. This takes effect either when activated or when an enemy first enters the area.


    Spoiler: Knacks
    Show
    Botanical Knacks

    Awaken Plants Requires 17th level-You may, once per week, cast Awaken on a plant with no material component cost.

    Master Of Combat-You gain a single Fighting Style of your choice. This may only be taken once.

    Glintweed-You may, given an action and a small amount of dirt or compost, cause a Glintweed to grow. This sheds bright light in a 15' radius, and dim light for 15' beyond. The plant lasts as normal if fed and watered, and will last for one day when picked.

    Poisonous Blows-Requires 13th level-You gain a poisonous touch. YOur unarmed strikes now deal 1 bludgeoning plus 1d8 poison damage, and if they hit, you may, once per turn, inflict the poisoned condition on the foe hit. The foe must make a Constitution save with a DC equal to your spell DC, or be poisoned for one minute. It may repeat the save at the start of each of its turns.

    Growing Corpses-Requires 5th level-You may, once per day, cast Revivify, using part of your own body as the material component. When casting it in this way, you take damage equal to half the max HP of whoever you are reviving.

    Great Shillegah-You learn the Shillegah cantrip. If you already know it, learn a new cantrip from the Botanist spell list. When casting Shillegah, it now causes the weapon to be 1d10 (2d6 Versatile).

    Greater Whallop-Requires Great Shillegah and level 9 or higher-When you cast Shillegah, you may now add both the normal damage modifier and your spellcasting modifier.





    Not sure what to do for Botanical knacks or the other two archetypes. Anyway, offer some suggestions, and let me know if anything seems broken.
    Last edited by JNAProductions; 2017-01-02 at 08:33 PM.
    I have a LOT of Homebrew!

    Spoiler: Former Avatars
    Show
    Spoiler: Avatar (Not In Use) By Professor Gnoll!
    Show


    Spoiler: Avatar (Not In Use) By Cdr. Fallout!
    Show

  2. - Top - End - #2
    Troll in the Playground
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    turkey
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Botanist-A Class

    Pixies, space marines and know jnaprofuction presents poison ivy from dc universe as class good job mate

  3. - Top - End - #3
    Bugbear in the Playground
     
    DrowGuy

    Join Date
    Mar 2013

    Default Re: Botanist-A Class

    I got stuck the same way building my Arithmatist class (ended up just not using Warlock style because...complex). You do need to post the Botanist spell list.

    As for what Knacks and the other archetypes, look at the Monster Manual and browse around other homebrew. Flowers could get some dryad-style tricks and maybe ally support abilities, Myconoid (Why not Fungi? Fits your tense better) could crib from the myconids, other mushrooms, and other things that spore (maybe have the most direct damage/debuffs?).
    Cookie Count: One

    Quote Originally Posted by digiman619 View Post
    Spoiler: True Facts
    Show

  4. - Top - End - #4
    Colossus in the Playground
     
    JNAProductions's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Avatar By Linklele!

    Default Re: Botanist-A Class

    Okay. Made one (1) knack, and added a spell list.
    I have a LOT of Homebrew!

    Spoiler: Former Avatars
    Show
    Spoiler: Avatar (Not In Use) By Professor Gnoll!
    Show


    Spoiler: Avatar (Not In Use) By Cdr. Fallout!
    Show

  5. - Top - End - #5
    Halfling in the Playground
     
    MonkGuy

    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Botanist-A Class

    Interesting concept. Poison Ivy indeed. I see elves and gnomes jumping into this class.

    Apotheosis: Reduced movement speed in cold weather / some type of effect from cold damage

    Flowers: some type of charisma bonus, flowers have pollen, so something to do with allergies? if only for flavor

    Myconoid: some type of constitution bonus., ability that produces an Illusion similar to the hallucinatory terrain, myconids have some telepathy/empathy with their spores, so there's that.

    Spellcasting: add hallucinatory terrain to the spell list

    Have you considered a Fey connection of sorts? Dryads and are sentient trees more or less.

    Advantages depending on terrain? When you're in a cave system/the Underdark, a myconoid has advantage on Stealth?

    Advantages on dealing with plant creatures such as treants?
    Last edited by ravencroft0; 2016-07-09 at 10:08 PM.

  6. - Top - End - #6
    Dwarf in the Playground
     
    Flumph

    Join Date
    Jun 2016

    Default Re: Botanist-A Class

    Quote Originally Posted by khadgar567 View Post
    Pixies, space marines and know jnaprofuction presents poison ivy from dc universe as class good job mate
    This is exactly what I thought when I saw this class. :P Good job.
    I am. -Starsnuffer

  7. - Top - End - #7
    Colossus in the Playground
     
    JNAProductions's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Avatar By Linklele!

    Default Re: Botanist-A Class

    Added some more to the class.
    I have a LOT of Homebrew!

    Spoiler: Former Avatars
    Show
    Spoiler: Avatar (Not In Use) By Professor Gnoll!
    Show


    Spoiler: Avatar (Not In Use) By Cdr. Fallout!
    Show

  8. - Top - End - #8
    Troll in the Playground
     
    Ziegander's Avatar

    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Pabrygg Keep
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Botanist-A Class

    This is really intriguing, JNAP. Can we get a little of your design/balance philosophy on this one? EK casting but with limited (but strong) core class features and only one Extra Attack. Solid hit points, with invocations like a Warlock. I would say since you don't have mystic arcanums or 5th level spells, you'd be justified in adding substantive class features at level 7 and 13.
    Homebrew


    Other Stuff
    Spoiler
    Show
    Special Thanks: Kymme! You and your awesome avatarist skills have made me a Lore Warden in addition to King of Fighter Fixes!

  9. - Top - End - #9
    Colossus in the Playground
     
    JNAProductions's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Avatar By Linklele!

    Default Re: Botanist-A Class

    I have a design/balance philosophy? That's news to me.

    I just kinda wing it, run a few numbers sometimes, and compare it to PHB classes. I honestly wish I had a more methodical way of doing it, so I could teach other people, but I don't.

    Any ideas what sorts of features would be worth adding?
    I have a LOT of Homebrew!

    Spoiler: Former Avatars
    Show
    Spoiler: Avatar (Not In Use) By Professor Gnoll!
    Show


    Spoiler: Avatar (Not In Use) By Cdr. Fallout!
    Show

  10. - Top - End - #10
    Bugbear in the Playground
     
    PirateCaptain

    Join Date
    Aug 2006

    Default Re: Botanist-A Class

    I am confused about how a class gets to have a knack that allows ability score bonus damage at will like this at such a low level (Warlock gives at 12th with pact weapon only).

    I would also think one would have like the path have the AC and not have it be something based off of a stat like Barbarians and Monks (INT bonus to AC makes no sense whatsoever). Myconids have base AC 12 that could improve with level.

    Likewise bonus hit points - d10 hit dice? Bonus hit points Knack...sorcerer does 1 point per but then 14?!?

    I think like Eldritch Knight or Arcane Trickster the spell casting should be a path instead of a feature as it appears here.

    The super shillelagh should not be a constant feature, either - paladins need to channel divinity and fuel smites with spells; monks use ki and the like.


    I like the concept, but there is lots of brokenness in this class as is.
    Characters:
    Spoiler
    Show

    Keishara Embermist in A World Bound Together
    Bree Yark in Ages Past
    Jax in Graettin's Wake
    Dweomer
    Grimm Bloodaxe
    Bree Yark in Barrowmaze Grp 2
    Stelios
    Symballine
    Dra'ziw
    Dirge Darksong
    Justin Tyme

  11. - Top - End - #11
    Colossus in the Playground
     
    JNAProductions's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Avatar By Linklele!

    Default Re: Botanist-A Class

    Quote Originally Posted by Darius View Post
    I am confused about how a class gets to have a knack that allows ability score bonus damage at will like this at such a low level (Warlock gives at 12th with pact weapon only).

    I would also think one would have like the path have the AC and not have it be something based off of a stat like Barbarians and Monks (INT bonus to AC makes no sense whatsoever). Myconids have base AC 12 that could improve with level.

    Likewise bonus hit points - d10 hit dice? Bonus hit points Knack...sorcerer does 1 point per but then 14?!?

    I think like Eldritch Knight or Arcane Trickster the spell casting should be a path instead of a feature as it appears here.

    The super shillelagh should not be a constant feature, either - paladins need to channel divinity and fuel smites with spells; monks use ki and the like.


    I like the concept, but there is lots of brokenness in this class as is.
    Earliest it can be gotten is level 5. Admittedly, it's pretty nice, but is Int, which really only has synergy with Wizard, whereas Charisma has synergy with a poopton more. I might add a level 9 minimum to Greater Whallop, though.

    There is no knack that grants extra HP-only archetypes. And it grants 14, not per level, but when you get the feature, since you've got 14 levels in the class when you get it. It's 1 extra HP per level.

    Why do you think casting should not be a core feature?

    And math time! At level 9 (which is probably what I'll make the minimum for Greater Whallop) a Monk is doing around 3d6+15 damage per turn, assuming all hits. That's 25.5 damage.

    A Botanist who dedicated themselves to melee DPR is doing 4d6+4 (Dueling)+10 (Intelligence)+4 (Strength) for 32 points of damage on average, assuming all hits. (34 if you manage to start with a 16 in Strength, or a 15 in Strength and a 17 in Intelligence.) That's a significant increase over a monk, true-but the monk has a lot going for it a Botanist lacks, and the Botanist spent three class features exclusively on melee damage. (For instance, a Monk can flurry 9 times per short rest at this point, which ups its DPR by 8.5 each time they do it-for 35 total, handily outstripping the Botanist.)
    I have a LOT of Homebrew!

    Spoiler: Former Avatars
    Show
    Spoiler: Avatar (Not In Use) By Professor Gnoll!
    Show


    Spoiler: Avatar (Not In Use) By Cdr. Fallout!
    Show

  12. - Top - End - #12
    Titan in the Playground
     
    AvatarVecna's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jan 2014

    Default Re: Botanist-A Class

    Improved Photosynthesis comes online earlier than the Champion's similar ability, and has the "half health" maximum nor the "1 HP" minimum that ability possesses, and I don't feel that being in sunlight is enough of a limiter to warrant this, but I haven't actually run the numbers.

    I feel like Improved Bark and Barkier Bark should be replaced with something other than AC bumps, given how useful Natural Defense is. Perhaps bonus hit points, instead? It's not terrible, but I feel that bumping AC further is pushing a bit on bounded accuracy. Hmm...maybe additional damage resistances?

    I feel that Ironwood could apply to magical weapon damage as well, but it's not a huge issue I guess.

    ...is Forest just something you can do, at will? Considering how much it boosts the action economy, and considering the other Botanist capstones, I would think that it was meant to be once per long rest, but I don't see 'long rest' anywhere in that ability description.

    Thousand Petals it has some potential abuse in that it's damage not linked to an action, meaning that unless your attack routine is better than 5 Petal Passes, you're probably better off Dashing instead of attacking, and just spiraling though an opponent's square over and over. While no individual damage is really that bad, this means you're potentially getting it 20 times in a round (potentially 40d6+100, un-Hasted). Not sure how to solve this without nerfing it into uselessness, though...

    Fungal Spores needs to be more clear about what happens. Is it an instananeous effect that affects the enemies that were within 60' when you used it, or is it an ongoing effect that affects only enemies currently within it, or is it an ongoing effect that affects enemies that are within it at any point during the duration, at which point they have to make saves until they either completely reduce the damage, or die? Regardless, it seems like a fine enough friendly blasting ability.

    The existing Knacks seems fine, but I'd prefer to see more of them.


    Currently Recruiting: Dungeons and Doppelgängers.

    Avatar by AsteriskAmp

  13. - Top - End - #13
    Colossus in the Playground
     
    JNAProductions's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Avatar By Linklele!

    Default Re: Botanist-A Class

    Quote Originally Posted by AvatarVecna View Post
    Improved Photosynthesis comes online earlier than the Champion's similar ability, and has the "half health" maximum nor the "1 HP" minimum that ability possesses, and I don't feel that being in sunlight is enough of a limiter to warrant this, but I haven't actually run the numbers.

    I feel like Improved Bark and Barkier Bark should be replaced with something other than AC bumps, given how useful Natural Defense is. Perhaps bonus hit points, instead? It's not terrible, but I feel that bumping AC further is pushing a bit on bounded accuracy. Hmm...maybe additional damage resistances?

    I feel that Ironwood could apply to magical weapon damage as well, but it's not a huge issue I guess.

    ...is Forest just something you can do, at will? Considering how much it boosts the action economy, and considering the other Botanist capstones, I would think that it was meant to be once per long rest, but I don't see 'long rest' anywhere in that ability description.

    Thousand Petals it has some potential abuse in that it's damage not linked to an action, meaning that unless your attack routine is better than 5 Petal Passes, you're probably better off Dashing instead of attacking, and just spiraling though an opponent's square over and over. While no individual damage is really that bad, this means you're potentially getting it 20 times in a round (potentially 40d6+100, un-Hasted). Not sure how to solve this without nerfing it into uselessness, though...

    Fungal Spores needs to be more clear about what happens. Is it an instananeous effect that affects the enemies that were within 60' when you used it, or is it an ongoing effect that affects only enemies currently within it, or is it an ongoing effect that affects enemies that are within it at any point during the duration, at which point they have to make saves until they either completely reduce the damage, or die? Regardless, it seems like a fine enough friendly blasting ability.

    The existing Knacks seems fine, but I'd prefer to see more of them.
    Made a few edits. Any ideas for new knacks?
    I have a LOT of Homebrew!

    Spoiler: Former Avatars
    Show
    Spoiler: Avatar (Not In Use) By Professor Gnoll!
    Show


    Spoiler: Avatar (Not In Use) By Cdr. Fallout!
    Show

  14. - Top - End - #14
    Titan in the Playground
     
    AvatarVecna's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jan 2014

    Default Re: Botanist-A Class

    Quote Originally Posted by JNAProductions View Post
    Made a few edits. Any ideas for new knacks?
    Sadly not, at least as far as mechanics go. Perhaps something related to vines?


    Currently Recruiting: Dungeons and Doppelgängers.

    Avatar by AsteriskAmp

  15. - Top - End - #15
    Troll in the Playground
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    turkey
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Botanist-A Class

    Quote Originally Posted by AvatarVecna View Post
    Sadly not, at least as far as mechanics go. Perhaps something related to vines?
    and charm via inhaled poison.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Shadow View Post
    Threads are like cats. They go where they want, and never listen to what you want them to do.


  16. - Top - End - #16
    Bugbear in the Playground
     
    PirateCaptain

    Join Date
    Aug 2006

    Default Re: Botanist-A Class

    The AC part is just silly IMHO - makes no sense (barb CON does; monk WIS does...plants/leaves fusing based off of INT? I think someone is smoking some plants when coming up with that one.). Like sorcerer, it should be a set AC like draconic sorcerer based on what you wrote since it sounds more like a natural armor class feature. As character levels up, AC could increase in the path as listed.

    Monk math makes no sense to use as a comparison because they do not have spells and some of the other crazy knacks the botanist does. You should compare to bladelock damage output instead. The monk you compared to doesn't even come close level to level and can't spam because Ki is limited. Don't even get me started on the bonus at 9th and double damage at level 11. I still think these should have seed powers or something like that of Ki or powered by spell levels or something instead of at will.

    So, a first level character that is going to have one stat (INT) be their prime stat would get an additional AC bonus, take super shillelagh to spam using INT as stat (so STR, WIS, CHA are all dump stats) and then have it do 2d6 to boot? Sign me up! I get a d10 for hit dice, too? Bonus!

    I get that you said you put all of your eggs in one basket, but who wouldn't? "No thank you DM, I don't want to have the beatstick of doom at 1st level...instead I would rather frollic around with my glimmering glintweed so that the monsters can find me in the dark and have a salad first or leave it on the plate like parsley."

    How would a planter of trees have Athletics, Acrobatics, Stealth, Arcana, History, Investigation, Religion, Animal Handling, Insight, Medicine, Perception, and Survival to choose from (without Nature, I might add) when druids have only Arcana, Animal Handling, Insight, Medicine, Nature, Perception, Religion, and Survival? Heck, even Rangers don't have Acrobatics.

    Spells speak for themselves as I see it - Warlock is limited, eldritch knight/arcane trickster was my comparison - they are limited in number/type available as well; they do not have the same fighter or rogue abilities. One would think like the druid circles, you would have selection like that of EK - abjuration/evocation; Paladin/Ranger are not full casters and their spell lists are not as juicy, either.

    I think the druid is already out there, and it should remain so - this class is over powered and unlike druid, it will be a one stick pony.
    Characters:
    Spoiler
    Show

    Keishara Embermist in A World Bound Together
    Bree Yark in Ages Past
    Jax in Graettin's Wake
    Dweomer
    Grimm Bloodaxe
    Bree Yark in Barrowmaze Grp 2
    Stelios
    Symballine
    Dra'ziw
    Dirge Darksong
    Justin Tyme

  17. - Top - End - #17
    Colossus in the Playground
     
    JNAProductions's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Avatar By Linklele!

    Default Re: Botanist-A Class

    Quote Originally Posted by Darius View Post
    -Snip-
    I would appreciate you being a little bit more polite, thank you.

    And Monks lack spells, sure. They also have Flurry of Blows, Patient Defense, Stunning Strike, Step of the Wind, their archetype abilities... Hell, a Four Elements Monk is basically a 1/3rd caster in their own right.

    Also note, it only doubles weapon damage, not stat damage. So you're adding, at most, 7 damage. Not a small number, sure-but not doubling damage.

    Strength cannot be a dump stat if you want to max damage-Greater Whallop is useless with a 10 in Strength, and actively detrimental with an 8. Wisdom is a very important save, so it's no more of a dump stat than it is for a Fighter. Speaking of Fighters, guess who else can raise AC, to-hit, and damage by one stat? Dex Figthers. And while they might have a lower damage die (2.5 less damage per attack, on average), they can do it from 150' away with a longbow, with a +2 bonus to hit.

    They do get Nature. It's a class feature for them. (I didn't think it was a big deal to give three skills when one is Nature-a not too terribly useful skill.) And I'm of the opinion that most classes, including core ones, should have plenty of skills to pick from.

    You did read the spell list, right? You do realize it's pretty dang short? There are some nice spells, sure, but every caster has some nice ones.
    I have a LOT of Homebrew!

    Spoiler: Former Avatars
    Show
    Spoiler: Avatar (Not In Use) By Professor Gnoll!
    Show


    Spoiler: Avatar (Not In Use) By Cdr. Fallout!
    Show

  18. - Top - End - #18
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    Flumph

    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Location
    North East of England
    Gender
    Intersex

    Default Re: Botanist-A Class

    Like the idea of the class, but the archetypes aren't really that inspiring and could be a lot more inventive. Tree, Flowers and Fungi (which aren't plants - more closely related to animal kingdom than the plant kingdom - the cell structure of fungi is made of the same material as an insects exoskelton) are pretty generic, and doesn't really give the feeling of "Nature green in leaf and stem".

    There's not much here to me that connects with how trees use the fungal growth that connects almost an entire forest together to communicate with each other and also to transfer nutrients to each other, how plants distribute their seeds through motion and the use of animals, how the vast majority of plants in the rainforest are poisonious and how there is a constant arms race between animals browsing and the trees. Also, for the flowers, there is nothing about deception - Orchids, one of the most widespread and successful groups of flowering plants, use deception all the time in getting insects to do their bidding.

    There is a lot of potential for this class. For the trees, you could divide it up further. For example, have a pine study subclass with cold resistance. For eucalypts, how about a feature where you have resistance to Fire Damage, and at the possible cost of some hit points, set yourself on fire for a minute and deal increased melee damage? Or a Christmas Tree (Australian version), where you can dessicate an enemy and leave him a dried out husk? And Acacia, where you could grow thorns, get communal ants to sting your enemy, and in ancipation of being bitten, pump yourself full of poison.

    The myconid route could be so much more too. A lasso feature along with the threads? (many fungi have traps on their threads that capture worms). How about one myconid class that is inspired by Cordyceps? Mind control and puppeteering? Hell yes.

    And I haven't even gotten to carnivorous plants yet. A subclass based around the study of the venus fly trap, pitcher plants or the Cobra Lily? That would be awesome.

    There is a lot of potential for this class, and as someone that loves plants, I would dig subclasses based around that.
    Gnome Wizard by DarkCorax

  19. - Top - End - #19
    Colossus in the Playground
     
    JNAProductions's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Avatar By Linklele!

    Default Re: Botanist-A Class

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sun Gnome View Post
    Like the idea of the class, but the archetypes aren't really that inspiring and could be a lot more inventive. Tree, Flowers and Fungi (which aren't plants - more closely related to animal kingdom than the plant kingdom - the cell structure of fungi is made of the same material as an insects exoskelton) are pretty generic, and doesn't really give the feeling of "Nature green in leaf and stem".

    There's not much here to me that connects with how trees use the fungal growth that connects almost an entire forest together to communicate with each other and also to transfer nutrients to each other, how plants distribute their seeds through motion and the use of animals, how the vast majority of plants in the rainforest are poisonious and how there is a constant arms race between animals browsing and the trees. Also, for the flowers, there is nothing about deception - Orchids, one of the most widespread and successful groups of flowering plants, use deception all the time in getting insects to do their bidding.

    There is a lot of potential for this class. For the trees, you could divide it up further. For example, have a pine study subclass with cold resistance. For eucalypts, how about a feature where you have resistance to Fire Damage, and at the possible cost of some hit points, set yourself on fire for a minute and deal increased melee damage? Or a Christmas Tree (Australian version), where you can dessicate an enemy and leave him a dried out husk? And Acacia, where you could grow thorns, get communal ants to sting your enemy, and in ancipation of being bitten, pump yourself full of poison.

    The myconid route could be so much more too. A lasso feature along with the threads? (many fungi have traps on their threads that capture worms). How about one myconid class that is inspired by Cordyceps? Mind control and puppeteering? Hell yes.

    And I haven't even gotten to carnivorous plants yet. A subclass based around the study of the venus fly trap, pitcher plants or the Cobra Lily? That would be awesome.

    There is a lot of potential for this class, and as someone that loves plants, I would dig subclasses based around that.
    I should probably know this. My mom is a master gardener after all. I've got some stuff going on, but I'll think about this advice once I'm less busy. Thank you!
    I have a LOT of Homebrew!

    Spoiler: Former Avatars
    Show
    Spoiler: Avatar (Not In Use) By Professor Gnoll!
    Show


    Spoiler: Avatar (Not In Use) By Cdr. Fallout!
    Show

  20. - Top - End - #20
    Colossus in the Playground
     
    JNAProductions's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Avatar By Linklele!

    Default Re: Botanist-A Class

    I added a few new subclasses. The old ones are now spoilered away.
    I have a LOT of Homebrew!

    Spoiler: Former Avatars
    Show
    Spoiler: Avatar (Not In Use) By Professor Gnoll!
    Show


    Spoiler: Avatar (Not In Use) By Cdr. Fallout!
    Show

  21. - Top - End - #21
    Titan in the Playground
     
    AvatarVecna's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jan 2014

    Default Re: Botanist-A Class

    New Flower sub-class doesn't specify what type of save it is to halve the damage; I assume it's Dexterity, as it was before, but making note of it would be useful.


    Currently Recruiting: Dungeons and Doppelgängers.

    Avatar by AsteriskAmp

  22. - Top - End - #22
    Colossus in the Playground
     
    JNAProductions's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Avatar By Linklele!

    Default Re: Botanist-A Class

    I fix! It was also the old Mushroom Capstone, so...
    I have a LOT of Homebrew!

    Spoiler: Former Avatars
    Show
    Spoiler: Avatar (Not In Use) By Professor Gnoll!
    Show


    Spoiler: Avatar (Not In Use) By Cdr. Fallout!
    Show

  23. - Top - End - #23
    Dwarf in the Playground
     
    tantric's Avatar

    Join Date
    Sep 2016
    Location
    near athens, ga

    Default Re: Botanist-A Class

    this is just for possible inspiration - plant mages from my african setting

    Herbalism – Ungaka
    Herbal magic uses the powers of the natural world to make
    potions, medicine and fetishes. This extends beyond curing
    disease to treating all kinds of problems - there are herbal
    cures for those who suffer from thieves. In the modern
    world of Wajabu, there is a tendency towards
    specialization, and herbalists are seen as having more
    power in the area of diseases and ailments than other
    magics, but this doesn't stop them from trying. The one
    ailment they do not treat is spirit possession, which is
    known to require an Ngoma mganga, those they do over
    several diagnostics that will determine whether such a
    course will be necessary.

    Herbalism is more than just compounding various plant
    products. For one, there are specific rituals for harvesting
    the products. The plants themselves must be appeased with
    praise songs and tended with certain sacrifices (specifically,
    certain trees must be watered with specially brewed beers).
    When the medicines are compounded, they must be
    introduced to each other in a certain way. Also, 'herbalism'
    is a misnomer as it includes many animal products. Glands
    and organs from certain animals, bird eggs and special
    insects are very important.

    Dawa/madawa are magical remedies. In Wajabu, the word
    has come to refer to treatments for illness, whereas in
    kiSwahili the word can refer to a remedy for thieves, a love
    potion or any number of things (kiKoka uses 'ushombwe' to
    refer to a magic potion for nonmedical use). There are
    several Madawa Societies that make both standard and
    custom medicines. Madawa can be oral, topical (which can
    be incised) or smoke-based, but they are always
    consumable (as opposed to various charms and amulets
    that ward off disease, but don't cure it). Madawa typically
    have a secret ingredient, a kizimba, that is the activating
    agent. The rest of the dawa can be prepared and even
    bottled, but the kizimba must be added near the time of
    administration and typically requires certain words or
    ritual actions to empower it.

    In the modern Empire, all herbalists are human/!Tsharg
    partnerships. !Tshargs' elevated senses and attention to the
    natural world make them apothecarists bar none. In
    particular, they can smell diseases and know insect
    medicine far beyond what humans do. !Tsharg taste bugs to
    determine their properties and are famous for discovering
    the bee-sting treatment for joint-pain.

    Although herbalists concoct various standard remedies, to
    make them truly efficacious they must be specific to a
    certain person which involves adding ingredients that
    either come from the person (spit or blood) or that relate to
    the person's totem. One must also be careful with these
    remedies that they don't contain taboo ingredients. In
    general, taking a medicine from anyone other than the
    person who mixed it is very dangerous.

    Mngaka function in many ways like alchemists, with
    serious greenthumbs. Rather than a formulary, they have
    Plant Teachers, allies in the plant world. He knows how to
    speak to the plant spirits and how to honor them, and they
    teach him the spells to empower their herbs. The herbalist
    finds the kizimba from his own knowledge. He combines
    the herbs and the kizimba and uses the spell the plant
    teachers taught him. To make a medicine truly powerful, it
    must be bonded to the user in particular.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •