Ring Gates

[JellyPooga]

This has probably come up before, but I've yet to see it, but what's the deal if you cast Lightning Bolt (or any other Line effect spell for that matter) through a Ring Gate with the other Gate facing the first?

Would something like this happen?

| = Ring Gate
<-- = Lightning Bolt

1) | <-- |
2) |- <-|
3) | <-- |
4) |- <-|
etc.
etc.

If so, what happens if someone is standing in between? Do they get hit multiple times by the effect or just once?

Also, what are the possibilities regarding Ring Gates and falling? Suppose you position one above the other and drop something into the first; What happens when the Ring Gates' limit on weight passed through is reached? Does the object just fall to the ground through the lower Gate, the magic just not working? Or does it bounce off of the appeture or something?

What about if you put an item in that passes through both gates simultaneously (like a 10ft pole placed into Gates, one Gate placed exactly 10ft above the other, such that the top of the pole is touching or even connected to the bottom of the pole); does that count as passing entirely through, or as partially pushed through and (potentially) retracted? Now drop the pole. Does it 'fall' forever?

If you were to put a Ring Gate on each arm, up to your shoulder, wouldn't that be weird? What if you put a Gate on each leg too? How about if you had 5 sets of Ring Gates and put one of each pair on your arms, legs and head (as far as it will go) and the other one of each pair attached to some kind of artificial torso? Would you be able to use your artificial torso and leave behind your real one somewhere safe? Using a similar principle, but with many many sets of Ring Gates, what would happen if you tried to get 'into' as many sets of Ring Gates simultaneously, different body parts going through different Gates all over the place? Could you effectively immobilise someone by this method by removing the possibility for any leverage of purchase on anything?

What happens if you put a Ring Gate through another Ring Gate?

[GoblinJTHM]

1. it would have to be a perfectly straight shot
2. you would hit yourself
4. most dare I say all "line" spells do have a distance cap, though this may have been omitted from the rules after AD&D since appearantly people rarely if ever had a spell hit the cap and disipate (in AD&D a baldurs gate II style bouncing lightening bolt travelled something like 360 feet or a max of 6 bounces off a wall or something like that)
5. edit: if I'm not mistaken, there was something in AD&D about ALL lightenin bolt type distance spells having a cap, and if one wasn't provided and the rule came into play, you were just supposed to home brew one.

[Emperor Tippy]

This has probably come up before, but I've yet to see it, but what's the deal if you cast Lightning Bolt (or any other Line effect spell for that matter) through a Ring Gate with the other Gate facing the first?

Would something like this happen?

| = Ring Gate
<-- = Lightning Bolt

1) | <-- |
2) |- <-|
3) | <-- |
4) |- <-|
etc.
etc.

Yes. The lighting bolt would keep going through them forever.

If so, what happens if someone is standing in between? Do they get hit multiple times by the effect or just once?

RAW? As long as they are in the path they get whacked. So if they are standing in between the gates it would be once per round.

Your better off ruling the player as a barrier though.

Also, what are the possibilities regarding Ring Gates and falling? Suppose you position one above the other and drop something into the first; What happens when the Ring Gates' limit on weight passed through is reached? Does the object just fall to the ground through the lower Gate, the magic just not working? Or does it bounce off of the appeture or something?

It just falls through normally. As if it were a nonmagical hoop.

What about if you put an item in that passes through both gates simultaneously (like a 10ft pole placed into Gates, one Gate placed exactly 10ft above the other, such that the top of the pole is touching or even connected to the bottom of the pole); does that count as passing entirely through, or as partially pushed through and (potentially) retracted? Now drop the pole. Does it 'fall' forever?

Completely up to the DM.

If you were to put a Ring Gate on each arm, up to your shoulder, wouldn't that be weird? What if you put a Gate on each leg too? How about if you had 5 sets of Ring Gates and put one of each pair on your arms, legs and head (as far as it will go) and the other one of each pair attached to some kind of artificial torso? Would you be able to use your artificial torso and leave behind your real one somewhere safe? Using a similar principle, but with many many sets of Ring Gates, what would happen if you tried to get 'into' as many sets of Ring Gates simultaneously, different body parts going through different Gates all over the place? Could you effectively immobilise someone by this method by removing the possibility for any leverage of purchase on anything?

Again, up to the DM.

What happens if you put a Ring Gate through another Ring Gate?

Nothing. They won't fit per RAW. Them all being exactly the same size.

[The Demented One]

A catgirl dies a horrible death.

[Seffbasilisk]

Get two level 1 fighter mercenaries with Tower Shield Proficiency. Each one's tower shield has a ring gate set to come out the other one. They walk in front of the party providing total cover. Any shooting at them take the effect of thier own blast.

[Starsinger]

Yes. The lighting bolt would keep going through them forever.

Wouldn't it only go up to Lightning bolt's maximum range of 120 feet?

[Callix]

With the lighning bolt: It has a finite range, and is an instantaneous duration. As such, they take normal damage for the spell, as they are within the area. If you want to model something more realistic, divide the remaining range by the distance between the gates. They get hit that many times. That is, if you use the spell. If you use Telekinesis and a lightning rod, or Call Lightning? no idea, but if we are sacrificing a catgirl, an infinite length of air has infinite resistance, so...

[JellyPooga]

Get two level 1 fighter mercenaries with Tower Shield Proficiency. Each one's tower shield has a ring gate set to come out the other one. They walk in front of the party providing total cover. Any shooting at them take the effect of thier own blast.

Why do you need 2? Just have 1 with both Gates attached to the same shield.

Wouldn't it only go up to Lightning bolt's maximum range of 120 feet?

Yes

Nothing. They won't fit per RAW. Them all being exactly the same size.

Well, o.k, if you had one made a bit bigger or smaller.

[Miles Invictus]

What about if you put an item in that passes through both gates simultaneously (like a 10ft pole placed into Gates, one Gate placed exactly 10ft above the other, such that the top of the pole is touching or even connected to the bottom of the pole); does that count as passing entirely through, or as partially pushed through and (potentially) retracted? Now drop the pole. Does it 'fall' forever?

More importantly, what happens if you then move the Ring Gates closer than ten feet?

[JellyPooga]

More importantly, what happens if you then move the Ring Gates closer than ten feet?

....uh...I don't know....the pole snaps?; it's coming under pressure from itself I suppose. Either that or you'd have to exert enough pressure to snap the pole before being able to move it closer.

[Citizen Joe]

This has probably come up before, but I've yet to see it, but what's the deal if you cast Lightning Bolt (or any other Line effect spell for that matter) through a Ring Gate with the other Gate facing the first?

Would something like this happen?

| = Ring Gate
<-- = Lightning Bolt

1) | <-- |
2) |- <-|
3) | <-- |
4) |- <-|
etc.
etc.

If so, what happens if someone is standing in between? Do they get hit multiple times by the effect or just once?

Ring Gates are barely large enough for a tiny creature to squeeze through. Lightning bolt is like 5' wide and 120' long, thus it wouldn't fit through the gate. Even if it did, it is basically just changing the shape of the spell. It is NOT a chain lightning, you're either IN the area of effect or you're not. So you'd only take the damage once.

Also, what are the possibilities regarding Ring Gates and falling? Suppose you position one above the other and drop something into the first; What happens when the Ring Gates' limit on weight passed through is reached? Does the object just fall to the ground through the lower Gate, the magic just not working? Or does it bounce off of the appeture or something?

The bottom gate would cease to function, making it an 18 inch diameter ring. Thus the item would fall through. The real problem is aiming well enough that things won't drift and hit the edge of the ring or miss entirely.

What about if you put an item in that passes through both gates simultaneously (like a 10ft pole placed into Gates, one Gate placed exactly 10ft above the other, such that the top of the pole is touching or even connected to the bottom of the pole); does that count as passing entirely through, or as partially pushed through and (potentially) retracted? Now drop the pole. Does it 'fall' forever?

When the end of the pole passes through the first gate, that counts as all the way through.

If you were to put a Ring Gate on each arm, up to your shoulder, wouldn't that be weird? What if you put a Gate on each leg too? How about if you had 5 sets of Ring Gates and put one of each pair on your arms, legs and head (as far as it will go) and the other one of each pair attached to some kind of artificial torso? Would you be able to use your artificial torso and leave behind your real one somewhere safe? Using a similar principle, but with many many sets of Ring Gates, what would happen if you tried to get 'into' as many sets of Ring Gates simultaneously, different body parts going through different Gates all over the place? Could you effectively immobilise someone by this method by removing the possibility for any leverage of purchase on anything?

I think you could always get leverage off the rings themselves. I don't think the ring artefact torso thing would work because your limbs aren't touching the torso and thus can't really move with it.

What happens if you put a Ring Gate through another Ring Gate?

Manhole covers are round for a reason, they can't accidently fall through. Same applies to a ring, it won't fit.

[Seffbasilisk]

Why do you need 2? Just have 1 with both Gates attached to the same shield.

Point. But if you have two, then it's less likely that they immediatly grasp what's going on as it's hitting them from an unexpected direction (as it would hit via spell turning or the like), and with two you can cover more of the area in front more effectively.

[JellyPooga]

Ring Gates are barely large enough for a tiny creature to squeeze through. Lightning bolt is like 5' wide and 120' long, thus it wouldn't fit through the gate.

Fair point

When the end of the pole passes through the first gate, that counts as all the way through.

But what if it were an iron pole and you welded the top to the bottom? Even if the weight starts to 'accumulate', what happens when the limit is reached?

Manhole covers are round for a reason, they can't accidently fall through. Same applies to a ring, it won't fit.

Like I say, if you made a smaller or biger Ring Gate, what then?

[Aximili]

I think you could always get leverage off the rings themselves. I don't think the ring artefact torso thing would work because your limbs aren't touching the torso and thus can't really move with it.

Your legs would be touching the rings. If you could manage to move the rings by walking, and therings were firmly attached to the artificial torso, you would move the torso with you. And the torso would move the head and arms. (actually, the leg thinghy wouldn't work. So you'd have to place a single ring around your waiste instead, but the point remains.)

Hiowever, if one were to go there. He/she should consider that the blood going through his veins counts agaisnt the rings maximum weight (or is the weight not considered if it comes back through the same ring?). And considering that blood flows considerably fast, one should be carefull as to how long the ring would last.

EDIT:Sure, you'd have to make the rings smaller, and attach them to your legs so they wouldn't fall through. But it's a fun idea anyway.

That brought to me a diferent question:
=>If you put half of a small through ring A. So ring B would have 4 legs sticking out of it. Then you put down ring B, with the legs touching the ground (so the ring is a couple inches up). Ring B would stay in the air ring? I mean, if it fell to the ground, then where would the legs go?

[Leon]

A catgirl dies a horrible death.

Excellent........ what