Age of Sigmar: Points and Handbooks

[Requizen]

Gristlegore is madness with their trait and the silly fight twice command. The six Terrorgeist (2 kings, 4 regulars) is hilarious though.

Medal of Madness has also changed to being useful. Its not amazing, but better than the wast of text it was before. And a bit more clear that a dragon can't sit on the charnel throne. How surprising.

Interesting note is that Verminlords don't get skaven spells.

Verminlords didn't to start, so this was basically "yeah we meant that". They're already good enough, though.

With little to no changes from the FAQ/Errata, these two books are gonna be huge going forward. FEC in particular is going to be a massive threat to any other pure melee army in the game, especially semi-elite ones.

If your army has shooting or debuff/magic shenanigans, rev them up. If not, well it's gonna be a bumpy couple of months.

[PraetorDragoon]

Verminlords didn't to start, so this was basically "yeah we meant that". They're already good enough, though.

With little to no changes from the FAQ/Errata, these two books are gonna be huge going forward. FEC in particular is going to be a massive threat to any other pure melee army in the game, especially semi-elite ones.

If your army has shooting or debuff/magic shenanigans, rev them up. If not, well it's gonna be a bumpy couple of months.

Ah, didnt knew that about Verminlords. Just skimmed the Skaven rules.

What are your thoughts on the FEC spells? Bonestorm doesn't look at impressive (outside of the name) Spectral Host and Monstrous Vigor both seem very good. Misasmal Shroud is interesting, but appears unreliable. Deranged Tranformation is good if you are Knight heavy. Blood Feast is alright damage and healing, but I would personally pick one of the buffs first.

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Well I got into the NOVA GT. Which means I'll have to really get some practice in with my ghosts. Wish I felt better about the overall list though.

[Requizen]

Ah, didnt knew that about Verminlords. Just skimmed the Skaven rules.

What are your thoughts on the FEC spells? Bonestorm doesn't look at impressive (outside of the name) Spectral Host and Monstrous Vigor both seem very good. Misasmal Shroud is interesting, but appears unreliable. Deranged Tranformation is good if you are Knight heavy. Blood Feast is alright damage and healing, but I would personally pick one of the buffs first.

You've basically got it right. Always take the first two and then flex based on how your army is built. Spectral Host is bonkers in general, always Run+ Charge Monsters or Flayers is nuts.

Well I got into the NOVA GT. Which means I'll have to really get some practice in with my ghosts. Wish I felt better about the overall list though.

What's the list? Aka how many Grimghasts/Bladegheists?

[9mm]

What's the list?

Same one I posted awhile back:

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Allegiance: Death
Mortal Realm: Ulgu

Leaders
Dreadblade Harrow (100)
- General
- Trait: Ruler of the Spirit Hosts
- Artefact: Dreadbolt Ring
Guardian of Souls with Nightmare Lantern (140)
- Lore of the Underworlds: Spirit Drain
Lord Executioner (80)
- Artefact: Sword of Judgement
Spirit Torment (120)

Battleline

Units
3 x Spirit Hosts (120)
3 x Spirit Hosts (120)
3 x Spirit Hosts (120)
10 x Hexwraiths (320)
10 x Hexwraiths (320)

Behemoths
Black Coach (280)
- Artefact: Midnight Tome

Battalions
Deathriders (130)
Execution Horde (100)

Endless Spells
Aethervoid Pendulum (40)

Total: 1990 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 2
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 99

Aka how many Grimghasts/Bladegheists?

zero. Though I'm debating dropping the executioners hoard which would give me 30 Bladgeists. (or I go 2 40 blocks of chainrasps) I also should probably think about moving back to LoN if I'm honest.

[PraetorDragoon]

How is that non-Hero Black Coach carrying an artefact?

[Requizen]

Same one I posted awhile back:

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Allegiance: Death
Mortal Realm: Ulgu

Leaders
Dreadblade Harrow (100)
- General
- Trait: Ruler of the Spirit Hosts
- Artefact: Dreadbolt Ring
Guardian of Souls with Nightmare Lantern (140)
- Lore of the Underworlds: Spirit Drain
Lord Executioner (80)
- Artefact: Sword of Judgement
Spirit Torment (120)

Battleline

Units
3 x Spirit Hosts (120)
3 x Spirit Hosts (120)
3 x Spirit Hosts (120)
10 x Hexwraiths (320)
10 x Hexwraiths (320)

Behemoths
Black Coach (280)
- Artefact: Midnight Tome

Battalions
Deathriders (130)
Execution Horde (100)

Endless Spells
Aethervoid Pendulum (40)

Total: 1990 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 2
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 99

Oh right this one. I think it's interesting, if a bit iffy in body count. Plays the objective game well so you just need to play cagey, but yeah you lack quite a bit of punch.

How is that non-Hero Black Coach carrying an artefact?

Also this

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How is that non-Hero Black Coach carrying an artefact?

by not noticing the Nighthaunt version loses the hero keyword it while the legion version keeps it. Consistency thy name is GW.

meanwhile I have discovered that 80 points left over after the first endless spell is the road to indecision while spitballing Death lists.

[Destro_Yersul]

by not noticing the Nighthaunt version loses the hero keyword it while the legion version keeps it. Consistency thy name is GW.

meanwhile I have discovered that 80 points left over after the first endless spell is the road to indecision while spitballing Death lists.

Take a tomb scorpion. Skeletons love tomb scorpions.

[PraetorDragoon]

GW is consistenly inconsistent.

Don't forget the Necromancer's old adage. "When in doubt, take more skeletons."

[Requizen]

UK AoS Heat 1 finished and while we saw results, it's a GW run event so we don't have lists. I scrounged up the winner from The Honest Wargamer, at least.

Spoiler: Idoneth Deepkin

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Fuethan, Ulgu

Isharann Tidecaster - General, Born from Agony, Steed of Tides
Isharann Soulscryer
Isharann Soulscryer
Akhelian King - Doppelgänger Cloak

10 x Namarti Thralls
10 x Namarti Thralls
10 x Namarti Thralls
9 x Akhelian Morrsarr Guard
9 x Akhelian Morrsarr Guard

5 x Khinerai Heartrenders

Solid army, I personally think it's a lot more interesting than just taking 30 Eels. Better at playing missions too - Thralls are great at nabbing things and contesting, and the Heartrenders are great end-game grabbers. Morrsarr are probably still too good, especially with Soulscryers, but I think overall Deepkin just have strong units and that's ok. Good on the guy for winning with a solid TAC list.

[PraetorDragoon]

UK AoS Heat 1 finished and while we saw results, it's a GW run event so we don't have lists. I scrounged up the winner from The Honest Wargamer, at least.

Spoiler: Idoneth Deepkin

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Fuethan, Ulgu

Isharann Tidecaster - General, Born from Agony, Steed of Tides
Isharann Soulscryer
Isharann Soulscryer
Akhelian King - Doppelgänger Cloak

10 x Namarti Thralls
10 x Namarti Thralls
10 x Namarti Thralls
9 x Akhelian Morrsarr Guard
9 x Akhelian Morrsarr Guard

5 x Khinerai Heartrenders

Solid army, I personally think it's a lot more interesting than just taking 30 Eels. Better at playing missions too - Thralls are great at nabbing things and contesting, and the Heartrenders are great end-game grabbers. Morrsarr are probably still too good, especially with Soulscryers, but I think overall Deepkin just have strong units and that's ok. Good on the guy for winning with a solid TAC list.

Only 10 man Thrall units? That is interesting.

[Kadesh]

Only 10 man Thrall units? That is interesting.

Combined with reasonably low threat (in comparison to the eels), and the ability to not be shot off the field without the other nearby drops being removed first, they are pretty sustainable, I think.

I kinda want to run a Namarti Zombie Horde with a few Soul renders to keep them juiced.

[PraetorDragoon]

Combined with reasonably low threat (in comparison to the eels), and the ability to not be shot off the field without the other nearby drops being removed first, they are pretty sustainable, I think.

I kinda want to run a Namarti Zombie Horde with a few Soul renders to keep them juiced.

Ah right, I keep forgetting that particular tidbit. Should be important to remember though.

[Requizen]

Alternatively, in a mission like Total Commitment where you have to start on the board, you can use the Thralls to soak shots for the far more important Eels. It's solid synergy, I much prefer this style to "take 6+ units of eels and see if they can stop you".

[PraetorDragoon]

Alternatively, in a mission like Total Commitment where you have to start on the board, you can use the Thralls to soak shots for the far more important Eels. It's solid synergy, I much prefer this style to "take 6+ units of eels and see if they can stop you".

It does seem more fun than just spam, that is true.

[Gwyn chan 'r Gwyll]

Plus with the Start Collecting now encouraging Thralls+Eels in tandem, it's good to see that you don't HAVE to go all-Thralls or all-Eels to have a decent chance. I'm considering Ishlaen Eels rather than Morsarr right now, just because that way two Start Collectings and an Akhelian King is an easy 1000 pts for small battles.

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well anyway list spit-balling time

Spoiler: Legion of Sacrament no endless spells

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Allegiance: Legion of Sacrament
Mortal Realm: Shyish

Leaders
Arkhan the Black Mortarch of Sacrament (320)
- General
- Lore of the Dead: Soul Harvest (Deathmages)
Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon (440)
- Vampiric Sword & Shield & Chalice
- Artefact: Ethereal Amulet
- Lore of the Vampires: Vile Transference
Vampire Lord (140)
- Mount: Flying Horror
- Lore of the Vampires: Amaranthine Orb
Necromancer (110)
- Lore of the Deathmages: Overwhelming Dread
Necromancer (110)
- Lore of the Deathmages: Overwhelming Dread

Battleline
20 x Chainrasp Horde (160)
20 x Chainrasp Horde (160)
40 x Skeleton Warriors (280)
- Ancient Spears

Behemoths
Black Coach (280)
- Allies

Total: 2000 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 280 / 400
Wounds: 132

Spoiler: Legion of Sacrament with Pendulum

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Allegiance: Legion of Sacrament
Mortal Realm: Shyish

Leaders
Arkhan the Black Mortarch of Sacrament (320)
- General
- Lore of the Dead: Soul Harvest (Deathmages)
Necromancer (110)
- Lore of the Deathmages: Overwhelming Dread
Necromancer (110)
- Lore of the Deathmages: Overwhelming Dread
Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon (440)
- Vampiric Sword & Shield & Chalice
- Artefact: Ethereal Amulet
- Lore of the Vampires: Vile Transference
Vampire Lord (140)
- Mount: Flying Horror
- Lore of the Vampires: Amaranthine Orb

Battleline
20 x Chainrasp Horde (160)
20 x Chainrasp Horde (160)
30 x Skeleton Warriors (240)
- Ancient Spears

Behemoths
Black Coach (280)
- Allies

Endless Spells
Aethervoid Pendulum (40)

Total: 2000 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 280 / 400
Wounds: 122

Spoiler: quick and dirty Nighthaunt

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Allegiance: Nighthaunt
Mortal Realm: Ulgu

Leaders
Dreadblade Harrow (100)
- General
- Trait: Ruler of the Spirit Hosts
- Artefact: Midnight Tome
Guardian of Souls with Nightmare Lantern (140)
- Artefact: Doppelganger Cloak
- Lore of the Underworlds: Spirit Drain
Spirit Torment (120)

Battleline
10 x Hexwraiths (320)
10 x Hexwraiths (320)

Units
15 x Bladegheist Revenants (270)
15 x Bladegheist Revenants (270)

Behemoths
Black Coach (280)

Battalions
Deathriders (130)

Endless Spells
Aethervoid Pendulum (40)

Total: 1990 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 1
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 97

Spoiler: more casters Nighthaunt

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Allegiance: Nighthaunt
Mortal Realm: Ulgu

Leaders
Dreadblade Harrow (100)
- General
- Trait: Ruler of the Spirit Hosts
- Artefact: Midnight Tome
Guardian of Souls with Nightmare Lantern (140)
- Artefact: Doppelganger Cloak
- Lore of the Underworlds: Spirit Drain
Guardian of Souls with Nightmare Lantern (140)
- Lore of the Underworlds: Spirit Drain

Battleline
10 x Hexwraiths (320)
10 x Hexwraiths (320)

Units
15 x Bladegheist Revenants (270)
15 x Bladegheist Revenants (270)

Behemoths
Black Coach (280)

Battalions
Deathriders (130)

Endless Spells
Suffocating Gravetide (30)

Total: 2000 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 1
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 97

[PraetorDragoon]

30 man skeleton units always make me feel iffy. The 40 man block just performs better and isn't that big of a additonal cost. You can drop some chainrasps for that and get an additional spell.

Caster Nighthaunt seems fun, but don't the Bladegeist get full re-rolls to hit if there is a Spirit Torment whipping them?

[Requizen]

well anyway list spit-balling time

Spoiler: Legion of Sacrament no endless spells

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Allegiance: Legion of Sacrament
Mortal Realm: Shyish

Leaders
Arkhan the Black Mortarch of Sacrament (320)
- General
- Lore of the Dead: Soul Harvest (Deathmages)
Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon (440)
- Vampiric Sword & Shield & Chalice
- Artefact: Ethereal Amulet
- Lore of the Vampires: Vile Transference
Vampire Lord (140)
- Mount: Flying Horror
- Lore of the Vampires: Amaranthine Orb
Necromancer (110)
- Lore of the Deathmages: Overwhelming Dread
Necromancer (110)
- Lore of the Deathmages: Overwhelming Dread

Battleline
20 x Chainrasp Horde (160)
20 x Chainrasp Horde (160)
40 x Skeleton Warriors (280)
- Ancient Spears

Behemoths
Black Coach (280)
- Allies

Total: 2000 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 280 / 400
Wounds: 132

Overall nice, but a bit heavy on Heroes. Maybe drop the small Vamp for some more bodies?

Spoiler: Legion of Sacrament with Pendulum

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Allegiance: Legion of Sacrament
Mortal Realm: Shyish

Leaders
Arkhan the Black Mortarch of Sacrament (320)
- General
- Lore of the Dead: Soul Harvest (Deathmages)
Necromancer (110)
- Lore of the Deathmages: Overwhelming Dread
Necromancer (110)
- Lore of the Deathmages: Overwhelming Dread
Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon (440)
- Vampiric Sword & Shield & Chalice
- Artefact: Ethereal Amulet
- Lore of the Vampires: Vile Transference
Vampire Lord (140)
- Mount: Flying Horror
- Lore of the Vampires: Amaranthine Orb

Battleline
20 x Chainrasp Horde (160)
20 x Chainrasp Horde (160)
30 x Skeleton Warriors (240)
- Ancient Spears

Behemoths
Black Coach (280)
- Allies

Endless Spells
Aethervoid Pendulum (40)

Total: 2000 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 280 / 400
Wounds: 122

Same as above. You could make that Skellie unit full again if you drop the small Vamp Lord.

Spoiler: quick and dirty Nighthaunt

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Allegiance: Nighthaunt
Mortal Realm: Ulgu

Leaders
Dreadblade Harrow (100)
- General
- Trait: Ruler of the Spirit Hosts
- Artefact: Midnight Tome
Guardian of Souls with Nightmare Lantern (140)
- Artefact: Doppelganger Cloak
- Lore of the Underworlds: Spirit Drain
Spirit Torment (120)

Battleline
10 x Hexwraiths (320)
10 x Hexwraiths (320)

Units
15 x Bladegheist Revenants (270)
15 x Bladegheist Revenants (270)

Behemoths
Black Coach (280)

Battalions
Deathriders (130)

Endless Spells
Aethervoid Pendulum (40)

Total: 1990 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 1
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 97

Only 2 Battleline, oopsies. I'd bulk up one of the Bladegheist units to full and then take 20 Chainrasps, perhaps? Or go 10 Hexwraiths + 5 Hexwraiths + 30 Grimghast + 20 Bladeghiest which is... pretty solid?

Spoiler: more casters Nighthaunt

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Allegiance: Nighthaunt
Mortal Realm: Ulgu

Leaders
Dreadblade Harrow (100)
- General
- Trait: Ruler of the Spirit Hosts
- Artefact: Midnight Tome
Guardian of Souls with Nightmare Lantern (140)
- Artefact: Doppelganger Cloak
- Lore of the Underworlds: Spirit Drain
Guardian of Souls with Nightmare Lantern (140)
- Lore of the Underworlds: Spirit Drain

Battleline
10 x Hexwraiths (320)
10 x Hexwraiths (320)

Units
15 x Bladegheist Revenants (270)
15 x Bladegheist Revenants (270)

Behemoths
Black Coach (280)

Battalions
Deathriders (130)

Endless Spells
Suffocating Gravetide (30)

Total: 2000 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 1
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 97

Same as above in regards to Battleline. I like double casters, but Gravetide is terrible (I've tested it multiple times and always cry), I think perhaps something like Shackles would be better in that situation.


Edit: Also in Legions of Nagash lists, you want at least 1 extra CP, so you can use some but still have one in your pocket for rezzing, especially with those style lists. Starting 50 down is a small price to pay for 40 free Skellies back.

[PraetorDragoon]

Blades of Khorne 2.0 on preorder next week. Any big changes to be expected, or do you think things will remain relatively the same?

[LeSwordfish]

My assumption is that not much will change: probably some balancing, the new things and terrain, consolidation of the summoning rules, that sort of thing.

[9mm]

My assumption is that not much will change: probably some balancing, the new things and terrain, consolidation of the summoning rules, that sort of thing.

well, the preview say the endless spells prayers can't be dispelled... Because Khorne prayers weren't stupid enough.

[LeSwordfish]

I assume there'll be some other balancing factor. Maybe they'll be short-ranged and unable to move or something.

[Requizen]

Blades of Khorne 2.0 on preorder next week. Any big changes to be expected, or do you think things will remain relatively the same?

I expect most warscrolls and points to stay effectively the same, perhaps dropping points on some of the less seen things like certain Bloodbound models or things like Cavalry/Chariots. Expect every ability to go into "Wholly Within" terminology, of course.

well, the preview say the endless spells prayers can't be dispelled... Because Khorne prayers weren't stupid enough.

Let's wait and see on this one. It could be a Prayer with a 5+ or even 6+ to go off, so who knows how reliable they are and what the effects actually do.

[PraetorDragoon]

I half and half expect the endless prayers to cost blood tithe to invoke.

[Requizen]

I half and half expect the endless prayers to cost blood tithe to invoke.

Oh, that's likely as well. Fluffy, kind of a "Khorne blesses the battlefield after X amount of death"

[PraetorDragoon]

Oh, that's likely as well. Fluffy, kind of a "Khorne blesses the battlefield after X amount of death"

And probably more flexible and balanced than a single d6 roll.

[Requizen]

And probably more flexible and balanced than a single d6 roll.

Well, not like 2d6 for endless spells are much better, especially things like Everblaze Comet or Warp Lightning Vortex which can completely break the game in some instances.

Also a monkey wrench, this Battletome comes out right before Adepticon and after their rules cutoff date. Now, this isn't that big of a deal, right? Since you just use the old book. Except... some of the Warscrolls are currently different in the app than the previous Battletome (so you'll lose those post-AoS2 pre-BoK2 warscrolls), and the FAQs will up and disappear. This is pretty darn problematic for the event organizers, so we'll see what happens.

[Artemis97]

Good news and bad news. Dad shipped my minis from Florida. All the white lions arrived, as did the two archmages, although the one on the horse is missing his arm. Gonna have to find a replacement for that.

Biggest trouble is: No Griffon! The one thing I so wanted, it didn't end up in the box somehow. Talked about it with Dad and I'm hoping he just left it on my workbench, accidentally. Otherwise, UPS lost it somehow in packaging/shipping it.

Fortunately the prices for a new one off of Ebay aren't so bad. Might find the Isle of Blood box just to give Destro more Skaven.