Age of Sigmar: Points and Handbooks

[PraetorDragoon]

I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about. But I love it.

Tyrion's light elves have been hinted at for a long while now, and the latest elf releases had greek-inspired elements.

[LeSwordfish]

The new Marine Codex appears to have Iron Hands Primaris upgrade sprues on certain models. So, they exist.

I'm thinking of the multipart phobos stuff, which is due pretty soon. I wouldn'tbe surprised if the next 40k release wasnt the phobos stuff along with raven guard and iron hands supplements.

Thats a massive amount of stuff. We're not going to see all of that this year. (We have about 17 releases slots left, and that is more than 17 slots of releases, plus several releases will take multiple slots) And in December things usually slow down a little as we typically get the fancy battleforces for christmas.

So I don't think we get all the book updates for AoS this year. (even if we need only 5 or so. Tzeentch, Kharadrons, Seraphon, Everchosen and Beastclaws. Though Everchosen and Beastclaws will likely be mixed tomes in the future.

I haven't heard anything about Darkoath/Slaves to Darkness myself, unless you count wishlisting and comments that they have to be updated soon because they got a herald way back in Portents.

Oh yeah this is definitely a longer-term plan. I suspect the original plan was a full set of updates for everything this year but the supply chain issues will have slowed it down. Seraphon are apparently fairly hotly tipped as on the way, and then we'd be left with only Slaves To Darkness without any book, and Tzeentch and Kharadron with old-style books. This is also why i'm expecting a Slaves/Darkoath book: I imagine the full darkoath range some were expecting won't materialise, but I wonder if Darkoath is the new catch-all "unaligned mortal chaos" term, like Gloomspite for goblins and trolls etc.

Tyrion's light elves have been hinted at for a long while now, and the latest elf releases had greek-inspired elements.

Yeah exactly. The specific phrasing is an in-joke in the community I wrote this for.

[PraetorDragoon]

Yeah exactly. The specific phrasing is an in-joke in the community I wrote this for.

Its nice phrasing.

[Requizen]

I dig the Bonereapers personally. I'm glad it's not just "Tomb Kings but new plastic" nor regular skellingtons. They clearly have the TK vibe (or rather, the TK vibe by way of Necrons, third generation Tomb Kings if you will), but they look unique enough to be interesting. They're cool enough models that if the rules are good I'll be getting at least 1k of them.

That said, WHERE ARE MY ORRUKS?

Other Nova stuff:

I personally think it's a bit too soon for a Warcry expansion. I'm afraid of rule bloat and the sort of stuff that sacked Kill Team, but maybe it's mostly narrative or alternative playmodes (like Gargant Underworlds). Wait and see, but I have some worries.

WH:U Grandmasters is a really amazing concept. Hopefully they keep the "ultimate competitive board game" tag in mind and actually run it right. Wish there was more Beastgrave news, though.

[Grim Portent]

I'm on the fence about the Ossiarchs, there's elements I like and elements I don't like, but to be honest I'd really rather see some undead derived from the non-Death factions. Undead orruks, ogors, dwarves and so on. There can't just be armies of human dead when there's plentiful other sources of bones, flesh and souls lying around and it would be a neat opportunity to mess about with mixing together design elements from different factions.

[Destro_Yersul]

Yeah, they really do look like Fantasy Necrons. I don't like the heads on them, for the most part, and I think they're a little too bulky. It's a shame, because I usually love undead factions.

[Requizen]

Yeah, they really do look like Fantasy Necrons. I don't like the heads on them, for the most part, and I think they're a little too bulky. It's a shame, because I usually love undead factions.

I definitely get that, but I am really glad that they've done something quite different. It would have been really disappointing (imo) if it was just a bunch more generic looking skeletons, or straight up Tomb King remakes. They're way more unique than most Death factions, for better or worse.

[Destro_Yersul]

They are unique, I'll give them that. I'd just like them to be unique in a way that is good.

[9mm]

Bonereapers are great for two reasons:
1 Morghast looks on newer models.
2 The general Kanobi memes.

Honestly I just hope they play significantly different than the current death factions. I'm tired of playing "Protect the 4+, 5 wound model"

[PraetorDragoon]

As a TK player, I don't get the TK vibe from them, but whatever.

They're not intended to be that. They're an expansion of the Deathlords line that started with Nagash in the end times.

Looking back on things, there have been rumours of 'Deathcast Eternals' a few years back. I assume the bonereapers are what those rumours were about.

Bonereapers are great for two reasons:
1 Morghast looks on newer models.
2 The general Kanobi memes.

Honestly I just hope they play significantly different than the current death factions. I'm tired of playing "Protect the 4+, 5 wound model"

These guys are beefier, so it will be 'Protect the 3+, 6 wound model'

[LansXero]

Sorry to bother people, but someone dropped at the last minute for tomorrow's tournament, so I need a 1250 Vanguard list in Stormcast Eternals to play whoever is on a bye. Focus on ranged combat would be great, models can be anything. Thank you very much.

Edit: I went with this:

Spoiler: 1250

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++ **Pitched Battle** 1,000 (Order - Stormcast Eternals) [1,300pts] ++

+ Leader +

Lord-Aquilor [180pts]: 0. Deathly Aura, 0. Soulthief, General

+ Artillery +

Celestar Ballista [110pts]

Celestar Ballista [110pts]

+ Battleline +

Judicators [160pts]: 5 Judicators, Boltstorm Crossbow, Shockbolt Bow

Judicators [160pts]: 5 Judicators, Boltstorm Crossbow, Thunderbolt Crossbow

+ Other +

Vanguard-Raptors with Hurricane Crossbows [140pts]: 3 Vanguard-Raptors with Hurricane Crossbows

Vanguard-Raptors with Longstrike Crossbows [170pts]: 3 Vanguard-Raptors with Longstrike Crossbows

Vanguard-Raptors with Longstrike Crossbows [170pts]: 3 Vanguard-Raptors with Longstrike Crossbows

+ Allegiance +

Allegiance
. Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals: Anvils of the Heldenhammer

+ Game Options +

Game Type: 1000 Points - Vanguard

Points Variation: + 250

+ Command Points +

Purchased Command Points [100pts]: 2x 1 Command Point

++ Total: [1,300pts] ++

Created with BattleScribe (https://battlescribe.net)

Thoughts? Other armies are: Legion of Blood, Nighthaunt, Khorne, Ironjawz and Seraphons.

[Requizen]

Sorry to bother people, but someone dropped at the last minute for tomorrow's tournament, so I need a 1250 Vanguard list in Stormcast Eternals to play whoever is on a bye. Focus on ranged combat would be great, models can be anything. Thank you very much.

Edit: I went with this:

Spoiler: 1250

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++ **Pitched Battle** 1,000 (Order - Stormcast Eternals) [1,300pts] ++

+ Leader +

Lord-Aquilor [180pts]: 0. Deathly Aura, 0. Soulthief, General

+ Artillery +

Celestar Ballista [110pts]

Celestar Ballista [110pts]

+ Battleline +

Judicators [160pts]: 5 Judicators, Boltstorm Crossbow, Shockbolt Bow

Judicators [160pts]: 5 Judicators, Boltstorm Crossbow, Thunderbolt Crossbow

+ Other +

Vanguard-Raptors with Hurricane Crossbows [140pts]: 3 Vanguard-Raptors with Hurricane Crossbows

Vanguard-Raptors with Longstrike Crossbows [170pts]: 3 Vanguard-Raptors with Longstrike Crossbows

Vanguard-Raptors with Longstrike Crossbows [170pts]: 3 Vanguard-Raptors with Longstrike Crossbows

+ Allegiance +

Allegiance
. Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals: Anvils of the Heldenhammer

+ Game Options +

Game Type: 1000 Points - Vanguard

Points Variation: + 250

+ Command Points +

Purchased Command Points [100pts]: 2x 1 Command Point

++ Total: [1,300pts] ++

Created with BattleScribe (https://battlescribe.net)

Thoughts? Other armies are: Legion of Blood, Nighthaunt, Khorne, Ironjawz and Seraphons.

As long as you don't play Duality/Places of Arcane Power 2018 or 3 places of Power, you should be fine. None of those armies can deal with shooting save for maybe Seraphon, especially at low points.

[LansXero]

As long as you don't play Duality/Places of Arcane Power 2018 or 3 places of Power, you should be fine. None of those armies can deal with shooting save for maybe Seraphon, especially at low points.

Armies are: Gorefist (9 goregruntas) + a mawkrusha, 15 blood knights, 30 skeles and a vampire lord, blood reavers and mighty skullcrushers and ripperdactyls. So I figure if I go 2nd Im fkd. If they get a double turn Im also fked. :D

[PraetorDragoon]

Huh? No priests or the bannerguy with Khorne? That is strange.

If you can snipe the heroes of those armies you should do fine.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/...s-mercenaries/

Warcry Expansion already, and the starter box warbands and beasts.

[Requizen]

Huh? No priests or the bannerguy with Khorne? That is strange.

If you can snipe the heroes of those armies you should do fine.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/...s-mercenaries/

Warcry Expansion already, and the starter box warbands and beasts.

A lot faster than I thought it'd come out. I don't want to call it good or bad yet, best to wait for reviews of what's actually inside.

What I think would be good and want to see:
-Alternate play modes (a la Glass Mad Gargant in Underworlds)
-Expanded campaigns
-Small matched play additions via a handful of models at most

What I fear will be added and make things worse:
-Huge matched play changes that change the feel (but of course GW calls them "optional")
-Adding Monsters or Heros on the scale of FEC or IJ bosses in to Matched which totally skew the power of the game

[PraetorDragoon]

A lot faster than I thought it'd come out. I don't want to call it good or bad yet, best to wait for reviews of what's actually inside.

What I think would be good and want to see:
-Alternate play modes (a la Glass Mad Gargant in Underworlds)
-Expanded campaigns
-Small matched play additions via a handful of models at most

What I fear will be added and make things worse:
-Huge matched play changes that change the feel (but of course GW calls them "optional")
-Adding Monsters or Heros on the scale of FEC or IJ bosses in to Matched which totally skew the power of the game

I personally hope for a mode that allows for neutral monsters, but not holding my breath.

I haven't even gotten Warcry yet, but the speed of this expansion makes me wary of getting it.

[Avaris]

I personally hope for a mode that allows for neutral monsters, but not holding my breath.

I haven't even gotten Warcry yet, but the speed of this expansion makes me wary of getting it.

I’m very surprised it’s coming out before the final two warbands are even previewed.

[9mm]

Home from NOVA.

Tourney report

Spoiler: My List

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Allegiance: Legion of Night
Mortal Realm: Shyish

Leaders
Knight of Shrouds on Ethereal Steed (120)
Necromancer (130)
- Lore of the Deathmages: Overwhelming Dread
Necromancer (130)
- Lore of the Deathmages: Overwhelming Dread
Vampire Lord (140)
- General
- Mount: Flying Horror
- Artefact: Morbheg's Claw
- Lore of the Vampires: Vile Transference

Battleline
40 x Skeleton Warriors (280)
- Ancient Spears
40 x Skeleton Warriors (280)
- Ancient Spears
40 x Skeleton Warriors (280)
- Ancient Spears

Units
10 x Hexwraiths (280)
10 x Hexwraiths (280)

Endless Spells / Terrain
Purple Sun of Shyish (50)
Quicksilver Swords (30)

Total: 2000 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 181

Round 1:
mission: Knife to the Heart
Opponent: Skaven.
So apparently Skaven have an infinite CP farm and their +1 attack command ability hasn't been FAQed to only effect a unit once. Opponent underestimates my hexwraiths damage output and only leaves 30 clanrats to hold his objective. I win the turn three priority, and am able to take his objective 14 models to 13 just before he can wipe my skeletons off the board. Major win, no secondary.

Round 2:
Mission: Total Conquest
Opponent: 4 Bloodthirster Khorn
I am honestly constantly surprised at how much damage a bloodthirster doesn't do. Skeletons hold the line while Hexwraiths steal objectives and seal the win. Major win, with Secondary.

Round 3:
Mission: Shifting Objectives
Opponent: Nurgle with Pestilence units
So at the hardest mission for my army I run into the match up I was hoping to fade. Plague monks and Verminlord Corrupter turn skeletons into mulch while Blightkings happily tank the Hexwraiths while the objective never moves. Major loss, no secondary.

Round 4:
Mission: Focal points
Opponent: Nurgle with Glotkin and Great Unclean One
We have the ultimate slap fight in the middle of the board, my Purple Sun kills more skeletons than Nurgle units, but Hexwraiths guarantee I get a VP lead and I ride that to victory. Major win, with secondary.

Round 5:
Mission: Duality of Death
Opponent: Fellow club member running on 4 hours of sleep playing Saraphon
He makes several opening mistakes that let me get a VP lead and when I won the turn 4 priority roll he mathematically could not catch up. Major win, no secondary.

Final Result: 4-1 with an overall placement of 39th.

Before Soft Scores were added Slaanesh took 3 of the top 5 spots.

[Requizen]

Home from NOVA.

Tourney report

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Final Result: 4-1 with an overall placement of 39th.

Before Soft Scores were added Slaanesh took 3 of the top 5 spots.

Nice result! And with a solid atypical list too, I'm glad to see it. Do you think there's anything you could have changed in the list to beat the Pestilens?

Slaanesh is a problem. The army itself is fine, units are good but balanced, but the summoning is out of whack. That said, we only have about 3 months til the next FAQ, so I have a feeling they'll be fixed before LVO/ACon/whatever.

[9mm]

Nice result! And with a solid atypical list too, I'm glad to see it. Do you think there's anything you could have changed in the list to beat the Pestilens?

Not really. a Corruptors warscroll spell should statistically kill 20 skeletons, and plague monks are practically witch elves with rend on a charge. I might have been better served putting two of the blocks into the Ageless Cunning deepstrike over the hexwraiths, but overcoming the overwelming advantages Skaven have over Legions of Nagash are pretty slim.

[Cheesegear]

So, after seeing NOVA results, I've decided to sell off all my Underworlds stuff, especially in the face of an online game in the near future...

8. Balloon Bois
7. Stormcast Wizards
6. Troll
5. Stormcast Wizards
4. Stormcast Wizards
3. Stormcast Wizards
2. Thorns
1. Balloon Bois

...With using cards from between 11-15 Warband Expansions - noting that most Season 1 Warbands are OOP, and S2 Warbands are hot on the heels, which makes previous cards inaccessible. Rad.
Buy all the cards, and only play the latest Warbands. I'm out. To be clear, the strongest reason behind this choice is because an online client makes deadtrees redundant, which means I feel safe bailing out.

[LansXero]

So, after seeing NOVA results, I've decided to sell off all my Underworlds stuff, especially in the face of an online game in the near future...

8. Balloon Bois
7. Stormcast Wizards
6. Troll
5. Stormcast Wizards
4. Stormcast Wizards
3. Stormcast Wizards
2. Thorns
1. Balloon Bois

...With using cards from between 11-15 Warband Expansions - noting that most Season 1 Warbands are OOP, and S2 Warbands are hot on the heels, which makes previous cards inaccessible. Rad.
Buy all the cards, and only play the latest Warbands. I'm out. To be clear, the strongest reason behind this choice is because an online client makes deadtrees redundant, which means I feel safe bailing out.

Out of what? S1 warbands are still available at trade range, so maybe its an AUS thing, but we got a restock like a month or so ago. S2 warbands will take a long time to go away (Beastgrave doesnt even have a release date yet). Arent there singles sites for Underworlds cards?

[Cheesegear]

Out of what? S1 warbands are still available at trade range, so maybe its an AUS thing

I think it might be an English language thing?

Whatever S1 Warbands are available on shelves, is all that's left.
I made mention of the fact when I went to a tournament a month or so ago that I couldn't find anywhere in Australia selling an Echoes of Glory set for less than a mint... So, basically, when things go OOP, **** gets real, especially on the aftermarket.

S2 warbands will take a long time to go away (Beastgrave doesnt even have a release date yet).

Once people realise that what's left, is all we're gonna get, they tend to disappear.

Arent there singles sites for Underworlds cards?

Not that I'm aware of.

[LansXero]

60120709001 110-03-60 Wh Underworlds: Ironskull's Boyz (Eng) 29/08/2019 BS:F Available through GW Webstore

Huh, so you're right. It was last week, and since the only new thing was Aeronautica (bleh) I didnt check.

Oh well, good thing we just print the cards off the official site anyways.

Edit:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Warhammer...-/382468694575

[Requizen]

I think it might be an English language thing?

Whatever S1 Warbands are available on shelves, is all that's left.
I made mention of the fact when I went to a tournament a month or so ago that I couldn't find anywhere in Australia selling an Echoes of Glory set for less than a mint... So, basically, when things go OOP, **** gets real, especially on the aftermarket.



Once people realise that what's left, is all we're gonna get, they tend to disappear.



Not that I'm aware of.

https://i.imgur.com/hVst5Ha.jpg

I would at least hold off until the news. Likely S1 universal cards are rotating out, but there will be a solution for S1 Warbands.

WHU:O is exciting for sure, and I'm going to shill it like crazy, but it in no way makes me less excited for physical Underworlds. But then, I'm a fanboy

[Avaris]

https://i.imgur.com/hVst5Ha.jpg

I would at least hold off until the news. Likely S1 universal cards are rotating out, but there will be a solution for S1 Warbands.

WHU:O is exciting for sure, and I'm going to shill it like crazy, but it in no way makes me less excited for physical Underworlds. But then, I'm a fanboy

GW actually announcing plans for the future to give confidence to their customers? Madness!

[LansXero]

GW actually announcing plans for the future to give confidence to their customers? Madness!

No, to give confidence to retailers. My rep has been off due to labor day and then the hurricane warnings, so Im sure we'll get something like it in this week's call.

[Avaris]

No, to give confidence to retailers. My rep has been off due to labor day and then the hurricane warnings, so Im sure we'll get something like it in this week's call.

That’s also important! My point was, the imgur image linked indicates a Warhammer Community post about the future of Underworlds. Ideally, this will be an indication not only of what will happen with season 1 but also what will happen when season 4 rolls around, and when. But GW is allergic to giving info more than a few weeks in advance, so I’m doubtful.

[Requizen]

That’s also important! My point was, the imgur image linked indicates a Warhammer Community post about the future of Underworlds. Ideally, this will be an indication not only of what will happen with season 1 but also what will happen when season 4 rolls around, and when. But GW is allergic to giving info more than a few weeks in advance, so I’m doubtful.

Underworlds season box has been in October for the last two, so likely no more than a month for news. But who knows with GW sometimes...

[Cheesegear]

I would at least hold off until the news. Likely S1 universal cards are rotating out, but there will be a solution for S1 Warbands.

Ideally, this will be an indication not only of what will happen with season 1...

"These cards are now relegated to 'Legacy' status, we no longer print them. You can use them if you want. But they are banned in all Organised and Matched Play events. You can use them if you want. But also they are banned. But you are free to use them."

But it's clear that the Underworlds scene is 'Buy everything, no really we mean it, and, Newer = Better.' and that's not a business model I want to support, and I don't have to, because online client.