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    I'm really trying, guys. I even left work on time today and got home, took a nap and ate my dinner. But this post is just not forming because I'm too brain dead from work. Sometime I resent how tired teaching makes me, despite the meaningfulness, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maggie_mcknife View Post
    I'm really trying, guys. I even left work on time today and got home, took a nap and ate my dinner. But this post is just not forming because I'm too brain dead from work. Sometime I resent how tired teaching makes me, despite the meaningfulness, etc.

    Sorry, guys. Gonna take a bit longer.
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    Indeed. We're not going anywhere :-)
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    Indeed. We're not going anywhere :-)
    I second the motion, your honour! We're with ye, don't worry! Rock and roll, ma'am Maggie!
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    So... does anyone else want to stab all the corpses and then throw them at the door, a la Rico suggestion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by maggie_mcknife View Post
    So... does anyone else want to stab all the corpses and then throw them at the door, a la Rico suggestion?
    Miiiiiinor correction, ma'am. All, or almost all, were decapitated in combat. The plan is to DE-LIMB them so as to limit their being a viable threat if raised as undead. Once de-limbed, far as I reckon, the closest to effective undead they can be remade as would be as one of those meat-puppets. Can't be ghouls, ghasts, vamps, because all those need the corpse to be more or less intact. Zombie is arguable, but... a whole bunch of butchered undead arms, legs, torsos and heads are NOT really serious threats, right? Hmm. Skeleton is arguable... but does the skeletonizing spell REASSEMBLE butchered body parts?

    And throw them at the door--- Correct, yes. Especially the bulky torsos. If everybody pitches in and throws a torso at once, better chances of tripping their traps without putting Red or anybody else in danger.

    It's crude, irreverent, savage... but ... hopefully the idea is sound?
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    Huh. You know, I think a skellie spell would probably reassemble decapitated limbs. Don't think it would fix cracked bones etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maggie_mcknife View Post
    Huh. You know, I think a skellie spell would probably reassemble decapitated limbs. Don't think it would fix cracked bones etc.
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    Hm. I suppose at this point, I already established that Naya pretty much sees the Grauls as nothing but animals. Question is, would she approve using animal corpses like that?
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    I think it's an issue of time. Desecrating corpses takes time, and they have a prisoner.

    Anyway, meatspace game today, may not be able to post until tomorrow.
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    Hm. Boils down to the recommendation of the resident Pharasmin drunkard then. Your call, sir Bhaakon.
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    @Jamieth:
    Correct me if I'm wrong? Prestidigitation can be used for both DRYING stuff and CARRYING stuff, right? But I'm aware it has a limit to how heavy a load it can carry. Still, easily used for drying a LOT of tinder/brushwood/weeds/a whole lotta combustibles and carrying them to the impromptu funeral pyre, right?
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    For carrying stuff I have Mage hand, which has 5lb limit vs. 1lb of Presty, and less restrictions otherwise; I only assessed it I regards to carrying corpses, though, and found lacking. It might have its use for building a bonfire, true...
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    So... should Red try and Disable Device on the door while the rest of you merrily do corpse burning?
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    Quote Originally Posted by maggie_mcknife View Post
    So... should Red try and Disable Device on the door while the rest of you merrily do corpse burning?
    If we're going to take the time to set up a pyre and burn them, yeah. I'll post having Setsuna say as much...if not tonight, hopefully tomorrow.
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    Red passed her Disable Device check. Would you all like me to time this such that the instant she succeeds, you all bust through the door or...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by maggie_mcknife View Post
    Red passed her Disable Device check. Would you all like me to time this such that the instant she succeeds, you all bust through the door or...?
    I vote for the latter. Let them come out to a killzone we prepare.

    Have Rico and goading them to charge out, Impaler readied. Red and Setsuna on either side of the door. Shalelu at 8-o-clock and Brin at 4-o-clock towards the door, shooting through the gaps between our melee mashers. Naya up along the Z-axis above. That way, no chance of friendly fire. Vale to guard the rear (including Jakardos).

    Hopefully we can take this bugger down in one round, even without relying on crits.

    Next phase, against the spider. Pull the classic "use a blade as a mirror to look into a room, especially the ceiling" trick.
    ...Huh. Close confines, gnarly creature, hostile breach, this is suddenly reminding me of the crypt beneath Sandpoint's new cathedral...
    Get Setsuna in there first, since she's our almost-unhittable-unless-enemy-is-incredible. While she holds the beastie's attention, Naya BLITZes it and Brin shoots from safety, have Rico step in just to make sure it can't get to the door and possibly harm the squishies. Have Red open up with a shot...

    Then when we get farther in, ONE-TWO punch with two leap attacks.

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    Why would the Graul come out into our trap, though?
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    Why would the Graul come out into our trap, though?
    On the OOC, that hinges on a successful Intimidate check?

    On the IC, goading, pride, revenge? Plus, it doesn't know for sure who or what is there. Just that somebody's tampered with and gotten past his trap.

    But if that's a fail... well, I guess, proceed to Phase Two, albeit a bit harder than originally posited since the ogre's still standing.
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    ...so hey, dumb idea, but they have an injured prisoner...think maybe we could do an exchange? Send Setsuna in to get the prisoner(s) released with her as the hostage instead...then as soon as they're free, she slips free/fights back and runs out toward the trap?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desril View Post
    ...so hey, dumb idea, but they have an injured prisoner...think maybe we could do an exchange? Send Setsuna in to get the prisoner(s) released with her as the hostage instead...then as soon as they're free, she slips free/fights back and runs out toward the trap?
    Dramatic, certainly...
    ...but, while we're statistically certain of Setsuna's almost-unhittability (and yet she got clobbered THAT much in the last combat) pretty sure it'd be better to NOT expose anybody else to further undue harm?

    AND pretty sure ogrekin gaoler has orders to NOT let his prisoners escape. He can almost certainly see that one is GONE, and he had almost certainly heard the battle raging outside and lots of ogre-voice death-throes. He's almost certainly ANGRY as well as AFRAID. Even rattled or desperate, perhaps.

    Bottomline... We already have, apparently, one out of two rescues secured, and the higher-value VIP, at that. On our side, OVERALL, the previous combat went... decently. BUT. Most of our kills were via crits (Which, unless the build is crit-specc'd, pardon my saying so, we shouldn't count on.) And correct me if I'm wrong, most of our magickal resources are already almost tapped out, right?

    Eh... Okay. While we're airing ideas... Can either of y'all thunderbolt-flingers rejigger your spells to go off on a delayed fuse? Like... JUST as the doors open, zzwwoooooopp-BZWAAAKT in an omnidirectional blast like an arcan-o grenade?

    Wait. Enlighten the ignorant? ARE there stuff in the mechanics about REJIGGERING spells on the fly, or is that up to player initiative and GM consent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miraqariftsky View Post
    Dramatic, certainly...
    ...but, while we're statistically certain of Setsuna's almost-unhittability (and yet she got clobbered THAT much in the last combat) pretty sure it'd be better to NOT expose anybody else to further undue harm?

    AND pretty sure ogrekin gaoler has orders to NOT let his prisoners escape. He can almost certainly see that one is GONE, and he had almost certainly heard the battle raging outside and lots of ogre-voice death-throes. He's almost certainly ANGRY as well as AFRAID. Even rattled or desperate, perhaps.

    Bottomline... We already have, apparently, one out of two rescues secured, and the higher-value VIP, at that. On our side, OVERALL, the previous combat went... decently. BUT. Most of our kills were via crits (Which, unless the build is crit-specc'd, pardon my saying so, we shouldn't count on.) And correct me if I'm wrong, most of our magickal resources are already almost tapped out, right?

    Eh... Okay. While we're airing ideas... Can either of y'all thunderbolt-flingers rejigger your spells to go off on a delayed fuse? Like... JUST as the doors open, zzwwoooooopp-BZWAAAKT in an omnidirectional blast like an arcan-o grenade?

    Wait. Enlighten the ignorant? ARE there stuff in the mechanics about REJIGGERING spells on the fly, or is that up to player initiative and GM consent?

    You're not wrong, but the idea is there if we want to use it. I still have most of my spells. I was getting his so much because I didn't actually use most of my defensive abilities. Got cocky.

    No, spells can't be delayed like that on the fly. There are a few spells that are delayed versions of weaker spells (Delayed Blast Fireball being the prime example) but it's absolutely not something we can do at will. Nor can spell mechanics be modified on the fly. The spells do what the spell says. Any other effect they have is the GM's doing but not normal or to be expected or assumed. Now, if you've got some idea that's in line with what we can do and the spells we have available, you're free to ask our GM if it'd be allowed, just don't assume yes.
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    Very well, then.

    Hokay. How about your... whatchamacallit... Arcane Pool thingy?

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    Very well, then.

    Hokay. How about your... whatchamacallit... Arcane Pool thingy?

    Gotcha.
    Mostly just lets me enchant Mae on the fly or boost my critical hits. Doesn't do anything for my spells. You'd need an Arcanist's Arcane Reservoir for that, but even then it's more limited than what you're after. What you're trying to do isn't a thing that works in Pathfinder. The Words of Power subsystem can sort of do it, but the system is abandoned and lacks major things. Spheres of Power can do it as well, but while I do enjoy the Spheres system, I'm not going to make Maggie learn it and have us swap over (plus it would make Setsuna a fair bit more powerful because it rewards specialization)

    Of course, if she volunteers it, I'll almost certainly use it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desril View Post
    Mostly just lets me enchant Mae on the fly or boost my critical hits. Doesn't do anything for my spells. You'd need an Arcanist's Arcane Reservoir for that, but even then it's more limited than what you're after. What you're trying to do isn't a thing that works in Pathfinder. The Words of Power subsystem can sort of do it, but the system is abandoned and lacks major things. Spheres of Power can do it as well, but while I do enjoy the Spheres system, I'm not going to make Maggie learn it and have us swap over (plus it would make Setsuna a fair bit more powerful because it rewards specialization)

    Of course, if she volunteers it, I'll almost certainly use it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miraqariftsky View Post
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    Words of Power is a Paizo published alternate magic system. Solid idea, horrible execution.

    Spheres of Power is a 3rd party product that has a replacement magic system. It's not flawless, it fixes a lot of the standard system's problems but has problems of its own. I enjoy it though. Bhaakon and I actually wrote (well, he wrote, mine hasn't been published yet) supplemental handbooks for it. It's an entire replacement magic system though, it's sort of a lot to explain in depth through a single post. There's a wiki with all the stuff for it freely available if you're so inclined.
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    Well, technically, metamagic is exactly the way to rejigger spells on the go in the default magic system. But then,

    1. One still needs an appropriate metamagic feat for the effect they want. Naya, for example, has one that lets all her spells do nonleathal damage.
    2. There is no feat that allows to make a spell delayed. (Or, ather, there is one on pfsrd, but it's third party)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamieth View Post
    Well, technically, metamagic is exactly the way to rejigger spells on the go in the default magic system. But then,

    1. One still needs an appropriate metamagic feat for the effect they want. Naya, for example, has one that lets all her spells do nonleathal damage.
    2. There is no feat that allows to make a spell delayed. (Or, ather, there is one on pfsrd, but it's third party)
    It's not really rejiggering them though, it's amplifying them in some way. There's no way to adjust how the spell behaves, not really.
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    No need for everyone to make the check, I'll let Naya warn us
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