EMPIRE2!-CWBG-VI-Save-The-Hufflepuffs!

[Kythia]

Also, a representative from the Firn is invited too.

Oh yeah, you'd mentioned that before. Sorry, I forgot. Will get on that now.

[HalfTangible]

You suck at most things. It would be...surprising if you were good at this.

You made me look competent at diplomacy after the debacle that was Lady Navus at Ember City, does that count?

But HT's colossal suckiness aside, I do think there would have been a difference if a)that was done from day one of his/my/whoever's time here and b)was a conscious and deliberate thing. Shrug.

B, I'll concede.

This is by far the most awkward silence that the game has endured.

C'mon guys, the game isn't dead yet.

Oh don't worry about it, this has happened before. Remember?(ber)(ber)(ber)(er)(er)(r))

*Flashback*

HT: "Kinda quiet this round."
Pepper: "Nah, stuff's going on in PMs and such."

*end flashback*

Could invitees please at least tell me if they are not coming?
That way, I would not have to wait. Also, a representative from the Firn is invited too.

Dimple, I'm sorry, but trying to invite people you're at war with (especially their leaders) into the middle of your territory is never gonna work because it screams 'trap'. If you genuinely wanted to arrange a peace, you would have needed to pick neutral ground.

[Kythia]

You made me look competent at diplomacy after the debacle that was Lady Navus at Ember City, does that count?

Before my time, I suspect. I don't know what the Ember City thing is or what diplomacy you're referring to. Sorry, lack of shared references here.

[HalfTangible]

Before my time, I suspect. I don't know what the Ember City thing is or what diplomacy you're referring to. Sorry, lack of shared references here.

In brief: Lady Navus wanted to form an alliance of the western nations to deal with foreign powers that could harm the west, particularly in the GEACS, Kalamhar and the Demense. She then proceeded to insult all present (some on purpose, others by accident), nearly convinced the League to break diplomatic ties entirely, (I must stress her goal was peace) and generally look like an incompetent moron.

Reading the thread becomes a comedy when one remembers I originally intended Lady Navus to be a master of diplomacy.

[DimpleLoamsdown]

Oh yeah, you'd mentioned that before. Sorry, I forgot. Will get on that now.

So your representative is a large magical ice statue? I am finding it hard to picture what the Larimps would be searching, soooo... does it have bags of some sort? People or other statues maybe? Does it melt when it touches warm water? If so, it might be a good idea to not proceed too far. If it melts in water slowly, then it might be okay. Not meant to be rude or anything.

[Kythia]

So your representative is a large magical ice statue? I am finding it hard to picture what the Larimps would be searching, soooo... does it have bags of some sort? People or other statues maybe? Does it melt when it touches warm water? If so, it might be a good idea to not proceed too far. If it melts in water slowly, then it might be okay. Not meant to be rude or anything.

No bags, no other statues. Probably would melt, yes. Honestly, I'm not sure why we're there, IC or OOC, so I haven't been like super-focused on sending an appropriate diplomat.

[DimpleLoamsdown]

No bags, no other statues. Probably would melt, yes. Honestly, I'm not sure why we're there, IC or OOC, so I haven't been like super-focused on sending an appropriate diplomat.

Jelha De wants to present himself as a peaceful figure, so he invited a newly born nation to come and get a good first impression on himself, so that their minds would not be polluted by stories of what his mother and sister have done.

A reminder for who is invited to my event. A check means that they have posted in my event, and an x means that they have stated that they are not coming.
•Niran Olygricht of the Crystal Union
•Queen Zellevera of the Crystal Union x
•Queen Yildiz vel Enas of Transfirliav
•Nonqaba Shoksa, Queen of Bees of the Izele Clans x
•Queen Paige, the Bloody of the Crystal Union✓
•Lady Spring of the Aeldir Rose Courts
•Emperor Cato Leonis
•A representative from the newly sprung up nation known as the Firn.✓

[woolli264]

Jelha De wants to present himself as a peaceful figure, so he invited a newly born nation to come and get a good first impression on himself, so that their minds would not be polluted by stories of what his mother and sister have done.

A reminder for who is invited to my event. A check means that they have posted in my event, and an x means that they have stated that they are not coming.
•Niran Olygricht of the Crystal Union
•Queen Zellevera of the Crystal Union x
•Queen Yildiz vel Enas of Transfirliav
•Nonqaba Shoksa, Queen of Bees of the Izele Clans
•Queen Paige, the Bloody of the Crystal Union✓
•Lady Spring of the Aeldir Rose Courts
•Emperor Cato Leonis
•A representative from the newly sprung up nation known as the Firn.✓

Put x's next to nonqaba as the Izele no longer exist, Emeror Cato and Lady Spring as they are your enemies and are also not dumb and Niran Olyricht as the Crystal Union has already sent representatives (though if m9 wants to come non mechanically that may happen)

[DimpleLoamsdown]

Put x's next to nonqaba as the Izele no longer exist, Emeror Cato and Lady Spring as they are your enemies and are also not dumb and Niran Olyricht as the Crystal Union has already sent representatives (though if m9 wants to come non mechanically that may happen)

I am ever hopeful that they will come, until they tell me directly that they are not.

[BootStrapTommy]

I am ever hopeful that they will come, until they tell me directly that they are not.

Peace treaties don't usually get made in the territory of one of the belligerents. They usually get made on neutral ground.

[DimpleLoamsdown]

Peace treaties don't usually get made in the territory of one of the belligerents. They usually get made on neutral ground.

Meh. At least its a start.

[woolli264]

Sorry about the military tables being updated. I decided that my chem lab was more important. They will likely come after this weekend cause of thanksgiving and all.

[HalfTangible]

Speaking of, on the CI/MS tables: In all likelihood that's gonna need to wait until at least tomorrow afternoon, more realistically Wednesday, due to school obligations and the fact that I don't have my regular computer in front of me right now. Sorry =(

[PepperP.]

Hey happy Thanksgiving to all our Canadian peeps!

I might come live with you next month.

[moossabi]

Hey happy Thanksgiving to all our Canadian peeps!

I might come live with you next month.

Isn't Thanksgiving next month?

I just googled it. I'm a dumb.

Also yeah I may be goin' up there too.

[Elemental]

Sorry for my own relative silence this week. I started playing SS13 again and it started devouring my life.


Anyways, in regard to the vote, I think we should absolutely excommunicate Moos, it's just the sensible thing to do. However, if that doesn't work, we should continue with E2 as I remain hopeful we can salvage this. I am confident Zayuz can come up with something to break up the power blocs if that's the main concern most people have and I will gladly schismatise the House of the Pale Lady if it makes everyone feel better.

If however, we do do Empire Three, then I propose that we adopt something on a smaller scale that is less about exploration and the growth of empires and more about regional politics and family feuds, sort of like the HRE or Roman Empire or something. It could be an interesting variation, especially if we ran with an elected emperor or some such thing. Dark would probably rig the election or something. Edit: Okay. He wouldn't so much as rig the elections as frighten the other electors into voting for him... Which is kind of the same thing.


Edit the second: Okay, I'm looking at the map, and apparently I own 325? I shouldn't as I haven't invaded it yet. I should however control 328, 329 and 332.

[DimpleLoamsdown]

Hey happy Thanksgiving to all our Canadian peeps!

I might come live with you next month.

I am pretty sure it is technically tomorrow.

[Kythia]

Elemental:

<snip>
2: [Military] Following the call of the Dei Empyrus, Jovana gathers a small force of her most skilled soldiers and marches north under the banner of The Lady to stamp out the Nifhel threat once and for all. No more shall the Fimbulvintr darken the lands of the North with its vile practices!
In short, dispatch two units to Nifhel (P5) under the command of Jovana de Altan. The following technologies will be used: Plated Mail, Heavy Unicorn Cavalry, Camp Surgeons, Ironwood Spears, Arbalests and Trebuchets for a total of +6 and -2 to losses. Jovana's Military score is ten.
<snip>
Jovana de Altan - 43

Diplomacy - 10
Military - 7
Curiosity - 6
Faith - 4

Some mistake there?

[Elemental]

Some mistake there?

The error to which you are referring does not exist, never has existed and never will exist. In short, shhhhh!

[Kythia]

My bad. blah blah blah

[PepperP.]

Hey Zayuz! Quick question. Did the unit losses cancel themselves out here with the -2 to losses? If not may I volunteer Mary to take those losses since it wasn't specified? Sorry Mary! (Not sorry.)

Defense Roll: 14
Military: 10 (Queen Raena, Ranger Caedmoor, Avonlea Commander)
5 Summer Courts Land Units
5 Stormlands Land Units
5 Avonlea Land Units
+6 from tech (Coldblood Alloy, Coldblood Arrows, Splint Mail, Lances, Medics and Mystics, Plated Mail, )
-2 Combat Losses

Total: 45

0 Units lost to size
2 Units lost in battle

[HalfTangible]

Barring any major changes, I'm attacking 136 and P18 (both are Crystal Union) and sending my troops to assist the Silver Horde in taking 429.

[moossabi]

Anyways, in regard to the vote, I think we should absolutely excommunicate Moos, it's just the sensible thing to do.

Hey, as long as nobody else votes to disband I'm fine with being excommunicated. I've got my own god in reserve, so I can just wipe out everyone who slighted me.

However, if that doesn't work, we should continue with E2 as I remain hopeful we can salvage this. I am confident Zayuz can come up with something to break up the power blocs if that's the main concern most people have and I will gladly schismatise the House of the Pale Lady if it makes everyone feel better.

If you blow up the Grand Church again it'll create enough of a war to sap both the Demesne's and the Empyrium's respective powers, clearing the way to ultimate victory for our lord and savior Quinton.

Never mind, found a more final solution.

If however, we do do Empire Three, then I propose that we adopt something on a smaller scale that is less about exploration and the growth of empires and more about regional politics and family feuds, sort of like the HRE or Roman Empire or something. It could be an interesting variation, especially if we ran with an elected emperor or some such thing. Dark would probably rig the election or something. Edit: Okay. He wouldn't so much as rig the elections as frighten the other electors into voting for him... Which is kind of the same thing.

I second this idea for when the time inevitably comes.

[HalfTangible]

Got around to the CI/MS tables. Problem.

Besnia and/or moosabi

[D] [D10] Make "Infrastructure of Loyalty" a permanent CI

The last CI I have for you in the spreadsheet is a regular CI by the name of 'Lifewalkers'. Now I recognize IoL as a name so I'm pretty sure it's still a thing, but did you make Lifewalkers permanent, or did it replace IoL? Can you point me to where you made Lifewalkers permanent, if so?

[moossabi]

Got around to the CI/MS tables. Problem.

Besnia and/or moosabi



The last CI I have for you in the spreadsheet is a regular CI by the name of 'Lifewalkers'. Now I recognize IoL as a name so I'm pretty sure it's still a thing, but did you make Lifewalkers permanent, or did it replace IoL? Can you point me to where you made Lifewalkers permanent, if so?

Changed it to IoL because their name sounded awful because they could no longer be trusted with any authority.

Can't find the exact round because I'm on mobile, but it was sometime towards the beginning of Phnalus' reign.

[TheDarkDM]

Posting this here as well for the benefit of people who might miss it in the IC.

Spoiler: An Ultimatum to the Crystal Union

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People of the Crystal Union.

Long have our peoples existed as uneasy neighbors, each of us tacitly accepting the presence of the other as a fact of life. We have clashed over territory, over trade, and over faith. But even in our darkest moments, the Aeldir never doubted that the leaders of the Crystal Union acted in the best interests of their people. That is no longer the case. Your rulers, your church, and your protectors have all fallen under the sway of their greatest foe. Where once there was peace, your mad queens have ushered in war. Where once there was a legacy of proud royalty, your new overlords build their power on a foundation of murder, betrayal, and theft. Where once the Crystal Union inspired hope and friendship, it inspires dread. Now you move to attack us without provocation or cause, declining even a declaration of war before the pursuit of mad ambition. This tragedy is one we cannot abide, but it is one we would see ended. If the following demands are met, no further blood need be spilled:

• Lord Summer Egan Maelog will be returned unharmed to the Rose Demesne alongside his panoply.
• The leaders of the Crystal Union, Queen Zellevera, Queen Paige, and Niran Olygricht will surrender themselves and their advisers to the Rose Demesne to face justice for their crimes.
• The Crystal Union will surrender the territories of Ellosis, Reinein, Lenthe, Folnen, and Alithis to the Dukes of the Grey Drieduch, that they might prosper under the true defenders of the Eternal Soul.
• The Crystal Union will surrender the territories of Arendar and Golyater to the Hagiarchy of Besina.
• The Crystal Union will surrender the territories of Mizalna and the Veylands to the Kingdom of the Stormlands, in recompense for their cowardly and unprovoked attack.
• The Crystal Union will surrender the territories Portent and Alammus to the Kingdom of Koya.
• The remaining territories of the Crystal Union will surrender to the oversight of the Rose Demesne, that their vacant thrones might be filled with wise, able leaders to wash away the stain of the past few years.

This war will not end in victory for your regicidal leaders. It can only end in their defeat, but their defeat need not be your own. The people of the Crystal Union have a choice - to embrace the darkness that would snuff them out or to light candles against the night. These demands we send to your leaders, not in the hope that they will acquiesce, but in the hope that you will rise up and force them to become a reality. This is the moment of your salvation, and to turn it away is to invite the apocalypse of our wrath.

[HalfTangible]

Ah okay, found it.

And done.

Regarding a potential E3: While playing a noble house within an empire would be very interesting, it strikes me as a different sort of game than Empire. I do think that a smaller, more focused area would help though - the exploration isn't the fun part of Empire, the world politics are. Fewer territories or a way to grab more at the start would lead to such imo.

Perhaps we could shrink the game's scope down to one continent? Make it a peninsula a la Europe and a navy would still be very useful.

[PepperP.]

Ah okay, found it.

And done.

Regarding a potential E3: While playing a noble house within an empire would be very interesting, it strikes me as a different sort of game than Empire. I do think that a smaller, more focused area would help though - the exploration isn't the fun part of Empire, the world politics are. Fewer territories or a way to grab more at the start would lead to such imo.

Perhaps we could shrink the game's scope down to one continent? Make it a peninsula a la Europe and a navy would still be very useful.

This was all pretty much brought up in the podcast! It will be up tomorrow.

[moossabi]

I am the single biggest idiot in history.

4.[Diplomacy]Attend the Grand Ball of Anceris

Spoiler: Sub-Actions

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To Besina we grant:

• Splint Mail
• Daen Axes
• Long Haul Caravans
• Celestial Navigation
• Courier System
• Meritocratic Selection Method
• Illuminated Manuscripts

News and Rumours

• As a show of friendship and sincerity, Queen Aris shares Avonlea's wealth of technological advancements with the Hagiarchy of Besina.

And what do I do?

Not send a receiver mook and instead not spend my sixth action.

'Twas a sad misplay for the Hagiarchy.

EDIT: Can I retroactively change my attendance action for the event that wasn't mechanically an actual event to have done all that stuff with a mook at the ball?

[EtuBrutus]

Regarding a potential E3: While playing a noble house within an empire would be very interesting, it strikes me as a different sort of game than Empire. I do think that a smaller, more focused area would help though - the exploration isn't the fun part of Empire, the world politics are. Fewer territories or a way to grab more at the start would lead to such imo.

Perhaps we could shrink the game's scope down to one continent? Make it a peninsula a la Europe and a navy would still be very useful.

I feel like the competing families within a disunited Empire actually seems cool, assuming a Carolingian Empire or Roman Empire size. Assume a specific cosmology of the world, and we Faith our various branches of henotheism.

Elections occured, HRE style, for the emperor, people infight within the empire, vying to control and dominate it, and iccasionally the GM throws us threats that take place at the empire's borders, and introduce religions not of our henotheism, and cultural migrations from off map.

It would all work within the game's current frame work.