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    Default Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXXI

    A dimly-lit library. Rows of bookshelves line the walls, and as the camera slowly pans over them, we see that they are filled with gaming books. From the original brown-cover D&D manuals to the newest fifth edition supplements, we are given a brief but breathtaking history of over four decades of gaming in visual form.

    A pair of feet, clad in Converse, appear. The camera pans back to reveal the Chairwoman as she strides out into Optimization Stadium. Slowly, she looks around at the battleground. Rapidly, we are shown shots of the gaming materials here assembled: books, miniatures, maps, dice. The Chairwoman reaches down and picks up a twenty-sided die. She rolls it, then turns to the camera... and smiles.

    The camera pulls back from the smile to reveal... the Iron Gamers. Row upon row they stand, clad in the uniform of their trade: t-shirts with fantasy images, buttons with obscure quotes from novels and movies, dice bags at the ready. The shot dissolves into flames and the logo:


    Iron Gamer

    A montage of the contestants plays, with summaries of their optimization triumphs and achievements. Interspersed are brief interviews. Finally, though, the introductions are over. The contestants stand arrayed before the Chairwoman.

    Chairwoman: We unveil the ingredient!

    Tense music plays as the pedestal containing the mystery ingredient rises from below. Stacked neatly on the pedestal are copies of Shattered Gates of Slaughtergarde.

    Chairwoman: This month's theme is... Serene Guardian! ALLEZ OPTIMISER!

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    Welcome, contestants, judges, and guests to Iron Chef LXIX. Here in Optimisation Colosseum, contestants will endeavour to create an optimized and flavourful character using a specified D&D3.5 prestige class as a "Secret Ingredient".

    Contestants: You will need to present a full 20-level build for your entry. Also required is a rundown of how your build works at lower levels, to demonstrate that it is a functional character that could be played from 1-20 in a real game. Traditionally contestants give "snapshots" of tactics and abilities at levels 5, 10, 15, and 20, as well as a "sweet spot" of their choosing that represents what they believe to be the high point of the build. The purpose of these snapshots is not just to showcase your use of the SI, it is to demonstrate that your character is playable at every level. For this reason, it's still worth giving a snapshot before you have entered the SI.

    Menu: The "special ingredient" can be drawn from any legal source. Originally, the plan was to mostly use Core and Completes, but that was a long time ago, and we've started running out of interesting classes to use if we restrict ourselves to those.
    32 point-buy is the presumed creation method, but we have generally allowed other levels of point-buy.
    If you do use a different point-buy, please make your case for its necessity in your entry. Keep in mind that for using exceptionally large or small point-buys may warrant deductions in elegance and/or power.

    Kitchen: Competitors will be free to use any official 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon magazine is disallowed, and Unearthed Arcana is allowed; but see Elegance below. Web-exclusive 3.0 or 3.5 materials by WotC are expressly allowed, but take care to verify that an updated version did not appear in print elsewhere, as this may cause an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion. Alternate rule systems from UA such as gestalt or Generic Classes are not allowed, as they create a different playing field. Also, item familiars are forbidden because I hate 'em. Please refrain from using Taint unless it's necessary for the Secret Ingredient.
    NB: Official Errata and 3.5 updates to 3.0 content are considered valid regardless of whether their sources would otherwise be legal. This includes the 3.5 update of Oriental Adventures given in Dragon Magazine, and the 3.5 updates of Dragonlance Campaign Setting content given in later third party Dragonlance books.

    Cooking Time: Contestants will have until 07:59 GMT on Tuesday, October 18th, 2016 to create their builds and PM them to the Chairwoman, Heliomance. Please put the name of your build in the subject line of your PM. Builds will then be posted simultaneously, to avoid copying. Judges will have until 07:59 GMT on Tuesday, November 1st, 2016 to judge the builds and submit their scores. If no judges have scored by that point, only the scores of the first judge to submit will be counted.

    Judging: Judging will be based on the following criteria, with each build rated on a scale from 1 (very poor) to 5 (exemplary) in each area: Originality, Power, Elegance, Use of Secret Ingredient.
    Power level is up to you. Cheese is acceptable, but should be kept to a sane level unless you're showcasing a new TO build you've discovered. In the words of one of my predecessors, a little cheddar can be nice, but avoid the mature Gruyere unless you're making a cheese fondue.
    Elegance could bear a little elaboration. It basically measures how skillfully you put your build together, and whether you sacrificed flavor for power. We're cooking here - if your dish doesn't taste good, it doesn't matter how well-presented it is. Use of flaws is considered in poor taste, and judges are asked to take a dim view of this option, taking it into account while grading. Other things that will cause penalties here are excessive multi-classing, and classes that don't fit the concept - using Cloistered Cleric in a front-line melee fighter, for example, will lose you points.Please note the following change: a legal source's relative obscurity should not be considered as penalizing Elegance, excepting the aforementioned issues with Unearthed Arcana. Using too many sources may result in a penalty to Elegance at the judges' discretion, but a book's relative obscurity may not. In that same vein, drawing solely from the Core 3 (and the d20 SRD) should not be punished for lacking Originality.
    Presentation: Builds will be posted anonymously, in order to avoid the potential of bias towards a particular competitor. For this reason, please don't put your name in the build, as I'm likely to miss it when reviewing the entries!
    Due to concerns about standardizing entry format, I'd like everyone to try to use the following table for their entry.
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    NAME OF ENTRY
    Level Class Base Attack Bonus Fort Save Ref Save Will Save Skills Feats Class Features
    1st New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    2nd New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    3rd New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    4th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    5th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    6th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    7th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    8th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    9th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    10th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    11th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    12th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    13th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    14th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    15th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    16th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    17th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    18th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    19th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    20th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities

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    [table="class: head alt1 alt2"]
    [tr]
    [th][B]Level[/B][/th]
    [th][B]Class[/B][/th]
    [th][B]Base Attack Bonus[/B][/th]
    [th][B]Fort Save[/B][/th]
    [th][B]Ref Save[/B][/th]
    [th][B]Will Save[/B][/th]
    [th][B]Skills[/B][/th]
    [th][B]Feats[/B][/th]
    [th][B]Class Features[/B][/th]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]1st[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]2nd[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]3rd[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]4th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]5th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]6th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]7th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]8th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]9th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]10th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]11th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]12th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]13th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]14th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]15th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]16th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]17th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]18th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]19th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]20th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [/table]

    For entries with spellcasting, use the following table for Spells per day and Spells Known. (Spells Known only if necessary, i.e. Sorcerer or Bard, but not Wizard or Warmage)
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    Spells per Day/Spells Known
    Spells per Day/Spells Known
    Level 0lvl 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th
    1st - - - - - - - - - -
    2nd - - - - - - - - - -
    3rd - - - - - - - - - -
    4th - - - - - - - - - -
    5th - - - - - - - - - -
    6th - - - - - - - - - -
    7th - - - - - - - - - -
    8th - - - - - - - - - -
    9th - - - - - - - - - -
    10th - - - - - - - - - -
    11th - - - - - - - - - -
    12th - - - - - - - - - -
    13th - - - - - - - - - -
    14th - - - - - - - - - -
    15th - - - - - - - - - -
    16th - - - - - - - - - -
    17th - - - - - - - - - -
    18th - - - - - - - - - -
    19th - - - - - - - - - -
    20th - - - - - - - - - -
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    [B]Spells per Day/Spells Known[/B]
    [B]Spells per Day/Spells Known[/B]
    [table="class:head alt1 alt2"]
    [tr]
    [th][B]Level[/B][/th]
    [th][B]0lvl[/B][/th]
    [th][B]1st[/B][/th]
    [th][B]2nd[/B][/th]
    [th][B]3rd[/B][/th]
    [th][B]4th[/B][/th]
    [th][B]5th[/B][/th]
    [th][B]6th[/B][/th]
    [th][B]7th[/B][/th]
    [th][B]8th[/B][/th]
    [th][B]9th[/B][/th]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]1st[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]2nd[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]3rd[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]4th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]5th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]6th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]7th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]8th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]9th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]10th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]11th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]12th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]13th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]14th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
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    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
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    [td]-[/td]
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    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]15th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
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    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]16th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
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    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]17th[/td]
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    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]18th[/td]
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    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]19th[/td]
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    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]20th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [/table]

    For other systems (Psionics, ToB, Incarnum, etc.) keep track of PP/maneuvers/essentia separately, preferably in a nice neat list.
    Speculation: Please don't post or speculate on possible builds until the "reveal," in order to avoid spoiling the surprise if a particular competitor is producing a build along those lines.

    Leadership is banned; we're producing a meal, not a seven-course banquet for a hundred diners. If your entry includes a prestige class or ACF that grants Leadership or a Leadership-like ability as a bonus feat, the feat should be ignored and is not eligible to be traded away for another feat or ACF through any means.

    So! Who wants to sign up as a contestant, and who wants to sign up as a judge? Looking for as many contestants and judges as feel like playing!

    We will award 1st through 3rd places, as well as a shout-out for honourable mention. The honourable mention prize is given to the most daring or unexpected build. Judges, contestants and guests alike are invited to vote for honourable mention via PM. If there are no votes, Honourable Mention will go to the chairwoman's favourite build.

    The Builds

    Past Competitions

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    Iron Chef I: Entropomancer
    Iron Chef II: Psibond Agent
    Iron Chef III: Cancer Mage
    Iron Chef IV: Stonelord
    Iron Chef V: War Chanter
    Iron Chef VI: Master of Masks
    Iron Chef VII: Green Star Adept
    Iron Chef VIII: Pyrokineticist
    Iron Chef IX: Animal Lord
    Iron Chef X: Mythic Exemplar
    Iron Chef XI: Blade Bravo
    Iron Chef XII: War Mind
    Iron Chef XIII: Vigilante
    Iron Chef XIV: Seeker of the Song
    Iron Chef XV: Drunken Master
    Iron Chef XVI: Assassin
    Iron Chef XVII: Ardent Dilettante
    Iron Chef XVIII: Unseelie Dark Hunter
    Iron Chef XIX: Dread Pirate
    Iron Chef XX: Incandescent Champion
    Iron Chef XXI: Ghostwalker
    Iron Chef XXII: Dervish
    Iron Chef XXIII: Divine Crusader
    Iron Chef XXIV: Tactical Soldier
    Iron Chef XXV: Scion of Tem-Et-Nu
    Iron Chef XXVI: Shadowdancer
    Iron Chef XXVII: Mindbender
    Iron Chef XXVIII: Cryokineticist
    Iron Chef XXIX: Consecrated Harrier
    Iron Chef XXX: Initiate of Pistis Sophia
    Iron Chef XXXI: Shadow Sentinel
    Iron Chef XXXII: Temple Raider of Olidammara
    Iron Chef XXXIII: Drow Judicator
    Iron Chef XXXIV: Dragon Disciple
    Iron Chef XXXV: Death Delver
    Iron Chef XXXVI: Acolyte of the Skin
    Iron Chef XXXVII: Justiciar
    Iron Chef XXXVIII: Hand of the Winged Master
    Iron Chef XXXIX: Renegade Mastermaker
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    FAQ:
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    Q: Is Dragon Compendium Allowed?
    A: Yes (as well as its Errata), but individual issues of Dragon Magazine are not.

    Q: What about 3.0 materials?
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    Q: What about online sources in general?
    A: If the online source is a) published by WotC, and b) not replaced by an updated version at a later time, it is eligible. Use it, link it.

    Q: Where's the line drawn with "acceptable/unacceptable" for Unearthed Arcana? This will likely vary a bit from Chairman to Chairman. Item Familiars and Gestalt have always been verboten, since before IC migrated to GitP; don't expect that to change. Flaws have similarly always been noted as warranting a deduction; while I am Chairman, I'm extending that to Traits, though they warrant 1/2 the penalty in Elegance that a Flaw would because they're roughly 1/2 as useful. Alternate spell systems, alternate skill systems and alternate crafting rules all create an uneven playing field, and as such, will be disallowed for as long as I am Chairman. In a similar vein, LA buyoff and fractional BAB are also disallowed. Bloodlines and the Retraining options presented in the PHB2 are ripe for abuse, and will be strongly discouraged as long as I am Chairman. Note that judges are allowed to look askance at any use of Unearthed Arcana not specifically mentioned above, at their discretion, and otherwise penalize Elegance according to their preference.

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    A: As folks have started to try to work around the edges of this one, I'm forced to spell it out more plainly. No Leadership, Draconic Cohort, or Feats that grant a similar ability are allowed EXCEPT Wild Cohort while Heliomance is chairman. Any PrC you choose with Leadership or a Leadership-analog has that ability entirely ignored for this contest, as it may neither be used nor traded away via any means whatsoever.

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    A: There is no official policy on how much equipment you should list. Historically, judges have frowned upon "item dependent" builds, but unfortunately the definition of that has been applied to mean anything from builds that don't function if you remove one very specific item, to builds that so much as mention a particular weapon. Builds that don't list gear should be assumed to buy useful generics - items to boost their primary stats, cloaks of resistance, appropriate magical weapons and armour, and so forth. If a build would find particular items useful, they should be listed, but experience suggests that the more generic you keep them, the more favourably judges are likely to look upon them, as a build being shut down because the Thundering Bagpipes of Urist McTrumpetbritches were unavailable is considered a weakness. Similarly, requiring items in order to be able to qualify for things tends to be frowned upon.

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    Other general things that are no longer allowed:
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    • Deciding that a backstory has not met a fluff prerequisite well enough, or because its method of meeting it is "unrealistic". You may penalise if a fluff prereq is not addressed at all, but not for how well it is addressed.


    Note that these are protections, not licenses. Deliberately taking a feat that you know you don't qualify for hoping to just suck up the judging penalty for a feat that you couldn't normally take is not okay, and may lead to your build being disqualified.


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    Well, at least it's not Solar Channeler...
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    Very interesting choice! I recall going through that book recently and looking at the options in there... I remember looking at Serene Guardian, and thinking to myself that I'd love to see what some Iron Chefs could do with this.

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    Well, at least it's not Solar Channeler...
    I thought that one would be more likely as an ingredient, since it's so gawdawfully sparse on... well, pretty much everything.

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    Wow.... great SI, Heliomance. Horrible in a unique way, plenty to work with. Hope I find the time to cook.
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    Any idea on how we want to handle the Affiliation Score? 9 is required, but most of the positive modifiers depend on the PC doing something specific in Slaughtergarde. If we're trying to build a character without any setting-specific material, then it's not really possible to enter this PrC without 17 or 18 class levels under your belt.

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    I had forgotten this class existed. At least it's not solar channeler.
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    Asking a potentially dumb question in order to get clarification for criteria:

    The last sentence under 'Monk Advancement or Bonus Feat' on page 8 of SGoS specifies "from among the allowed fighter bonus feats (PH 38)." Are Serene Guardians restricted to the Players Handbook in selecting bonus feats? One valid reading of the preceding would say 'yes.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amphetryon View Post
    The last sentence under 'Monk Advancement or Bonus Feat' on page 8 of SGoS specifies "from among the allowed fighter bonus feats (PH 38)." Are Serene Guardians restricted to the Players Handbook in selecting bonus feats? One valid reading of the preceding would say 'yes.'
    No. Subsequent sourcebooks that add [Fighter] bonus feats also effectively add them to the list of fighter bonus feats listed in the PHB.

    At least, that'd be my ruling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrin View Post
    No. Subsequent sourcebooks that add [Fighter] bonus feats also effectively add them to the list of fighter bonus feats listed in the PHB.

    At least, that'd be my ruling.
    Mine also.

    Affiliation score is possibly a tricky one, I don't actually have SGoS and I don't know how Affliation works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliomance View Post
    Affiliation score is possibly a tricky one, I don't actually have SGoS and I don't know how Affliation works.
    Basically, you do stuff for an organization and gain affiliation points that cause you to increase in rank. Every new rank gives you more benefits.
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    I have thoughts on this. Really going to try getting an entry in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dire_Stirge View Post
    Basically, you do stuff for an organization and gain affiliation points that cause you to increase in rank. Every new rank gives you more benefits.
    Here's an excerpt of the positive modifiers (Fair Use):

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    Cleric or paladin of good-aligned deity, +1
    Discover Slaughtergarde laboratory, +1
    Prevent further access to Slaughtergarde laboratory, +1
    Defeat wererats infiltrating Sumberton, +1
    Destroy the altars in the Slaughtergarde temple, +1
    Destroy the gate in the Slaughtergarde armory, +3

    The book is supposed to cover levels 1-6, so presumably after a PC successfully completes the module, they would be rewarded with an opportunity to enter Serene Guardian as a member of the Luminous Order. As mentioned on page 17:

    "As the characters earn affiliation points, they gain access to spells, magic items, and powerful weapons. By the time they reach the end of Shattered Gates of Slaughtergarde, the PCs might be able to join prestige classes detailed in the Player's Guide."

    So long as there's at least a cursory mention of Slaughtergarde in a submission's backstory, I think we can assume they have earned enough affiliation points to enter Serene Guardian.

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    Huh. This class is actually pretty neat. It's definitely got some fairly glaring flaws, but it's a neat concept—it reminds me of Legend, actually, which is a pretty high honor in my book. (I'm specifically thinking of the [Imbalance] mechanic from Discipline of the Serpent C6 and of the whole Iron Magi track.) I mean, it's definitely less elegant than anything in Legend, but I like that it's actually a mechanic you don't see much of in 3.5.

    Question: what's the save DC on Confounding Release? It's "as the spell," so there's going to be a Will Negates aspect to it, because nothing says that that wouldn't be the case. The spell, of course, appears at different levels on different lists, so even assuming 10 + spell level (and possibly + stat; Confounding Release doesn't give a stat, even though Soul Release does) isn't actually definitive.

    Second question: Is the line saying "you usually need to make a full attack to create resonance, but a single attack followed by a successful attack of opportunity also allows you to do so" descriptive or prescriptive? I hope that it's descriptive (by which I mean that anything that allows you to invoke multiple sources of damage will trigger resonance, not only full attacks or single attacks + AoOs, which are just examples), but I feel like it wouldn't hurt to get a ruling in place before we get too deep into things.

    For reference, the table with sources of affiliation is on pg. 17. There's basically two plot-independent ways of increasing your affiliation score (you get a +1 if you're a Cleric or Paladin of a good-aligned deity, and you get a +1 per 2 levels you have), and everything else relies on you doing things related to the plot of the module. Not sure what the most elegant way to handle that is, but I'm sure we can come up with something.
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    I suppose it was time we got to this one. At least it's full BA...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaq View Post
    Question: what's the save DC on Confounding Release? It's "as the spell," so there's going to be a Will Negates aspect to it, because nothing says that that wouldn't be the case. The spell, of course, appears at different levels on different lists, so even assuming 10 + spell level (and possibly + stat; Confounding Release doesn't give a stat, even though Soul Release does) isn't actually definitive.
    It's an (Su) ability, so the MM (page 315) covers this:

    "The saving throw (if any) against a supernatural ability is 10 + 1/2 the creature's HD + the creature’s ability modifier (usually Charisma)."

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    Second question: Is the line saying "you usually need to make a full attack to create resonance, but a single attack followed by a successful attack of opportunity also allows you to do so" descriptive or prescriptive?
    If I understand your wording, it's descriptive. If you can make additional attacks outside your turn but still within the same round, then it counts for creating resonance.

    I have some questions about bleed damage, acid flasks, Arterial Strike, and so forth. If an attack has an effect that continues to do damage on subsequent rounds count for the purposes of resonance? If so, how exactly is this damage grouped? Arterial Strike, for example, stacks with itself, but if you hit an enemy 3 times on round 1, and then he takes 3 damage on round 2, is that one 3-point hit or three 1-point hits?

    My inclination would be "damage is as damage does", so damage on subsequent rounds should count toward resonance, but multiple bleeding damage from the same source should only count once.

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    Took a quick look at the class, spent over an hour fiddling with a build, took a second look a the class, realized perhaps the biggest problem with it and the fact that there is exactly one way in the system to get around it, and then finally decided that maybe I'm just not up for this.

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    This PrC basically throws a giant "not allowed" sign at my first inclination towards synergy with the features it grants.
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    Yeah, there's definitely a key flaw in the mechanics. Still, on the surface at least, it seems like a class that's fairly well-suited for Iron Chef. After all, it's got an interesting core mechanic that (mostly) plays nicely with other aspects of the character, it does offer a unique trick that most other classes can't automatically replicate (even if that trick isn't necessarily a showstopper), and it's not soul-grindingly difficult to enter.

    I mean, for all I know, I might be cursing this class's very name by the time this is all over, but at first pass, this looks like a fun ingredient. I think the biggest obstacle will be defending why it's actually more valuable to use resonance than it is to, you know, get more levels in a less finicky class, but that's part of what makes Iron Chef what it is, no?

    I did come up with a slightly gimmicky trick to use, but on closer inspection, it doesn't actually work the way I thought it did, which is a shame.
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    I like that we're all talking about exactly the same thing and we know it.

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    I like that we're all talking about exactly the same thing and we know it.
    I'm confused then... are you talking about (Su) requires a standard action to activate? I don't think that's the case here, as the wording "Whenever you deal damage" appears to mean it piggy-backs on any action that can cause damage.

    I suppose we should get a Chair ruling on that, just so everyone is clear on how Resonance is supposed to work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrin View Post
    I'm confused then... are you talking about (Su) requires a standard action to activate? I don't think that's the case here, as the wording "Whenever you deal damage" appears to mean it piggy-backs on any action that can cause damage.

    I suppose we should get a Chair ruling on that, just so everyone is clear on how Resonance is supposed to work?
    I think he means we're all thinking of the same trick to render resonance actually usable.

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    Asking a potentially dumb question in order to get clarification for criteria:

    The last sentence under 'Monk Advancement or Bonus Feat' on page 8 of SGoS specifies "from among the allowed fighter bonus feats (PH 38)." Are Serene Guardians restricted to the Players Handbook in selecting bonus feats? One valid reading of the preceding would say 'yes.'

    related to this feature, it says if you're a monk you can choose monk advancement, and if you're not, you can pick a fighter feat. if you're a monk, are you allowed to pick a free feat instead of advancement?
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    I've got the greatest of ideas, and I don't think anyone else is going to come up with it. Let us begin the cooking!
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    In the interests of being perfectly clear:

    at 5th level you can get a foe three times for 2 points of resonance. Are we to understand that this is the limit per round, and there's no extrapolating (4 times for 3 points, etc)?
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    at 5th level you can get a foe three times for 2 points of resonance. Are we to understand that this is the limit per round, and there's no extrapolating (4 times for 3 points, etc)?
    Yes, the text uses the phrasing "two or more" and "three or more", so multiple hits on the same target produce only a fixed number of resonance points per round for that target.

    However, as I understand it, hitting multiple enemies should incur resonance in each enemy. For example, I have six attacks and hit goblin#1 three times, and hit goblin#2 three times, then both goblins get resonance points.

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    However, as I understand it, hitting multiple enemies should incur resonance in each enemy. For example, I have six attacks and hit goblin#1 three times, and hit goblin#2 three times, then both goblins get resonance points.
    That's a valid reading, though the phrasing of 'a target' without any 'or targets' rider could be read as limiting Resonance to a single target per round. Additionally, note the 'can only release Resonance in one target at a time' restriction.
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    Interesting ingredient! Assuming my extremely hectic real life allows, I'll try my hand at an entry.

    I was lucky enough to pick up a PDF of SGoS when it was free for one day at DriveThruRPG.

    I've played through the adventure and quite enjoyed it. The Cleric in our group was aiming for one of the other PrCs in the module.

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    Interesting ingredient! Assuming my extremely hectic real life allows, I'll try my hand at an entry.

    I was lucky enough to pick up a PDF of SGoS when it was free for one day at DriveThruRPG.

    I've played through the adventure and quite enjoyed it. The Cleric in our group was aiming for one of the other PrCs in the module.
    good luck!

    I hope for his sake it wasn't solar channeler.
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    good luck!

    I hope for his sake it wasn't solar channeler.
    Yeah, it was. I play in a mostly low op group, and this player in particular always values fluff over crunch.

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