Community Tiering for all 3.5 Base Classes

[Grod_The_Giant]

To be fair, I guess it is easier for new players to move their character than for them to flank an enemy.

And to survive flanking your enemy with a d6 hit die. The Scout is a little sturdier and a little easier to use as an archer.

(Not that this discussion is terribly important; they're clearly both T4 classes)

[Troacctid]

That is a fair point.

[flare'90]

Hey, it's page 50. Jorm, the vote will continue in the next thread right?

[Jormengand]

Hey, it's page 50. Jorm, the vote will continue in the next thread right?

Yes, come and join us in the new thread.

[DrDeth]

Archivist: 1

The Archivist is a... well, frankly, downright broken class. At its worst, it's more or less identical to a Wizard in terms of power level. Theoretically, it's the most powerful class in the game outside of infinite loops, as it can access every spell in the game and cast the entire list spontaneously (outside of the scope of a tier list, obviously, but in case you were curious, Hathran+Acorn of Far Travel shenanigans). On a more reasonable general play level, it's literally just a spellbook Cleric with some poached goodies outside of the normal cleric list (probably from the Paladin list, also known as the "great spells, just a little late and not enough of them" list, which is less of a problem for the Archivist), and that's textbook tier 1 territory.


Aristocrat: 5

Aristocrat has one very specific niche at which it's okay - social interactions - but not great - that'd be a Beguiler or a Bard - and is utterly useless outside of that without heavy investment, and that should strike you as being suspiciously similar to the way the Fighter is described. Literally, replace "social interactions" with "hitting things" and "Beguiler or Bard" with "Barbarian or [Book of Weeaboo Fightan' Magic class]." I feel like that makes it a fairly obvious 5.

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I agree, Look, I know some guys think that the Archivist, due to some shenanigans, loose wording and a VERY tolerant DM can access every spell, but I have never seen anyone try.

Aristo is interesting as a first level background class.