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    Or a continuous item of Calm Emotions.
    Anyways, equipment isn't my strong suit, but aren't there examples of special equipment for hot-blooded creatures such as Efreeti and Fire Giants somewhere? Considering how many examples of fiery creatures there are in D&D, I would have to imagine somewhere there would be a fire-proofing trait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waker View Post
    Or a continuous item of Calm Emotions.
    Anyways, equipment isn't my strong suit, but aren't there examples of special equipment for hot-blooded creatures such as Efreeti and Fire Giants somewhere? Considering how many examples of fiery creatures there are in D&D, I would have to imagine somewhere there would be a fire-proofing trait.
    Here's the thing though, other creatures only have single dice of fire damage from their heat. This works with game mechanics (because of RAW says it doesn't hurt stuff they wield) because that much fire damage never beats metal's hardness. This is WAY more heat than even elementals/ outsiders give off.

    I THINK AAEG had talc armor which had energy resistance (but is also softer than chalk) and I thought I saw asbestos items in one of the books, but an asbestos mouthpick weapon is certain to have its own problems.
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    Are there any enhancements that grant fire resistance? Perhaps they'd help?
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielxcutter View Post
    Are there any enhancements that grant fire resistance? Perhaps they'd help?
    8d6 worth? Probably cheaper to go for fire immunity at that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by No brains View Post
    Here's the thing though, other creatures only have single dice of fire damage from their heat. This works with game mechanics (because of RAW says it doesn't hurt stuff they wield) because that much fire damage never beats metal's hardness. This is WAY more heat than even elementals/ outsiders give off.

    I THINK AAEG had talc armor which had energy resistance (but is also softer than chalk) and I thought I saw asbestos items in one of the books, but an asbestos mouthpick weapon is certain to have its own problems.
    Yeah. You'd need Hardness 24 or better to always ignore the damage. The only way to get that is through magical enhancement of a material Hardness 12 or better (Mithral, Adamantium, possibly applying specific craftsmanship templates to iron/steel - dwarvencraft, maybe), or by using Obdurium from the Stronghold Builder's Guide which is Hardness 30.
    Or sufficient energy resistance, but still.
    You can probably do that with weapons, armor (though you'd need serious help getting armor on - and that help would need fire immunity), and some kinds of magic items. But most items would probably take a lot of DM bribery - and custom commissioning of said items.



    8d6 fire damage to everything touching your body is enough to cause serious problems. And not just for your own equipment.
    It also means that any partymember trying to give you touch-range buffs needs fire immunity or a lot of fire resistance. Or if they're trying to use healing magic on you. Or if they're trying to help you don armor, or if they're doing anything that involves any sort of physical contact (like taking measurements for the creation of your custom equipment).
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    Riverine works (Stormwrack), but is very expensive.

    There's also that self repairing metal from BoED...Aurorum. Actually, looking it up, seems to only self repair when Sundered.

    Alchemical Gold, Dlarun & Fever Iron (MoF) all grant fire resistance. The fluff for Fever Iron would imply that it may be immune to fire damage, but this isn't RAW.

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    You can always take levels in soulknife/shadowsmith/pyrokineticist and wield conjured semi-real weapons. /s
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    Roc


    Rocs are giant birds. No, I'm not going to come up with any witticisms for the overgrown songbird.

    They have 18 animal HD. I encourage you to try and remember when the phrase '18 animal HD' was ever followed by a LA of +0 or more. Sure, rocs are strong and tough, but their fly speed is so-so, they don't have any natural ability to wield weapons or use objects, and they just plain don't have anything that makes them worth playing.

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    So if you want to play one of these critters at all, you need one with a zen-like attitude, or at least strong control of his emotions.
    Remorhaz Monk, anyone?

    I dunno, I'm racking my brain trying to make this thing work as a PC of any description, but the RHD and the heat effect combine to kill every concept I can come up with.
    It's not a terrible idea. Remorhazes would make decent grapplers, assuming that heat damage automatically applied to those it grappled (and good luck arguing that it doesn't). Meanwhile, monks should be less-affected by the curse of heat. The lack of buffing items would stink, but there's always Vow of Poverty for your truly holier-than-thou fire-centipede.
    (The fact that VoP monk is probably one of the most viable builds for this guy isn't speaking well of it.)
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    Roc


    Rocs are giant birds. No, I'm not going to come up with any witticisms for the overgrown songbird.

    They have 18 animal HD. I encourage you to try and remember when the phrase '18 animal HD' was ever followed by a LA of +0 or more. Sure, rocs are strong and tough, but their fly speed is so-so, they don't have any natural ability to wield weapons or use objects, and they just plain don't have anything that makes them worth playing.

    -0 LA.
    Slightly off-topic, but how are they as ordinary encounters? Compared to their CR, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatWyrmGold View Post
    It's not a terrible idea. Remorhazes would make decent grapplers, assuming that heat damage automatically applied to those it grappled (and good luck arguing that it doesn't). Meanwhile, monks should be less-affected by the curse of heat. The lack of buffing items would stink, but there's always Vow of Poverty for your truly holier-than-thou fire-centipede.
    (The fact that VoP monk is probably one of the most viable builds for this guy isn't speaking well of it.)
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    Roc


    Rocs are giant birds. No, I'm not going to come up with any witticisms for the overgrown songbird.

    They have 18 animal HD. I encourage you to try and remember when the phrase '18 animal HD' was ever followed by a LA of +0 or more. Sure, rocs are strong and tough, but their fly speed is so-so, they don't have any natural ability to wield weapons or use objects, and they just plain don't have anything that makes them worth playing.

    -0 LA.
    Yep. Rocs are LA -0. They'd be LA -0 as Magical Beasts. They'd be LA -0 no matter what creature type they had.

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    Slightly off-topic, but how are they as ordinary encounters? Compared to their CR, of course.
    They're CR 9. They've got no special abilities.
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    [CENTER]Roc

    Rocs are giant birds. No, I'm not going to come up with any witticisms for the overgrown songbird.

    They have 18 animal HD. I encourage you to try and remember when the phrase '18 animal HD' was ever followed by a LA of +0 or more. Sure, rocs are strong and tough, but their fly speed is so-so, they don't have any natural ability to wield weapons or use objects, and they just plain don't have anything that makes them worth playing.

    -0 LA.
    Yeah 18 HD is a bit much for 80 ft. (average) flight and +24 Str / +4 Dex / +14 Con / -8 Int / +2 Wis.

    They're CR 9, and honestly I wouldn't play one even at 9 HD / LA +0.

    Verdict: LA -0, it's a mount not a PC.

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    Honestly, I'm not even going to do a detailed breakdown on this one.

    Yes, you're big, and you can fly.

    But 18 animal RHD?

    LA -0 for sure.

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    Honestly, I'm not even going to do a detailed breakdown on this one.

    Yes, you're big, and you can fly.

    But 18 animal RHD?

    LA -0 for sure.
    Am I missing a reference or is this just about rocs are big birds?
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    Am I missing a reference or is this just about rocs are big birds?
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    I'd complain about that pun, but that would be hypocritical of me.
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    As usual, it's the RHD that kill this thing. That and the crushing INT penalty.

    You can't even make a VoP Monk outta this one. Not without removing at least 3/4 of the hit dice tax.


    This isn't a PC, it's a giant skeet.

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    As usual, it's the RHD that kill this thing. That and the crushing INT penalty.

    You can't even make a VoP Monk outta this one. Not without removing at least 3/4 of the hit dice tax.


    This isn't a PC, it's a giant skeet.
    No offense, but what in the Infinite Abyss is a skeet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Svata View Post
    A small clay disc tossed/launched into the air for the purpose of being shot down for target practice.
    Ah, I see. That explains it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Random Sanity View Post
    As usual, it's the RHD that kill this thing. That and the crushing INT penalty.

    You can't even make a VoP Monk outta this one. Not without removing at least 3/4 of the hit dice tax.


    This isn't a PC, it's a giant skeet.
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    Rocs are giant birds. No, I'm not going to come up with any witticisms for the overgrown songbird.
    You could have tried, man. It's not as if you're between a roc and a hard place!

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    I'm disappointed that you called it a skeet and not a clay pigeon. We're doing bird puns here, man!
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    What do you want me to do, tweet my replies to the thread?
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    Did you hear the one about the dyslexic Roc?
    He thought he was an Orc.

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    Too bad the stats suck for a bard. I'd buy tickets to see a roc band.

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    Too bad the stats suck for a bard. I'd buy tickets to see a roc band.
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    So ... unanimity on Rocs at LA -0.


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    Vulnerability to fire - very ungood. Vulnerability to the most common energy type is very bad. Especially since I think the Vulnerability applies before any Fire Resistance.
    Bite attack of 2d6 +1.5x Str - kind of meh at this level.


    Drag is meaningless since you have relatively low racial ability mods for your size and HD. And it's very easy to escape, but it does automatically triggers on any strand hit.


    Strands and Weakness - 6 50ft range melee touch attacks that do are Fort Save or 2d8 Strength damage. This is good. It's not poison, as most similar abilities would be.
    If you had the ability to cast/deliver touch spells, Strands would be awesome for that, but 10 RHD says not gonna happen.

    It's not clear if Strands and Drag can be freely released by the Roper. If they can't ... that's a significant downside, but if they can, any enemy that is affected by Strength damage has a really bad day.
    It's also not clear if Strands can be used for other special attack actions (trip, grapple, etc) or for AoOs. If you can use Strands for AoOs and the various special attack actions, there's potential for a AoE lockdown build, I think.
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    I'm pretty sure you can't use strands to trip, grapple, or anything like that. For one, the require a ranged touch attack to connect.
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