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    Default Re: The LA-assignment thread II: Where The Em Dash Doesn't Exist

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    Let's take the Roc if you gave it a - 2 how can that break the game?
    Well, the problem is mainly around the ECL 20 marker. Bringing epic (spellcasting) material into a nonepic game can be dangerous, especially on anything that can still get 9 levels of Ur-Priest at 21 HD. Negative LA would still be a bit weird at low ECLs (starting PrCs early), but it'd be easy enough to handle, certainly easier than Epic Spellcasting or Permanent Emanation (or even Improved Metamagic, with a low enough LA), so you might think about assiging a few, with a maximum ECL warning. Trouble is, once you start assigning negative LA to one safeish creature, other creatures will want one, too, and then you get into really weird stuff.

    For an extreme example, have a look at colossal animated objects. They have 32 construct HD, and are rated at CR 10. They probably need at least LA -15 to be balanced against barbarians, and maybe -20 to be balanced against warblades (numbers wildy inaccurate because... it's just impossible to tell where anything ends up). But then, an ECL 12-17 animated object could have four to six epic feats before epic feats are supposed to be available. Animated objects are dumb as a sack of bricks (INT -- WIS 1 CHA 1), but other HD bloats are not, especially since animals tend to have above-average wisdom scores, setting them up for Ur-Priest like nothing else. Before you know it, the world is ruled by Ur-Priest tyrannosaurs on hoverboards, and that's not the type of dragon we want (or do we?!).
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    Oh, btw, we hit 50 pages. New thread?
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    Default Re: The LA-assignment thread II: Where The Em Dash Doesn't Exist

    It sounds like the problem is more to do with epic spellcasting than negative la, and you could rule epic feats come online at ecl 21 instead of the 21 hd

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lans View Post
    It sounds like the problem is more to do with epic spellcasting than negative la, and you could rule epic feats come online at ecl 21 instead of the 21 hd
    But you still need 21 HD to take Epic Spellcasting.

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    Sounds good

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    Oh, btw, we hit 50 pages. New thread?
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    It sounds like the problem is more to do with epic spellcasting than negative la, and you could rule epic feats come online at ecl 21 instead of the 21 hd
    I hope you understand I'm not going to make heavy use of a houseruled mechanic that only functions properly if a few other important rules get altered as well. If you want negative LA in your games, be my guest, but I'm not going to implement it.
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