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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Humanist View Post
    Also in the final panel you can just about make out Kraagor's statue.
    Nice catch! Yes I think Kraagor gets an appearance here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ByzantiumBhuka View Post
    And Mysterious Orange Voice, if and when it gets more pages.
    I mean yeah, technically "if and when," but we all know it's "when." Might as well just give the orange voice its own entry, IMO.

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    Hey can anyone with a copy of Utterly Dwarfed record the appearance counts for the bonus content?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schroeswald View Post
    Hey can anyone with a copy of Utterly Dwarfed record the appearance counts for the bonus content?
    Bonus strips are: 960a, 966a, 967a, 967b, 989a, 993a, 1052a, 1169a, 1170c, 1182a, and 1185a.
    There's also a half page added to 1051b.

    That's not a count, but it gives a list of what needs to be counted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Lampert View Post
    Bonus strips are: 960a, 966a, 967a, 967b, 989a, 993a, 1052a, 1169a, 1170c, 1182a, and 1185a.
    There's also a half page added to 1051b.

    That's not a count, but it gives a list of what needs to be counted.
    960a: Elan, Banjo as a doctor, Eliza (puppet nurse), Mechane crewman with pink hair and dark skin (recurring, but I don't know who she is), Mechane crewman with blue and white cap (also recurring, but I don't know who she is), black Mechane crewman (Felix I think), Mechane crewman with pegleg and eyepatch, Mechane crewman with five o'clock shadow, 2 other mechan crewmen (panels 6 and 9), butterfly.

    The added half page on 1051b has a Mechane crewman I don't recognize (panel 4 on the page), a male frost giant with a helmet with a noseguard (Frost Giant with Spangenhelm), Mechane crewman with five o'clock shadow, Roy, V, Elan, Haley, and Blackwing. There's also a partially visible Mechane crewman on panel 6 who is only partially visible.

    Edited to add: Reading the above, you should have a pretty good idea of why I'm not volunteering to do all the bonus strips. Maybe I'll do more if I have time and my wife isn't reading the book.
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    Here's my count of Book 6 material:

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    Title Page
    Thor

    Copyright Page
    Thirden (?)
    (We don't count the ads for the other books as it may change in future prints)

    Preface
    Haley Starshine

    Introduction p1
    Rich Burlew

    Introduction p2
    This is is a weird one where we see bits of #421, #777, and #937.
    From #421 we see some of the crying troops from the penultimate panel.
    From #777 we see the guard with the clipboard, the crowd of gladiators, the 3 speech balloons from the 3 guys named Spartacus, and part of the speech balloons from Gannji and Enor in the panel below.
    From #937 we see Julio, Roy, and Bandana, as well as part of the doctor's speech balloon.

    Introduction p3
    Roy Greenhilt

    Recap p1
    Belkar Bitterleaf
    Durkon Allotrope Thundershield
    "Durkon"*
    "Malack" the Lizardfolk
    Nale
    Roy Greenhilt
    Snarl
    Tarquin

    Recap p2
    Durkon Allotrope Thundershield
    "Durkon"*
    Hel
    "Malack" the Lizardfolk
    Nale

    Round 3 title page
    High Priest of Balder
    High Priest of Vafthrudnir
    High Priestess of Freya
    High Priestess of Hoder
    High Priestess of Odin
    High Priestess of Sif
    High Priestess Rubyrock
    Representative of Southern Pantheon

    Round 4 commentary
    Monster in the Darkness
    Oona

    New panels inserted into the second page of #1051
    (This is another weird one since it's 5 panels inserted into an existing strip, and the 5th isn't even continuous from the others, but it should still count going by how we counted similar bonus material in the past.)
    Beatrix aka Bandana Secundus
    Blackwing
    Possibly the helmed frost giant from #1050 and the first page of #1051
    Roy Greenhilt
    Unknown Mechane crewman (might be unique to this panel?)

    Round 6 title page
    Durkon Allotrope Thundersthield
    "Durkon"* (no dialogue but appears in his Negative Energy spirit form so it counts)

    Round 8 title page
    Council of Elders Relief

    Round 9 title page
    Durkon Allotrope Thundershield
    Logann
    Shirra Copperbottom
    Shirra's Sons
    Sigdi Thundershield

    Final page
    Redcloak
    Xykon

    #960a
    Banjo
    Carol
    Elan the Bard
    Eliza
    Felix
    Kwesi
    Mechane Crewman with eyepatch and pegleg
    Mechane Crewman with five o'clock shadow
    (I think the butterfly and other 2 Mechane crew are unique to this page)

    #966a
    Beatrix aka Bandana Secundus
    Elan the Bard
    Haley Starshine

    #967a
    Durkon Allotrope Thundershield
    Roy Greenhilt

    #967b
    Belkar Bitterleaf
    Mr. Scruffy
    (I think the gnomes from this and the previous 2 bonus strips are unique to each page)

    #989a
    Elan the Bard
    Haley Starshine

    #993a
    Belkar Bitterleaf
    Durkon Allotrope Thundershield
    "Durkon"*
    Roy Greenhilt
    Veldrina
    Wrecan

    #1052a
    Elan the Bard
    Roy Greenhilt
    (I think the 3 frost giants are unique to this page)

    #1169a
    Belkar Bitterleaf
    Blackwing
    Elan the Bard
    Giant Death Worm
    Haley Starshine
    Roy Greenhilt
    Vaarsuvius

    #1170c
    CotS Usher with Sandy Hair
    Janna
    Minrah Elle Shaleshoe
    Priestess of Hel with short hair
    (2 dominated Council of Elder Guards can be seen in the background of the first panel)

    #1182a
    Elan the Bard
    Haley Starshine
    Logann
    Logann's Father
    Logann's Sister
    Quippie
    Thirden

    #1185a
    Durkon Allotrope Thundershield
    Haley Starshine
    Minrah Elle Shaleshoe
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    Also, Logann’s sister has a name now. In 1182a, panel 7, Logann calls her Amyth.

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    Thanks for compiling the list Gift Jeraff. I made some comments in the quote below, as well as totals for the master list.

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    Here's my count of Book 6 material:

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    Title Page
    Thor

    Copyright Page
    Thirden (?) I'm skeptical that this is Thirden playing D&D with the other new characters, but there is a resemblance.
    (We don't count the ads for the other books as it may change in future prints)

    Preface
    Haley Starshine

    Introduction p1
    Rich Burlew

    Introduction p2
    This is is a weird one where we see bits of #421, #777, and #937.
    From #421 we see some of the crying troops from the penultimate panel. Possible appearances of Daigo Da-, Kazumi Kato, and Shlubbo Noname-zaki?
    From #777 we see the guard with the clipboard, the crowd of gladiators, the 3 speech balloons from the 3 guys named Spartacus, and part of the speech balloons from Gannji and Enor in the panel below. This is not "Clipboard Guard". He's in this panel but not in the crop that we're shown here. This is a different guard with a clipboard, who only appears in this strip. Not sure if we need to give him a cameo in the main list now. Other gladiators shown here are: Evisceratus, Weaker Gladiator, Bearded Gladiator, Blond Gladiator, Lizardfolk Gladiator with Brownish Skin, Lizardfolk Gladiator with Green Skin, Notseenicus, Spartacus, Spartacus, Spartacus. There are additionally three other gladiators making their second appearance here if this counts. Speech balloons count as an off-panel appearance, but we've never had a case where they're cropped like this.
    From #937 we see Julio, Roy, and Bandana, as well as part of the doctor's speech balloon.

    Introduction p3
    Roy Greenhilt

    Recap p1
    Belkar Bitterleaf
    Durkon Allotrope Thundershield
    "Durkon"*
    "Malack" the Lizardfolk
    Nale
    Roy Greenhilt
    Snarl
    Tarquin

    Recap p2
    Durkon Allotrope Thundershield
    "Durkon"*
    Hel
    "Malack" the Lizardfolk
    Nale

    Round 3 title page
    High Priest of Balder
    High Priest of Vafthrudnir
    High Priestess of Freya
    High Priestess of Hoder
    High Priestess of Odin
    High Priestess of Sif
    High Priestess Rubyrock
    Representative of Southern Pantheon

    Round 4 commentary
    Monster in the Darkness
    Oona This is not Oona. The horns on the mask are wrong (Oona's are like antlers. This appears to be identical to the bugbear guarding Oona's house in #1036.

    New panels inserted into the second page of #1051
    (This is another weird one since it's 5 panels inserted into an existing strip, and the 5th isn't even continuous from the others, but it should still count going by how we counted similar bonus material in the past.)
    Beatrix aka Bandana Secundus
    Blackwing
    Possibly the helmed frost giant from #1050 and the first page of #1051 Frost Giant with Spangenhelm
    Roy Greenhilt
    Unknown Mechane crewman (might be unique to this panel?) I don't recognize this character from any other strips, but worth another look.

    Round 6 title page
    Durkon Allotrope Thundersthield
    "Durkon"* (no dialogue but appears in his Negative Energy spirit form so it counts)

    Round 8 title page
    Council of Elders Relief

    Round 9 title page
    Durkon Allotrope Thundershield
    Logann
    Shirra Copperbottom
    Shirra's Sons
    Sigdi Thundershield

    Final page
    Redcloak
    Xykon

    #960a
    Banjo
    Carol
    Elan the Bard
    Eliza
    Felix
    Kwesi
    Mechane Crewman with eyepatch and pegleg
    Mechane Crewman with five o'clock shadow
    (I think the butterfly and other 2 Mechane crew are unique to this page)
    Mechane Crewman with Goatee

    #966a
    Beatrix aka Bandana Secundus
    Elan the Bard
    Haley Starshine

    #967a
    Durkon Allotrope Thundershield
    Roy Greenhilt

    #967b
    Belkar Bitterleaf
    Mr. Scruffy
    (I think the gnomes from this and the previous 2 bonus strips are unique to each page)
    The robot has the name "Stray Bot" written on it, I would say that's its name and so this is a cameo.

    #989a
    Elan the Bard
    Haley Starshine

    #993a
    Belkar Bitterleaf
    Durkon Allotrope Thundershield
    "Durkon"*
    Roy Greenhilt
    Veldrina
    Wrecan

    #1052a
    Elan the Bard
    Roy Greenhilt
    (I think the 3 frost giants are unique to this page) I agree that the frost giants are new.

    #1169a
    Belkar Bitterleaf
    Blackwing
    Elan the Bard
    Giant Death Worm
    Haley Starshine
    Roy Greenhilt
    Vaarsuvius
    Council of Clans Reliefs

    #1170c
    CotS Usher with Sandy Hair
    Janna
    Minrah Elle Shaleshoe
    Priestess of Hel with short hair
    (2 dominated Council of Elder Guards can be seen in the background of the first panel)
    Council of Clans Guard with Gray Beard
    Council of Clans Guard with Gray Beard on Upstairs

    #1182a
    Elan the Bard
    Haley Starshine
    Logann
    Logann's Father
    Logann's Sister Amyth
    Quippie
    Thirden

    #1185a
    Durkon Allotrope Thundershield
    Haley Starshine
    Minrah Elle Shaleshoe


    For the purposes of updating the list, here are the totals:
    (highly questionable)
    Azurite Dentist: +1 (and cameo +1 for #937)
    Daigo Da-: +1
    Enor: +1
    Gannji: +1
    Kazumi Kato: +1
    Shlubbo Noname-zaki: +1

    (debatable)
    Bearded Gladiator: +1
    Blond Gladiator: +1
    Clipboard Guard with Dark Skin: +1 (and cameo +1 for #777)
    Evisceratus: +1
    Julio Scoundrél: +1
    Lizardfolk Gladiator with Brownish Skin: +1
    Lizardfolk Gladiator with Green Skin: +1
    Notseenicus: +1
    Spartacus: +1
    Spartacus: +1
    Spartacus: +1
    Weaker Gladiator: +1
    Gladiators from #777: +1 (and cameo +1 from #777)

    (solid)
    Amyth: +1
    Bandana: +2 (one more debatable from page v)
    Banjo: +1
    Belkar: +4
    Blackwing: +2
    Bugbear from #1036: +1 (and cameo +1 for #1036)
    Carol: +1
    CotS Usher with Sandy Hair: +1
    Council of Clans Guard with Grey Beard: +1
    Council of Clans Guard with Grey Beard on Upstairs: +1
    Council of Clans Reliefs: +2
    Durkon: +7
    "Durkon"*: +4
    Elan: +6
    Eliza: +1
    Felix: +1
    Frost Giant with Spangenhelm: +1
    Giant Death Worm: +1
    Haley: +6
    Hel: +1
    High Priest of Balder: +1
    High Priest of Vafthrudnir: +1
    High Priestess of Freya: +1
    High Priestess of Hoder: +1
    High Priestess of Odin: +1
    High Priestess of Sif: +1
    Janna: +1
    Kwesi:+1
    Logann: +2
    Logann's Father: +1
    Malack: +2
    Mechane Crewman with Eyepatch and Pegleg: +1
    Mechane Crewman with Five O'Clock Shadow: +1
    Mechane Crewman with Goatee: +1
    Minrah: +2
    Monster in the Darkness: +1
    Mr. Scruffy: +1
    Nale: +2
    Quippie: +1
    Redcloak: +1
    Rich Burlew: +1
    Roy: +7 (one more debatable from page v)
    Representative of the Southern Pantheon: +1
    Shirra Copperbottom: +1
    Shirra's Sons: +1
    Sigdi: +1
    Snarl: +1
    Stray Bot: +1
    Tarquin: +1
    Thor: +1
    Thirden: +1
    Vaarsuvius: +1
    Veldrina: +1
    Wrecan: +1
    Xykon: +1
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    Great work, Knag and GJ!
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    Do the images from the introduction pages count? They are just literal reprints from the actual story, to show why there problems that needed fixing. The chapter images were all showing unique shots from the subject of the chapter break, so those I don't have a concern about.
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    Do the images from the introduction pages count? They are just literal reprints from the actual story, to show why there problems that needed fixing. The chapter images were all showing unique shots from the subject of the chapter break, so those I don't have a concern about.
    Yeah I think we need to reach some sort of consensus on the images on page v. We have always included all the representations of characters everywhere except the cover and the inside cover patterns. So to exclude these would be an exception. But it may be worth of exception, based on the fact that this is the first time Mr. Burlew has reprinted images from earlier comics. I could really go either way on this one.

    I think we should take a vote of everyone who cares to follow this thread and voice an opinion:

    Are the images on page v bonus appearances or do we ignore them?
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    Thanks, knag! The only thing I'm not sure about is Frost Giant with Spangenhelm--looking at martianmister's posts where she tallied him I don't think it's the same frost giant in the new panel.

    Regarding the reprinted panels, I am personally ok with ignoring them but doing so does seem to clash with how Wrecan and martianmister counted appearances.
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    I'm also inclined to disregard the reprints. Including them distorts their apparent prominence in the story, however minor the effect is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gift Jeraff View Post
    The only thing I'm not sure about is Frost Giant with Spangenhelm--looking at martianmister's posts where she tallied him I don't think it's the same frost giant in the new panel.
    So she didn't count any of them in the post for #1050, because the were all new. In #1051, she counts "Frost Giant with Blue Tunic", but that character is not in the list in the first post. The same giant seems to appear in #1063 and #1077. The List shows Spangenhelm appearing 3 times, so that would seem to be #1050, #1063, and #1077. The giant who appears in #1051, panel 6, and then gets killed in the bonus panel, seems to me to be identical. But continuity-wise it can't make sense, since we now know that he's dead, and not the giant in #1063 or #1077.

    So I don't know. I guess it's not spangenhelm, but his twin brother, and so we should count him as an Extra, since he now has one appearance in the main comic and one in the bonus material? It looks to me like it's intended to be the giant from the foreground of #1050 throwing rocks at the Mechane and getting killed, and I doubt if the Giant bothered to look if he used a similar design for a giant in the later strips. They all have: spangenhelm, white beard, blue tunic, gray sleeves, dark blue pants, dark gray fur boots, light grey fur cloak. My personal vote would be that they're all the same, there's a continuity error, and spangenhelm should be at 4 appearances in the main comic and +1 for the bonus panel.
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    I just noticed that Kandro’s osquip head in 1182a is named Quippie in panel 5 and Quippy in panel 8. Are we sticking with Logann’s spelling, since he was first?

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    I'm not sure about the print version, but in the PDF of UD, strip 1000 is actually split into 5 pages (1000a through 1000e). IIRC it was only counted as four pages when it came out online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 137ben View Post
    I'm not sure about the print version, but in the PDF of UD, strip 1000 is actually split into 5 pages (1000a through 1000e). IIRC it was only counted as four pages when it came out online.
    I'd assume it's just the last panel with Roy leaping off the balcony made into a two-page spread? In that case, I'm not sure it would make a difference.
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    Unlike the zombie dragon in the printed version of #430, no one appears on both pages so yeah I don't think it affects anything in this thread. (idk how Wrecan handled 430)
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    I think the official count doesn’t include the calendars, but for my own tally, I have been. What I see for the 2020 Calendar is the following:

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    Durkon Thundershield
    Elan
    Hobgoblin Cleric
    Jirix
    Lutey the Lute-tastical Lute
    Redcloak
    Vaarsuvius


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    Durkon Thundershield
    Haley Starshine
    Minrah Shaleshoe
    Pangtok
    Tingtox


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    Main Image:
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    Veldrina
    Wrecan

    Lower page:
    Armand Vestinghole
    Durkon Thundershield
    Elan
    (Invisible snow monster?) x2
    Lutey the Lute-tastical Lute
    Roy Greenhilt
    Veldrina
    Wrecan


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    I love that you track Armand and Lutey

    Do you have a tally of all the calendars?
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    I love that you track Armand and Lutey

    Do you have a tally of all the calendars?
    Short answer, yes.

    Longer answer:
    I have all 10 books, all the calendars, the unprinted bonus stories, the coloring book, the Kickstarter updates, the cast page, and the board game. It’s total appearances, hence the x2 or whatever, plus a whole bunch of other stuff. It’s been a project I’ve been doing for several years now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yxylu View Post
    Short answer, yes.

    Longer answer:
    I have all 10 books, all the calendars, the unprinted bonus stories, the coloring book, the Kickstarter updates, the cast page, and the board game. It’s total appearances, hence the x2 or whatever, plus a whole bunch of other stuff. It’s been a project I’ve been doing for several years now.
    What are the unprinted bonus stories vs the kickstarter stories? I'd love this info for the Character Index on the wiki.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knag View Post
    What are the unprinted bonus stories vs the kickstarter stories? I'd love this info for the Character Index on the wiki.
    The Kickstarter updates are the ones on the Kickstarter site, with (among other things) Haley climbing the progress chart, and Roy getting upset about Belkar being kicked.

    The unprinted bonus stories are Uncivil Servant and Haleo & Julelan.

    I forgot when I posted the list of sources that I also included the 10 wallpapers.

    I haven’t been over to the Wiki before. Maybe after the holidays die down I can head over there and see what’s what.

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    How do you distinguish between Malack as a lizardfolk and as a vampire?
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    How do you distinguish between Malack as a lizardfolk and as a vampire?
    Lizardfolk is every single time he appears, vampire is just when he speaks (IIRC).
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    Why is this distinction made? Seems a bit arbitrary. He's been a vampire every time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sniccups View Post
    Why is this distinction made? Seems a bit arbitrary. He's been a vampire every time.
    I believe it is made as a way to figure out how to count people like Durkon/Greg, or Gontor/Exarch (+ a few other CotS people), what here is an appearance and the rule is just universal for vampires for simplicity, even if it’s pretty useless for most of them.
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    I also think it's for consistency with the "a character's corpse counts as an appearance" rule, since that technically is the remains of Unnamed Lizardfolk Shaman.

    TBH, I've never agreed with it, but it's not a big deal.
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    I believe it is made as a way to figure out how to count people like Durkon/Greg, or Gontor/Exarch (+ a few other CotS people), what here is an appearance and the rule is just universal for vampires for simplicity, even if it’s pretty useless for most of them.
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    I also think it's for consistency with the "a character's corpse counts as an appearance" rule, since that technically is the remains of Unnamed Lizardfolk Shaman.

    TBH, I've never agreed with it, but it's not a big deal.
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    Are we treating this separation as being unique to vampires? That is to say, is there a difference among Xykon (living person), Xykon (dead body - when visible), and Xykon (animating lich essence - when speaking)?

    Likewise, are Silver Dragon and Zombie Dragon distinct characters? Lirian and Zombie Lirian? Is the Crystal Golem enough the same (both body and spirit) to be considered Crystal?

    Not quite the same, but related - I had been considering The Dark One (goblin) to be the same as The Dark One (god), but maybe they are different enough.

    I’m not sure of the right answer (or best answer, I guess), but just some questions to get us thinking.

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