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2020-03-13, 08:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"
I support the policy change on vampire appearances. I always felt is was a little arbitrary and confusing anyway which is why I only counted vampire spirits for Greg on the wiki. If you're going to give him retroactive appearances, can you please list the comic numbers you're adding when you do?
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2020-03-15, 04:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"
To expand on what Grey_Wolf_c already said....Since this change would directly affect the number of character appearances, in the Number of Character Appearances thread, this is definitely a change to the substance of the opening posts; you should definitely put such a thing before the thread...like you did.
That said, you "only" need consensus, and a vote is a way of measuring that consensus; if it's obvious without a vote, you don't strictly need to hold a vote.FeytouchedBanana eldritch disciple avatar by...me!
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2020-03-15, 05:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"
I know I'm late, but if a vote counts for anything my vote goes for title goes to...
*To absent friends*
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2020-03-15, 06:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"
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2020-03-16, 10:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"
I'm good with whatever the curator decides.
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2020-03-16, 07:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"
1195- Roy and Julia
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2020-03-23, 10:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"
A comic with >4 appearances! We're getting into the meat of the book!
1196: Elan, Carol, Haley Starshine, Vaarsuvius, Blackwing, Julia Greenhilt, Roy Greenhilt, Belkar Bitterleaf, Mr. Scruffy.
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2020-03-24, 02:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"
Thanks for the clarification, both of you. My understanding was that if a previous curator was able to make a decision about something unilaterally (such as counting Durkon*'s appearances in a certain way), a subsequent curator would be able to change that unilaterally. I'm glad I didn't act on that assumption, since it appears to have been quite wrong.
In any case, it appears that there's a reasonably broad consensus in favor of the change, even if it's not totally unanimous, so I feel comfortable making that tweak. In accordance with knag's request (knag, do you prefer for your name to be capitalized?) I will be listing the comics that I'm adding appearances for. That way, if I make a mistake, hopefully somebody will catch my slip-up.
The new thread should be up later tonight, barring some unforeseen RL emergency. I'd like to apologize for the significant delay in getting it going (and to thank everyone for their well-wishes - I hope everyone else here is coping all right with the madness of covid-19, too). To expedite things somewhat, I think I'll go ahead and post it without sorting out the smilie situation first; I do plan to address it, but I figure it's better to get the new thread up ASAP at this point, even if it's not perfect.
EDIT: This is dumb, but I can't remember how to quote posts while keeping the existing quotes within them. I remember reading that it was possible somehow, but I forget where. Could anyone do me the favor of reminding me? It would save me a bit of time.Last edited by Emanick; 2020-03-24 at 02:34 PM.
Number of Character Appearances VII - To Absent Friends
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2020-03-24, 02:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"
Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2020-03-24, 02:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"
Oh, I know how to quote multiple posts, just not how to do so while preserving the formatting in the quote within the original post (i.e. without copy/pasting). I vaguely remember a conversation in a pinned comic discussion thread some months ago where you were talking with someone else and they explained to you how to do this? Maybe it was about something else unrelated, though; I can't remember for sure.
It's not super important; I can always manually add the formatting myself. If there's a shortcut, though, it would be cool to know about it - not just for this thread, but for the future.
EDIT: On the off chance that anyone is getting impatient for the new thread, I'm not actually going to be able to post it tonight; I've updated most of the Character Appearances information, but I still haven't recorded the info from the bonus strips in the new book, or counted the additional appearances for Durkon*, which is a job I think I'll leave for tomorrow. I'm also not sure whether to count the Bag of Tricks animals in #1188 as additional appearances for previously summoned critters, or whether to treat them as new characters (and thus not count them at all, basically). Thoughts?Last edited by Emanick; 2020-03-24 at 09:36 PM.
Number of Character Appearances VII - To Absent Friends
Currently playing a level 20 aasimar necromancer named Zebulun Salathiel and a level 9 goliath diviner named Lo-Kag.
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2020-03-24, 10:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"
Few things:
- Consider changes transactionally. When HPoH first made his existence (as distinct from Durkon) known, HPoH's metaphysical representation was rather new ground for a recurring character to appear in, and martianmister chose a way to track the character that needed to be tracked; one comic at a time. You're talking about changing how the character's appearances are counted across the entire last book, all at once. The sharp change is a good sign of a need to put it before the thread.
- In general, any change to how the thread determines something should be put before the thread; especially if it's specifically something the thread's already been determining. You might get a proposal that's better than what you had in mind; and at the very least, no one saying anything means "no one objected" passes as legitimate, if short-term, consensus to go ahead.
- Should something become genuinely urgent, I believe it is within your right to make a decision without consulting the thread, if it's something the thread hasn't even expressed any opinions on; but that puts you on the hook to reverse it in short order if the thread responds negatively after you've done the corresponding work (as that disapproval will be the consensus you're required to reflect), and I wouldn't advise doing that to yourself if you can avoid it.
It's mostly what Peelee said. The main thing left is that a quoted post will have that double arrow () linking to the original post that you can use multiquote on (and in more unusual cases, that multiquote will actually track posts across multiple pages/threads). Then it's a matter of cut-and-pasting the quotes to resemble the right stacking order (cutting the entire inner quote and pasting it immediately after the closing of the outer quote's opening [quote] tag, in the typical case).FeytouchedBanana eldritch disciple avatar by...me!
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2020-03-25, 08:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-03-25, 07:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"
That might work, assuming martianmister tracked them the way I think she did, but my brain's a bit scrambled at the moment so I'm doing a manual count, just to be safe. I did promise to state the list of strips I was adding to Durkon*'s list of appearances, after all.
Another random bookkeeping thing: This thread currently states that it's updated through strip #1170, but, after going over it, I think it's actually only updated through #1169. (For one thing, "Dvalin's Cleric," Millidred Thickbelt and Regin Greenhammer don't actually appear to have been listed in the thread at all.) I'm concerned that martianmister may have added some of the characters but not all of them, so I'm double-checking the number of appearances Thrym, Hel and Thor currently have, just to see if they're consistent with the "updated through #1169" theory. If anyone else would like to weigh in on this while they're stuck inside due to the virus, I'd welcome second (and third, and fourth) opinions.
Oh, and I'm not sure whether the "Noted Expert" in #1170 counts as a name - seems to me it could go either way, based on the list of currently-included characters - but I'm opting to add him because I think it's funnier to treat that as his name. If people thinks that's a bad idea, though, I'll happily take him out.Number of Character Appearances VII - To Absent Friends
Currently playing a level 20 aasimar necromancer named Zebulun Salathiel and a level 9 goliath diviner named Lo-Kag.
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2020-03-25, 07:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"
Noted Expert is a funny name so I support it.
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2020-03-25, 09:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"
Excellent, thanks.
It looks as though martianmister did indeed add appearances for the existing characters in #1170; she simply forgot to add the new characters to the thread. So I've revised my working copy of the new thread accordingly.
I'm now working on integrating the list of additional appearances in Utterly Dwarfed's bonus strips into the new thread. I'm using Gift Jeraff's excellent count (quoted below if anyone wants to peruse it), along with knag's edits, which I'm unable to quote but which are visible here. Thanks so much to the both of you; you've saved me an enormous amount of work.
There seems to have been some disagreement on whether to treat the short figure on the copyright page as Thirden. I think the resemblance and height is too significant to be coincidental, so I'm choosing to count it (obviously I can reverse that if I'm in the minority on the subject). And I think we agreed not to count the reprints on page 2 of the introduction as appearances.
I'll post any other edge cases here if and when I come to them for discussion.
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Number of Character Appearances VII - To Absent Friends
Currently playing a level 20 aasimar necromancer named Zebulun Salathiel and a level 9 goliath diviner named Lo-Kag.
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2020-03-28, 06:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"
So... the smilies just started working! Except for Tarquin’s they are all working, idk what happened but they are
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2020-03-29, 09:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-03-29, 09:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"
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2020-03-29, 10:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-03-29, 03:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"
Currently ones with no smiley:
Vampire Dwarf with Blue Curly Hair
Hoskin
Kandro
Vampire Dwarf with Brown Beard
Vampire Dwarf with Red Ponytail
But I think most of them never had them in first place.
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2020-03-29, 04:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"
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2020-03-29, 06:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"
I made one for Hoskin last year, but I think there was a problem with the host imgur so other people couldn't see the image. Tell me if you can see them now, and if not, I'll upload it somewhere else. Of course it's likely that someone who's better in graphics can just make nicer ones.
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2020-03-30, 09:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"
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2020-03-30, 09:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"
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2020-03-31, 08:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"
1197: Belkar, Elan, Durkon, Haley, Kraagor, Minrah, Mr. Scuffy, Roy, Vaarsuvius
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2020-03-31, 02:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"
Jirix and Thirden's smileys are gone.
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2020-03-31, 02:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"
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2020-04-02, 09:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"
Thanks for the smilies, they look great! No need for anyone to make "nicer ones," at least not in my opinion.
Oh, and thanks for the update for #1197, knag.
Question: Have we historically counted appearances on book covers? I don't remember whether that's customary - I would guess yes, but Gift Jeraff doesn't seem to have included them on his roundup of the book-only appearances.Last edited by Emanick; 2020-04-02 at 09:28 PM.
Number of Character Appearances VII - To Absent Friends
Currently playing a level 20 aasimar necromancer named Zebulun Salathiel and a level 9 goliath diviner named Lo-Kag.
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2020-04-04, 10:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"
To the best of my memory and searching, the front cover, back cover, and inside covers were never counted:
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