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    Problem is it would muddy the distinctions between guardsman/guardswoman, giant/giantess and crewman/crewwoman.
    Then keep using them. The idea here is to reference the scene, not remove the sex indicator. If "FGA" is "Frost Giant's Ambush", you can still say "FGA giantess with braid". This system is most helpful when we have multiples of one of those descriptions, like for example if we had "Battle for Azure City" (BAC) Guardswoman vs "Orc Island Rescue" (OIR) Guardswoman.

    Or, more applicable going forward, we can use these acronym titles to tell apart all the various subgroups of vampires we are now recording. We had the Godsmoot Earth Cult (GEC) vampires, now we have the Thor's Temple Defender (TTD) vampires and we may still need to deal with the Clan Chief Meeting (CCM) vampires (if Greg raises another group of mooks for that scene).

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    But really, the important lesson here is this: Rather than making assumptions that don't fit with the text and then complaining about the text being wrong, why not just choose different assumptions that DO fit with the text?
    Ceterum autem censeo Hilgya malefica est

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    Are the Dwarf Defenders just a catchall for the various guards of the temple, regardless of which ones?

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    Quote Originally Posted by martianmister View Post
    Updated through 1102
    Belkar (+1), Blackwing (+1), Dwarf Defenders (as Vampires) (+1), Elan (+1), Haley (+1), Minrah (+1), Mr. Scruffy (+1), Roy (+1), Vaarsuvius (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Blue Beard and Bald Head (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Blue Beard and Balding Head, Vampire Dwarf with Blue Shirt and Beard (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Brown Beard, Vampire Dwarf with Brown Ponytail (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Curly Beard and Hair (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Curly Blue Hair (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Gray Beard (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Green Beard and Bald Head (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Green Beard and Hair (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Green Bun (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Green Shirt (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Messy Green Hair (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Purple Dress (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Red Ponytail, Vampire Dwarf with Short Green Hair (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Straight Blue Hair (+1)

    It'll take some time to add them all.
    I don't see Blue Beard and Balding Head or Red Ponytail in the first page of 1102. They're in the back in 1101, so they get tracked, but they shouldn't have a blue +1 for 1102.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knag View Post
    Are the Dwarf Defenders just a catchall for the various guards of the temple, regardless of which ones?
    It's a catch all term for non-listed/non-distinc ones.

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    I don't see Blue Beard and Balding Head or Red Ponytail in the first page of 1102. They're in the back in 1101, so they get tracked, but they shouldn't have a blue +1 for 1102.
    And they don't have these.
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    Sorry. Guess I got a little addled sorting out vampires last week. Here's my stab at this week's returning cast, left to right, starting with panel 1, then panel 3, and finally panel 8:

    1103: Haley, Vampire Dwarf with Blue Shirt and Beard, Belkar, Elan, Mr. Scruffy, Vampire Dwarf with Short Green Hair, Roy, Vampire Dwarf with Blue Beard and Bald Head, Vaarsuvius, Blackwing, Minrah, Vampire Dwarf with Brown Ponytail, Vampire Dwarf with Green Shirt, Vampire Dwarf with Green Beard and Hair, Brother Sandstone (as vampire), Vampire Dwarf with Brown Beard, Vampire Dwarf with Green Shirt

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    Updated through 1103
    Belkar, Blackwing, Brother Sandstone (as Vampire), Dwarf Defenders (as Vampires), Elan, Haley, Minrah (charmed), Mr. Scruffy, Roy, Vaarsuvius, Vampire Dwarf with Blue Beard and Bald Head, Vampire Dwarf with Blue Shirt and Beard, Vampire Dwarf with Brown Beard, Vampire Dwarf with Brown Ponytail, Vampire Dwarf with Green Beard and Hair, Vampire Dwarf with Green Shirt, Vampire Dwarf with Purple Dress, Vampire Dwarf with Short Green Hair
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    Updated through 1104
    Belkar, Blackwing, Brother Sandstone (as Vampire), Vampire Sandstone (as Vampire), Dwarf Defenders (as Vampires), Elan, Haley, Minrah, Mr. Scruffy, Roy, Vaarsuvius, Vampire Dwarf with Blue Beard and Bald Head, Vampire Dwarf with Blue Beard and Balding Head, Vampire Dwarf with Blue Shirt and Beard, Vampire Dwarf with Brown Beard, Vampire Dwarf with Brown Ponytail, Vampire Dwarf with Curly Blue Hair, Vampire Dwarf with Gray Beard, Vampire Dwarf with Green Beard and Bald Head, Vampire Dwarf with Green Beard and Hair, Vampire Dwarf with Green Bun, Vampire Dwarf with Green Shirt, Vampire Dwarf with Purple Dress, Vampire Dwarf with Red Ponytail, Vampire Dwarf with Short Green Hair, Vampire Dwarf with Straight Blue Hair
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    1105: HILGYA FIREHELM!!!

    also, second appearance of the vampire dwarf all the way in the back in the last page of #1101 with, shall we say, green hair and armor, and the vampire dwarf in the foreground of the first panel of #1102, with blue hair, goatee, and a skullcap.

    also, Roy, Elan, Haley, Belkar, V, Blackwing, Mr. Scruffy, Minrah, Brother Sandstone (as vampire), Vampire Sandstone, Vampire Dwarf with Blue Beard and Bald Head, Vampire Dwarf with Blue Beard and Balding Head, Vampire Dwarf with Blue Shirt and Beard, Vampire Dwarf with Brown Beard, Vampire Dwarf with Green Beard and Bald Head, Vampire Dwarf with Green Bun, Vampire Dwarf with Gray Beard, Vampire Dwarf with Purple Dress, Vampire Dwarf with Red Ponytail, Vampire Dwarf with Short Green Hair, Vampire Dwarf with Straight Blue Hair, Vampire Dwarf with Brown Ponytail, Vampire Dwarf with Green Beard and Hair, Vampire Dwarf with Green Shirt

    I don't see messy hair in there or curly hair either.

    Finally, I sense we will very shorty need to start tracking the adorable Baby Thundershield.

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    Finally, I sense we will very shorty need to start tracking the adorable Baby Thundershield.
    Doesn't "adorable Baby Thundershield" count as a name already?

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    Updated through 1105
    Belkar (as Protected from Evil) (+1), Blackwing (+1), Brother Sandstone (as Vampire), Vampire Sandstone, Dwarf Defenders (as Vampires), Elan (+1), Haley (+1), Hilgya (+1), Minrah (+1), Mr. Scruffy (+1), Roy (+1), Vaarsuvius (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Black Hair, Vampire Dwarf with Blonde Hair (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Blue Beard and Bald Head, Vampire Dwarf with Blue Beard and Balding Head (Gaseous) (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Blue Bob Haircut, Vampire Dwarf with Blue Shirt and Beard, Vampire Dwarf with Brown Beard (Gaseous) (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Brown Ponytail, Vampire Dwarf with Gray Beard, Vampire Dwarf with Green Beard and Bald Head, Vampire Dwarf with Green Beard and Hair, Vampire Dwarf with Green Bun, Vampire Dwarf with Green Shirt and Cape, Vampire Dwarf with Green Short Hair, Vampire Dwarf with Purple Dress, Vampire Dwarf with Red Ponytail (Gaseous) (+1)

    Hilgya's Baby, Vampire Spirit of Female Dwarf, Vampire Spirit of Male Dwarf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knag View Post
    also, second appearance of the vampire dwarf all the way in the back in the last page of #1101 with, shall we say, green hair and armor, and the vampire dwarf in the foreground of the first panel of #1102, with blue hair, goatee, and a skullcap.
    Well, I noted them before as blonde and black haired. Female one is definitely blonde, but male one could go either way.
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    I just noticed that in 1102, Minrah names the vampire inside the forcecage "Leggo". But we don't seem to have him listed as a character (albeit short-undead).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Humanist View Post
    I just noticed that in 1102, Minrah names the vampire inside the forcecage "Leggo". But we don't seem to have him listed as a character (albeit short-undead).
    "Leggo" is almost certainly slang for "let go." I've seen it used that way in multiple other stories.
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    1106:
    Baby Thundershield, Belkar Bitterleaf, Blackwing, Elan, Haley Starshine, Hilgya Firehelm, Minrah, Mr. Scruffy, Roy Greenhilt, Vaarsuvius

    With Baby Thundershield's second appearance, he's now officially on the list.
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    Belkar, Blackwing, Elan, Haley, Hilgya, Hilgya's Baby, Minrah, Mr. Scruffy, Roy, Vaarsuvius
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    Hilgya's Baby
    Hedging on the father, eh?

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    Hedging on the father, eh?
    The only semi-plausible alternative theory I have seen is that "Hilgya's baby" is Sabine in disguise. In that case "his" entry would be moved to the altered appearance section.

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    Hedging on the father, eh?
    I think it's more along the lines of "Hilgya's probably not going to give her baby the last name of the guy she wants to kill and hasn't seen since they slept together." Most likely, she'll name the baby with her own last name instead of Durkon's since not many single mothers name their child after the man who left them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5a Violista View Post
    I think it's more along the lines of "Hilgya's probably not going to give her baby the last name of the guy she wants to kill and hasn't seen since they slept together." Most likely, she'll name the baby with her own last name instead of Durkon's since not many single mothers name their child after the man who left them.
    Voldemort’s mother did, so it’s not unheard of in family literature. But yes, I agree. Hilgya does not seem as if she’s been in the mood to pay a compliment to Durkon’s memory.

    It is possible, if relatively unlikely, that the baby is a Thundershield anyway because dwarven society mandates that the official surname of a baby must be that of its biological father. That seems like the type of rule that it might have - if it hadn’t been portrayed as egalitarian when it comes to gender, despite being quite collectivist.
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    It is possible, if relatively unlikely, that the baby is a Thundershield anyway because dwarven society mandates that the official surname of a baby must be that of its biological father. That seems like the type of rule that it might have
    Even in societies that have such rules, there has to be an exception for when the mother can't or won't reveal who the father is.

    And heck, even if there isn't an exception, Hilgya doesn't strike me as the kind of person that simply bows to the rules or laws of the dwarven culture.

    Circling back to the topic, Higya is currently taking responsibility for the baby, so "Hilgya's baby" is a good enough descriptor until such time as we get a more official version.

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    But really, the important lesson here is this: Rather than making assumptions that don't fit with the text and then complaining about the text being wrong, why not just choose different assumptions that DO fit with the text?
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    And such time is now (at least partially):

    1107:
    Belkar Bitterleaf, Elan, Haley Starshine, Hilgya Firehelm, Kudzu, Minrah, Roy Greenhilt

    Are any of the characters in the last panel recognizable? I think that might be Jenny.
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    And such time is now (at least partially):

    1107:
    Belkar Bitterleaf, Elan, Haley Starshine, Hilgya Firehelm, Kudzu, Minrah, Roy Greenhilt

    Are any of the characters in the last panel recognizable? I think that might be Jenny.
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    Belkar, Elan, Haley, Hank, Hilgya, Jenny, Kudzu, Minrah, Roy
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    Random question. In the final Dragon magazine comic, in the panel with all the characters from different Dragon strips, who is the character in the bottom left of the panel? The one under Telerie Windyarm and left of who I assume is Dixie Null?

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    Random question. In the final Dragon magazine comic, in the panel with all the characters from different Dragon strips, who is the character in the bottom left of the panel? The one under Telerie Windyarm and left of who I assume is Dixie Null?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ti'esar View Post
    The guy in the purple hat? According to Rich's commentary, it's Fineous Fingers, a character from one of the earlier recurring Dragon strips.
    Thanks! I subscribed to Dragon for years and all the rest were obvious to me, but that strip is before my time!

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    And to continue this for anyone that is curious:

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    Belkar: 6
    Elan: 6
    Haley: 6
    Durkon: 4
    Bandana: 3
    Blackwing: 3
    MitD: 3
    Oona: 3
    Redcloak: 3
    Roy: 3
    Scruffy: 3
    Vaarsuvius: 3
    Argent: 2
    Bloodfeast: 2
    Chief Cop of CPPD: 2
    CPPD Cop with black skin: 2
    CPPD Cop with blond hair: 2
    CPPD Cop with red hair: 2
    CPPD Woman Cop: 2
    Demon-Roaches: 2
    Felix: 2
    Sir François: 2
    Greyview: 2
    Grubwiggler: 2
    Hinjo: 2
    Inkyrius: 2
    Julio: 2
    Nale: 2
    Sabine: 2
    Sigdi: 2
    Tarquin: 2
    Thog: 2
    Xykon: 2
    Yikyik: 2
    Zz'dtri: 2
    Celia: 1
    CPPD Prison Guard with black skin: 1
    "Durkon" *: 1
    Giro: 1
    Golem with grey flesh: 1
    High Priestess of Thor: 1
    Hoskin: 1
    Jirix: 1
    Kandro: 1
    Kwesi: 1
    Representative of Southern Pantheon: 1
    Shirra: 1
    the Tarrasque: 1
    Thirden: 1
    Vaarsuvius' Auburn-Haired Child: 1
    Vaarsuvius' Green-Haired Child: 1
    Veldrina: 1

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    Mr. Scruffy: 5
    V: 5
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    Celia: 3
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    Inkyrius: 2
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    St. George's horse: 2
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    Carol: 1
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    CPPD Cop with blond hair: 1
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    Jones: 1
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    Oona: 1
    Right-Eye: 1
    Rodriguez: 1
    Sapphire Guardsman with Do-Ragged Clothes: 1
    Shinjo: 1
    Thanh: 1
    Therkla: 1
    Thirden: 1
    Veldrina: 1
    Zz'dtri: 1

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    Default Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"

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    Belkar, Blackwing, Durkon (as Vampire), Elan, Haley, Hilgya, Kudzu, Minrah, Mr. Scruffy, Roy, Vaarsuvius
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