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    Yikes. Awkward.

    Interesting to note that the Exarch is being influenced by his "host," too. Gives me hope for Durkon's agency.
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    What happened to the half-strip at 1086? I was expecting an extra half-strip at the top of 1087...

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    Huh. Last time we had a "Followers Follow", things didn't turn out so well for the follower.

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    What happened to the half-strip at 1086? I was expecting an extra half-strip at the top of 1087...

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    That half-page will probably be used for author commentary, if he doesn't write a bonus half-comic to fill it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emanick View Post
    Yikes. Awkward.

    Interesting to note that the Exarch is being influenced by his "host," too. Gives me hope for Durkon's agency.
    I don't think he means his host is actively influencing him right now, but rather that the aspects of his personality that were twisted to create the vampire spirit make him a bit of a basket case. Could be wrong, though.
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    Interesting to get a new look at some of the dynamic between the vampires. Exarch seems happy to follow, but maybe the others are less so?

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    Interesting to see such introspection from the vampires.
    Then again "it's my host's fault, not mine!" seems like a convenient excuse...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hroşila View Post
    I don't think he means his host is actively influencing him right now, but rather that the aspects of his personality that were twisted to create the vampire spirit make him a bit of a basket case. Could be wrong, though.
    Ah, but I think it suggests the opposite. Darkon just used the same phrasing and philosophy as someone in the memory. He is being actively influenced by what Durkon dredges up.

    Also, I suspect Durkon is trying to use memories of bardic music to buff himself.
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    And Durkon, once again, proves he's a force to be reckoned with! And the fact that the other dwarf (and hopefully the other people who have been vamped out) are fighting against their captors as well, sounds like Team Hel is having a HEL of a time getting things done! (I can hear the groans now LOL)
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    I thought the exarch was the leader of his sect, so how come the ex-exarch is now such a follower, seemingly beneath the two random vampires…

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    Gontor's attitude doesn't seem quite as childlike as a thrall. Could he be free-willed? (With air quotes around "free" given that his host appears to be exerting some influence.)

    I also wonder - did Malack's host color his outlook too? Or are dwarven spirits perhaps singularly stubborn?
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    Looks to me like Durkula's plan has come apart and he is now improvising - about as well as that trainee bard.
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    Interesting to see how other vampires regard their trapped souls.
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    Huh. Last time we had a "Followers Follow", things didn't turn out so well for the follower.

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    OK, comic renamed with pretty much the same theme from the other angle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hroşila View Post
    I don't think he means his host is actively influencing him right now, but rather that the aspects of his personality that were twisted to create the vampire spirit make him a bit of a basket case. Could be wrong, though.
    Well, mythological vampires are supposed to be obsessive compulsive. One of the ways you can deal with a vampire is to throw rice/other small object on the ground. Their obsessive natures would compel them to pick up every single object one at a time.

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    Huh. That's unintentional. I'll think of a new name for this comic, I don't want people thinking it's an intentional callback
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    I suspect that Gloves (the female human vampire) is less than enthralled at the ongoing setback. Greg had better keep her as a thrall because I suspect that if she gets free will she may be less dedicated to Hel's game plan.
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    I know this is a continuation of the whole "Durkula draws the wrong conclusions from Durkon's memories" thing, but I can't figure out the lesson he was supposed to get vs. the one he came away with. Hope someone here can figure it out.

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    And the new title is even better! Well done on the speedy retitling, Rich.
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    If Durkon and Gontor are "hosts", that makes the vampires "guests" or "parasites", depending on the sense of the word "host" used.

    a person who receives or entertains other people as guests.
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    antonyms: guest

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    You could argue for either, or even both. We could refer to the vampires as "unwelcome guests" instead of things like "Durkula" and "Gonetor".

    Anyway, this is explicit acknowledgement that the vampire is directly influenced by the host. Which means so long as Durkon struggles, he matters. I'm going to go out on a fairly sturdy limb here and guess that the unwelcome guest is lying to Durkon about the inevitability of being absorbed into the vampire.

    Also, it appears that the minion vampires have the ability to argue with each other and possibly even dislike each other.

    Lastly, notice how Squeaky is uncomfortable with the term "master", while Durkon's unwelcome guest accepts the word as a matter of course. This may be foreshadowing of a sort; perhaps it is possible for the dwarven hosts to break free from control because a master / slave relationship is unnatural for them.
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    Ah, but I think it suggests the opposite. Darkon just used the same phrasing and philosophy as someone in the memory. He is being actively influenced by what Durkon dredges up.
    That's true, but I'm not sure to what degree it'd be the same as someone unconsciously quoting from a movie they had watched, for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psyren View Post
    Gontor's attitude doesn't seem quite as childlike as a thrall. Could he be free-willed? (With air quotes around "free" given that his host appears to be exerting some influence.)

    I also wonder - did Malack's host color his outlook too? Or are dwarven spirits perhaps singularly stubborn?
    Malack was two centuries into his vampirism at the time we met him, and had probably fully absorbed the mortal he was made from. He certainly seemed to consider his existence continuous with that of his "host". Perhaps all vampires mature into a Malack-like view of their state eventually? Another possibility is that the difference in outlook results in a difference between Hel and Nergal's methods of creating vampires. Perhaps Nergal isn't so heavy on the irony in his vampire personalities, or Hel's vampires have unique difficulties with dwarven hosts, due to her difficulties in dealing with that race.
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    The vampire personalities are opposed to the host personalities.

    Gontor had his life planned out for him and rebelled, so the unwelcome guest becomes extremely upset when things don't do what is expected. Gontor's vampire is a perfect follower.

    Durkon always supported others and was a perfect follower, so the unwelcome guest is a leader who provides no support to anyone.

    The vampire is the antithesis of the host.
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    Well, that was a fairly revelatory strip. To hear Exarch explain it, he seems to be antagonized by his host's memories. I'm actually not a D&D player, so I don't quite know the rules governing vampires in the setting. Can host souls exert deep influence on the vampiric spirit's actions, or is this more of a one-off situation with Exarch? For that matter, is this just an odd turn of phrase on his part?

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