LGBTAI+ #59: Will You Take This Woman To Be Your Galpal?

[AuthorGirl]

So, anyone been up to anything fun lately?

I came out as bi to my parents!!! Kinda forgot to mention it to y'all. It wasn't exactly fun, but I feel better now that it's done with, so . . . I've been having more fun since then.

(They were fine. Grandma doesn't know, which is a relief.)

[S@tanicoaldo]

Mostly been doing Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Twilight Princess, and Skyward Sword.

Well maybe this will cheer you up, in the new Zelda Link can dress any way he likes.

He even has a Gerudo outfit.


And the Gerudo are an all famale race, so basically he is dressing as a woman. Will that help?

[Shadowscale]

My wife and I are about to celebrate 1 year of marriage together, and we're going to pay a visit to the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show next weekend. Been thinking about trying to start up a new Pathfinder campaign, but haven't got very far.

Also Shadowscale, I hope you've heard about my coming out as genderfluid/nonbinary and starting hormones to achieve a more androgynous look and feel; if not, you're hearing it now. Congratulations on 1 year of hormones yourself, by the way.

I'm glad to hear that, I identify asc agendered myself. Trans feminine though. Finally starting to look different methinks.

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[137beth]

I came out as bi to my parents!!! Kinda forgot to mention it to y'all. It wasn't exactly fun, but I feel better now that it's done with, so . . . I've been having more fun since then.

(They were fine. Grandma doesn't know, which is a relief.)

Congratulations!

[Malozing]

I came out as bi to my parents!!! Kinda forgot to mention it to y'all. It wasn't exactly fun, but I feel better now that it's done with, so . . . I've been having more fun since then.

(They were fine. Grandma doesn't know, which is a relief.)

Hey! Congrats! Keep being you, and I hope you continue to have more fun.

[AuthorGirl]

Congratulations!

Hey! Congrats! Keep being you, and I hope you continue to have more fun.

Thank you guys! Hmm, there's not a heart emoji on this forum . . .

[JNAProductions]

Just find a picture!

[Malozing]

Just find a picture!

Or <3

That wouldn't be the heart image I would have chosen, but what floats your boat.

[Razade]

I was...going to write this big long thing in regards to these two quotes but I think I can sum them up fairly quickly.

No good. Nothing works.

I wanted to play Zelda today, but I couldn't because I was too afraid of losing my female identity in it and feeling miserable again. And yet when I think about it, I would very much prefer playing as a female version of Link in those games if there was a choice. This would suggest I do actually identify more as female.

However, playing the games now still hurts me due to the disconnect between myself and Link. I feel no joy in playing the game as female due to the painful disconnect between myself and the character.

I feel like I can't make any progress unless Nintendo goes back .and adds a gender option to be female.

I can sort of understand how you feel. For a long time I've used video games as escapism, but a lot of games have definitively straight main characters, which really pulls me out of it. I have many fond childhood memories of the Legend of Zelda, Mario, and Donkey Kong series, but when I play most of those games now, it feels a lot more uncomfortable. I can get out of it to some extent by playing Metroid or Kirby or even Animal Crossing instead, but those games aren't quite the same.

And congratulations on your anniversary!

Media doesn't own your sexuality. Media doesn't own your gender. You do.

You give media the power to influence and make yourself uncomfortable. If you want to enjoy Zelda or Donkey Kong or Mario...enjoy them for enjoyment. So what if Link's a dude or Donkey Kong is a giant poo flinging monkey. It's a game. Not only is it a game but it's a game not even making a statement on sex or gender or anything of that nature. Hell, Nintendo (since we're talking about Nintento games) is so scrubbed clean of anything that might passably be offensive to anyone ever that they've become a sad, stale parody of themselves so resistant and terrified of change that they crank out the same game by rote.

Link being a dude saying nothing about your gender, nothing about your sexuality, nothing about...anything about you. Even on a level of vain, petty escapism. They're so gender neutral as to be devoid of character whatsoever. Designed to be, in fact, so that anyone and everyone can slot in and be at home. But even if they weren't it doesn't matter. Marcus Fenix of Gears of War fame is as MAN as you get...but he's just a bunch of ones and zeroes. Marcus Fenix owns your sexuality and gender as much as the paint on the wall does and says about as much about it as whatever you're sitting on when you play it.

One could simply sum this all up as "stop cramming sex and slamming gender politics into a place that it neither belongs nor exists in in the first place" but that might be too...pithy. So I'll end (almost) on this note instead. Do what you enjoy. If playing Zelda is something you enjoy, keep on doing it and Link's non-existent genitals be damned. Him being a dude doesn't change the fact that you're a woman (or...whatever you're going with 137ben...honestly don't know)

Unless of course the only way for you to enjoy media is if it comports directly with your sexuality and ethics and gender and whatnot. If that's the case...whew...can't even willingly tread there.

[Astrella]

It does get easier over time I find; earlier on in my transition I found it harder to identify with male characters / had a bit of a repulsion-y thing going on cause I didn't want to invalidate myself / was worried it would / etc... but it's been better and it's been presenting less mental dissonance these days.

[Dire Moose]

I'm glad to hear that, I identify asc agendered myself. Trans feminine though. Finally starting to look different methinks.

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Am I actually seeing a bit of a smile there? ;)

You never used to smile in pictures before... must be a good sign.

Anyway, glad things are going well for you. If you're ever in Phoenix again, please let us know. We'd love to hang out sometime.

[Lettuce]

So I have kind of vaguely danced around this one issue a lot because of how absurd it would sound, but I'm hitting a critical point in transition mentally and can't handle it anymore. There is one major thing tying me to being male that I just cannot get past. And it is tearing me apart.

I have been a huge fan of Legend of Zelda ever since my best friend got me Ocarina of Time for Christmas many years ago. I enjoyed the story, the gameplay, everything. But most of all, what I loved about this series was truly being able to see myself in the main character. Link and I do look very much alike, and the designers created the character as mainly a blank slate to fill in with your own personality. So I did. Link and I became more and more intertwined over time as I began seeing parallels to my life in the stories of the games, applying certain philosophical aspects of them to my own life, etc. I have even cosplaying Link at many conventions.

As I figured out more aspects of myself I simply integrated them into my version of Link. I realized I was probably mildly autistic? Well then Link must be mildly autistic too. After I came out as bisexual, I began viewing Link as bisexual as well.

This brings us to a rather obvious problem. I have now hit on the idea that I am transgender. And that I prefer being female over being male. And this is not something that I can treat like everything else. Applying that to Link is impossible as there is no "gender option" in the game. Link is clearly male. And to maintain the previously established connection, that would have to change. But it can't be changed. So therefore, I have no choice but to retain some identity as male, even if otherwise I'd rather not.

This must seem really silly to anyone reading this. After all, it's just a video game, right? And you can still be female and play a male character, right? Well, I tried that. Attempting to play while identifying and presenting female gave me such a sense of pain that I could feel it physically. It was as if something had been physically severed. Subsequent attempts led to me having to fight so hard to retain a sense of female identity that any enjoyment of the game was lost, and a sense of every bit of joy in it being gone, the experience being dead, and me just going through the motions. It seems it just isn't possible to have that kind of enjoyment as female because the connection is lost.

I have been dealing with the loss now by just not playing any of the games, but I look back and really wish I could play them, and feeling sad that I can't. Especially since life as female feels more vibrant, more exciting, and more joyful than life as male. There just is no way to integrate this one thing I really love into my identity as female, and it's driving me insane. I have been trying to think of any solution to this problem, even just find someone, anyone else who has gone through something similar, but no matter what I look for, it seems to me that nobody has ever had to deal with anything even remotely like this, ever.

So that's it. That's the one thing keeping me from jumping into transition. As stupid and silly as it may sound, it is very real and very frustrating to me. And I'm finally posting it here now because I'm getting to a point where I can't keep avoiding it anymore. Please let me know if there is anything that can be done or any way to deal with this.

A few other points:

Don't mention Linkle. She was a side character from one game that isn't even part of the series canon, and is thus irrelevant.

Don't point out that Link is androgynous. Androgynous and female are different things.

For whatever it's worth, you're not alone.

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This may sound weird coming from a cis woman, but I actually really relate to a good bit of what you wrote.

I've always told others that I'm "a fan of the Zelda series", but across all of the games and all of the characters, it's always been Link who I've most related to, far more than any other character in the series. (Certainly way more than any iteration of Zelda! Or even girls who have gotten more dialogue, like Midna.) I've been playing the series since I was roughly five or six years old. When I was 11 and OoT came out, I was the first in line for the midnight release. I actually ordered Majora's Mask from Japan before it was released overseas (but didn't manage to find my way around the region lock before it released in America). I've dressed as Link for Halloween. I made a replica of the Master Sword. I got into archery (basically entirely because I was inspired by Link's example and wanted to be more like him). I learned how to write Hylian script (both OoT/MM Hylian and TP Hylian-- the latter in which I've written love letters to my now-husband, just in case I don't have enough geek cred yet ).

But more than that, I immersed myself in Link's stories. The adventures he's had, the trials he's overcome, the lives he's lived. And I made up my own unwritten stories interacting with various NPCs, too. It probably does sound a little crazy, but some of the things he went through (particularly in Majora's Mask) were philosophically analogous to things that I was going through in my own life... and by not just watching him handle those things-- but playing the game and being the one TO handle things, as him-- helped give me a path, a mindset to cope with some really tough stuff in my own life. I saw myself in him. His struggles were my struggles, and somehow through that connection, mine were also his. We were one and the same.

I feel like that kind of deep connection to a character is something that a lot of people struggle to understand. I remember back in high school, one of my cousins, upon learning how 'into Zelda' I was and how important Link was to me, made a sketch of Link hugging me with a little heart. I remember telling her that it was really cute, but it's not so much that I'm Link's "fan", or that I have a crush on him or something. I AM Link. And I remember her being baffled, and actually outright protesting to me, "but Link's a guy!" And so now, I'm going to tell you the same thing that I told her:

Link is a hero.

Link shouldn't be defined by his body any more than any of us should. He should be defined by who he is-- by his actions and his courage in the face of darkness. It doesn't matter if some (or at this moment, potentially all) iterations of Link that Nintendo has made were AMAB-- that's not the sum of his person. Maybe it's just been my own reading, but I've never gotten the feeling that being male is particularly important to Link himself. If you wrote a long list of descriptors about Link, "being AMAB" is pretty far down the list. Heck, for physical descriptors I feel like "being left handed" (usually) or "wearing green" (usually) is higher up the list than what he has under his tunic. I feel like if you were to ask a lot of people who Link is, they'd say something like "great swordsman" or "musically talented" or "versatile and a great problem-solver" or "always has time to help others"-- or simply, "he is a hero".

I identify with Link because he is Link. Now, we do have some other, slightly more superficial things in common-- I know how to use a bow and ride a horse, and I like to think I'm not a terrible musician either. But do I have everything in common with him? Heck no! I have dark hair, I'm not left-handed, I know very little about how to use a sword, and I'm very much a woman. But none of that matters. I identify with his character. I was ostracized for "not belonging" as a kid; I lost my parents; I'd take great risks and move heaven and earth to help those I love. I live my life courageously. The Spirit of the Hero is in me-- and it is in you, too.

So don't let a few voice clips and pronouns in other peoples' dialogue stand in the way of your special connection to something you love. Don't let it destroy your past happy memories, and don't let it take away all of the future possibilities you'll have. (And hey, if it helps, apparently actually four of Link's voice actors over the years have been female anyway (out of nine total at a quick glance).) It's not the first time other characters have been wrong about who someone is, anyway-- think about the masks Link wears in MM. He doesn't actually completely become Mikau or Darmani (or the Deku Butler's son)-- he is still Link, the hero, taking their forms and taking up their causes so he can heal their very souls. Maybe someday Nintendo will actually have the option for a girl avatar, which for the record I'd also really like-- but no matter what, Link and I will continue saving Hyrule and leading our courage to one another. We'll fight through the darkness together as one, just as we always have.

So if you identify with his valor, his determination, his humility, his resourcefulness, his desire to help others, or anything and everything else about him, don't let anyone or anything-- not even your own doubts-- hold you back. Speaking as a cis girl: Identifying with Link does not make you any less feminine or any more masculine. It makes you a person who has feelings, experiences, worldviews, and/or reactions similar to another. It makes you human.

Hugs (if you want them) from another "Link".

[Dire Moose]

For whatever it's worth, you're not alone.

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This may sound weird coming from a cis woman, but I actually really relate to a good bit of what you wrote.

I've always told others that I'm "a fan of the Zelda series", but across all of the games and all of the characters, it's always been Link who I've most related to, far more than any other character in the series. (Certainly way more than any iteration of Zelda! Or even girls who have gotten more dialogue, like Midna.) I've been playing the series since I was roughly five or six years old. When I was 11 and OoT came out, I was the first in line for the midnight release. I actually ordered Majora's Mask from Japan before it was released overseas (but didn't manage to find my way around the region lock before it released in America). I've dressed as Link for Halloween. I made a replica of the Master Sword. I got into archery (basically entirely because I was inspired by Link's example and wanted to be more like him). I learned how to write Hylian script (both OoT/MM Hylian and TP Hylian-- the latter in which I've written love letters to my now-husband, just in case I don't have enough geek cred yet ).

But more than that, I immersed myself in Link's stories. The adventures he's had, the trials he's overcome, the lives he's lived. And I made up my own unwritten stories interacting with various NPCs, too. It probably does sound a little crazy, but some of the things he went through (particularly in Majora's Mask) were philosophically analogous to things that I was going through in my own life... and by not just watching him handle those things-- but playing the game and being the one TO handle things, as him-- helped give me a path, a mindset to cope with some really tough stuff in my own life. I saw myself in him. His struggles were my struggles, and somehow through that connection, mine were also his. We were one and the same.

I feel like that kind of deep connection to a character is something that a lot of people struggle to understand. I remember back in high school, one of my cousins, upon learning how 'into Zelda' I was and how important Link was to me, made a sketch of Link hugging me with a little heart. I remember telling her that it was really cute, but it's not so much that I'm Link's "fan", or that I have a crush on him or something. I AM Link. And I remember her being baffled, and actually outright protesting to me, "but Link's a guy!" And so now, I'm going to tell you the same thing that I told her:

Link is a hero.

Link shouldn't be defined by his body any more than any of us should. He should be defined by who he is-- by his actions and his courage in the face of darkness. It doesn't matter if some (or at this moment, potentially all) iterations of Link that Nintendo has made were AMAB-- that's not the sum of his person. Maybe it's just been my own reading, but I've never gotten the feeling that being male is particularly important to Link himself. If you wrote a long list of descriptors about Link, "being AMAB" is pretty far down the list. Heck, for physical descriptors I feel like "being left handed" (usually) or "wearing green" (usually) is higher up the list than what he has under his tunic. I feel like if you were to ask a lot of people who Link is, they'd say something like "great swordsman" or "musically talented" or "versatile and a great problem-solver" or "always has time to help others"-- or simply, "he is a hero".

I identify with Link because he is Link. Now, we do have some other, slightly more superficial things in common-- I know how to use a bow and ride a horse, and I like to think I'm not a terrible musician either. But do I have everything in common with him? Heck no! I have dark hair, I'm not left-handed, I know very little about how to use a sword, and I'm very much a woman. But none of that matters. I identify with his character. I was ostracized for "not belonging" as a kid; I lost my parents; I'd take great risks and move heaven and earth to help those I love. I live my life courageously. The Spirit of the Hero is in me-- and it is in you, too.

So don't let a few voice clips and pronouns in other peoples' dialogue stand in the way of your special connection to something you love. Don't let it destroy your past happy memories, and don't let it take away all of the future possibilities you'll have. (And hey, if it helps, apparently actually four of Link's voice actors over the years have been female anyway (out of nine total at a quick glance).) It's not the first time other characters have been wrong about who someone is, anyway-- think about the masks Link wears in MM. He doesn't actually completely become Mikau or Darmani (or the Deku Butler's son)-- he is still Link, the hero, taking their forms and taking up their causes so he can heal their very souls. Maybe someday Nintendo will actually have the option for a girl avatar, which for the record I'd also really like-- but no matter what, Link and I will continue saving Hyrule and leading our courage to one another. We'll fight through the darkness together as one, just as we always have.

So if you identify with his valor, his determination, his humility, his resourcefulness, his desire to help others, or anything and everything else about him, don't let anyone or anything-- not even your own doubts-- hold you back. Speaking as a cis girl: Identifying with Link does not make you any less feminine or any more masculine. It makes you a person who has feelings, experiences, worldviews, and/or reactions similar to another. It makes you human.

Hugs (if you want them) from another "Link".

Thanks for the hugs. At the moment, I've been taking this as an example of my male side needing to express itself. As time goes on, I may end up getting more comfortable doing this as female, or so may find that only my male half is into it and thus only do it on my "boy days." Regardless it is good to know that it's fine for a girl to see herself that way too.

[ve4grm]

Thanks for the hugs. At the moment, I've been taking this as an example of my male side needing to express itself. As time goes on, I may end up getting more comfortable doing this as female, or so may find that only my male half is into it and thus only do it on my "boy days." Regardless it is good to know that it's fine for a girl to see herself that way too.

This is a good attitude towards it.

It may mean even less from a cis male, but like Lettuce identifies with Link, many of the game and show characters I identify with most are female. Gender is, IMO, the least important factor for identifying with a character. Personality, backstory, talents, and actions all lead me to identify stronger with someone than looks or gender ever could.

Obviously it's easier for me to say that, as most protagonists are still male and representation is still very important to strive for, but it definitely is true for me. And gender may be more important for you, which is fine.

But just like you don't necessarily need to be a left-handed elf to identify with Link, hopefully you can learn to at least be comfortable with the character when your gender doesn't match as well, even if the identification isn't there on those days..

All the best!

[Shadowscale]

Am I actually seeing a bit of a smile there? ;)

You never used to smile in pictures before... must be a good sign.

Anyway, glad things are going well for you. If you're ever in Phoenix again, please let us know. We'd love to hang out sometime.

I'll take ya up on that. No longer have any family out there, well I do, but they don't want to associate with lil ol me.
Yeah I taught myself how to smile, I think looking closer to how I wanted helped.

[Malozing]

I'll take ya up on that. No longer have any family out there, well I do, but they don't want to associate with lil ol me.
Yeah I taught myself how to smile, I think looking closer to how I wanted helped.

It helps tremendously when your idea of yourself match the reflection in the mirror. I am sorry that your blood relations can't see what they are missing out on, but I think being away from people who will tear you down because you don't fit their idea of you is another reason you can smile now.

Here's to many more reasons for you to smile and many more friends who accept you for you.

[Dire Moose]

Sigh.

I don't know how to handle this whole genderfluid thing. I try presenting female because I'm curious about being a girl, kind of like it, do it more and have fun with it, but every time I do it I start to build up this anxious undercurrent of "no, this isn't right..." usually tied to the male characters and roles I've historically identified with, which just keeps building until I can't handle it and I crash back to being male again. This lasts for a while until I get curious about being a girl again and the cycle just repeats itself.

How can I feel comfortable about being both genders, and how can I reassure both sides of myself that they won't be erased by the other? It just feels like I'm being blown around in a tornado right now.

[Malozing]

Sigh.

I don't know how to handle this whole genderfluid thing. I try presenting female because I'm curious about being a girl, kind of like it, do it more and have fun with it, but every time I do it I start to build up this anxious undercurrent of "no, this isn't right..." usually tied to the male characters and roles I've historically identified with, which just keeps building until I can't handle it and I crash back to being male again. This lasts for a while until I get curious about being a girl again and the cycle just repeats itself.

How can I feel comfortable about being both genders, and how can I reassure both sides of myself that they won't be erased by the other? It just feels like I'm being blown around in a tornado right now.

Sadly becoming comfortable as gender fluid takes both time, an excellent support network, and trail and error.

I spent most of my years in high school as “one of the guys.” I spent time working in a comic shop as the only women. I often had to put customers in their place for thinking girls aren't knowledgeable about comics. I sometimes wear a binder. I had to defend my identity to some people, but those who continued badgering me to choose a gender and what gender I liked, I eventual learned to drop from my life. That took time and a lot of sessions with my therapist.

I did a ton of my gender exploration through DnD and other tabletop RPGs. (My high school DnD group often mixed which pronouns I used with my characters' pronouns.) If a new gaming group I join gives me any shade about "not playing my gender," I dropped to find a group that was supportive. Thankfully most games I join now have at least one member of my support network.

Everyone is a little different. What I have done may help you or it may not. If you need someone to listen or a shoulder to lean on, feel free to PM me.

[Kesnit]

Media doesn't own your sexuality. Media doesn't own your gender. You do.

You give media the power to influence and make yourself uncomfortable. If you want to enjoy Zelda or Donkey Kong or Mario...enjoy them for enjoyment. So what if Link's a dude or Donkey Kong is a giant poo flinging monkey. It's a game. Not only is it a game but it's a game not even making a statement on sex or gender or anything of that nature.

Link being a dude saying nothing about your gender, nothing about your sexuality, nothing about...anything about you. Even on a level of vain, petty escapism. They're so gender neutral as to be devoid of character whatsoever. Designed to be, in fact, so that anyone and everyone can slot in and be at home. But even if they weren't it doesn't matter. Marcus Fenix of Gears of War fame is as MAN as you get...but he's just a bunch of ones and zeroes. Marcus Fenix owns your sexuality and gender as much as the paint on the wall does and says about as much about it as whatever you're sitting on when you play it.

Gender is, IMO, the least important factor for identifying with a character. Personality, backstory, talents, and actions all lead me to identify stronger with someone than looks or gender ever could.

I agree with these two statements.

My favorite genre are RPGs. I have horrible new-class-itis in a lot of games where you can build your own PC. (I currently have 6 active playthroughs of Skyrim...) In every game where you can pick your PCs gender, I have a mix of male and female characters. I do it because when I set out to make a character, I figure out who the person is and how I see that person in my mind. Sometimes the person is male; sometimes female. (I admit, I have a habit of making my tough melee characters female.) The gender does not affect how I see or play the character. It's a character on a screen - the way I interact with the game world.


A few amusing updates from my life...

1) My parents moved to the southern US a few years ago, but still travel back to see the rest of the family for Christmas. This past Christmas, they realized they would pass very close to where I live now and wanted to meet me for dinner. I agreed, but then realized I would have to shave. I've worn facial hair for years, as I think I have a baby face when I am clean-shaven. But in the interest in family peace, off came the beard. But in good news, it grew back quickly!


2) I am a criminal defense attorney in a conservative city. Earlier this week, a client came to meet with me. Also with her was another woman and a pre-teen girl. The girl sat in the waiting room, and the two women came back to my office. I'm used to family members coming to client meetings, so having an extra person didn't make me think twice. When the second woman was not introduced with her relationship to my client (i.e. "this is my sister"), I began to suspect these two were married. (Their interactions with each other were also a clue.) A while into the meeting, my client mentions in passing that the other woman is her wife. I didn't say anything, just gave a quick nod and went on with the conversation. A few minutes later, my client said "I did mention that she is my wife, right?" I had my head down and was writing, so just said "yes, you did" without looking up.

In hindsight, I wonder if they were trying to gauge my reaction to knowing their relationship. Wanting to make sure I wasn't going to wig out on representing my client or something. (I'm court appointed. I can't wig out, even if I wanted to!)

[ArlEammon]

Where I live in Arizona is a HORRIBLE place to be gay or bi or whatever. Almost no where to go to meet.

[Shadowscale]

going to just cross post this from the questions thread:
Anyone else here agendered? Since I still present trans feminine and am on HRT I don't consider myself Non binary, does that make sense?

[Dire Moose]

I actually know some people who were AMAB, transitioned on HRT, and live full time as women, who also identify as nonbinary for different reasons. I also know a couple of trans masculine AFAB people who are the same way. I tend to use nonbinary as kind of an umbrella term that covers anyone who doesn't strictly identify as male or female, which could include things like agender and genderfluid.

ArlEammon: Arizona is hardly devoid of LGBT people; you just need to know where to look. Might want to check out Phoenix Pride around the beginning of April; there are all kinds of different LGBT organizations that show up for that and you might find something that suits you there. In the meantime I 'm part of a group of LGBT gamers here that might work for you; look up "Phoenix Gaymers" if you're interested.

[Shadowscale]

last 3 posters are from Arizona :O

[Dire Moose]

last 3 posters are from Arizona :O

Didn't you move to Colorado though?

[137beth]

Oops, looks like I'm breaking the Arizona trend!

[Dire Moose]

And ArlEammon thinks there aren't a lot of LGBT people in this state...

Speaking of which, there are two gay bars and a lesbian bar on 7th Avenue between Camelback and Bethany Home, plus a third gay bar on 19th and Bethany Home.

Is there something up with the water supply here?

[Shadowscale]

Didn't you move to Colorado though?

Yeah but my profile says otherwise. I'm in Kansas these days actually.

[Dire Moose]

Yeah but my profile says otherwise. I'm in Kansas these days actually.

Kansas? What's so great about flat boring corn-and-cows land?

[Shadowscale]

Kansas? What's so great about flat boring corn-and-cows land?

Not a whole lot, I'm right by Kansas City though surprisingly LGBT friendly. Long story.

[Mystic Muse]

Why move to the flat boring land of corn, if I may ask?

That's Indiana that you're thinking of.