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    Question How many solars are there?

    I think I remember reading a 1e or 2e book that showed exact numbers of the hierarchy of the good-aligned planes, including the number of solars, the various types of archons, et cetera. Can anyone tell me what book that was, and how many solars there are?

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    Which setting?

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    Which setting?
    I think I might vaguely recall what they are talking about and if I do then I think Greyhawk?
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    How many solars are there?

    Well, how many do you want there to be?
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    The question is how many can dance on the head of a pin? So really you need to solve the solar/pin conundrum first, then how many pins do you have in the Seven Heavens.
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    Default Re: How many solars are there?

    2d4 of them, accompanied by 3d6 lesser celestials and 3d6 priests of various stripes. Unless it's in their lair, then you have 10d6 solars. One in every 10 will be a solar lieutenant with 8 extra HD and 2 better AC. One will be the chieftain with 16 extra HD and 3 better AC, plus one die of damage. Oh, and 10d6 noncombative solars.

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    Going from memory alone, I am pretty sure that the 1e MM2 states there are at least 24.

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    Approximately 100-200 solars canonically.

    Source: http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Solar_Exalted
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    Right now I see no solars.
    So I guess that where I am there is no solars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by viking vince View Post
    Going from memory alone, I am pretty sure that the 1e MM2 states there are at least 24.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mastikator View Post
    Approximately 100-200 solars canonically.

    Source: http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Solar_Exalted
    IIRC there were originally 300 Solars, who were usurped by the Sidereals and stuck in the Jade Prison because they were coming close to selfishing the world to death via their Limit Breaks or something. Then when the Deathlords managed to break the Jade Prison 150 Solar Exaltations were stolen, 100 turned into Abyssals and 50 turned into Infernals.

    Now, IIRC, Abyssals are a mixture between vampires and 'dark solars', and their castes are pretty much identical to Solar castes in concept, while the Infernals are further away. So you could theoretically still count it as 250 or even 300 Solars, but in practice it's only 150 Solars still remaining, unless the gods can remember how to create more Exaltations.
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    So here I am, trapped in my laboratory, trying to create a Mechabeast that's powerful enough to take down the howling horde outside my door, but also won't join them once it realizes what I've done...twentieth time's the charm, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymouswizard View Post
    So you could theoretically still count it as 250 or even 300 Solars, but in practice it's only 150 Solars still remaining, unless the gods can remember how to create more Exaltations.
    In E3, any god can create exaltations, although the cost is steep and they need Unconquered Sun's permission. (Or it might be that US has a huge stockpile of blank exaltations lying around somewhere, but they're crazy expensive to fill - the power drain is implied as one reason why the celestial incarnae haven't been as active since making their exalted.) But the power drain is the limiting factor instead of only having X amounts of toys to play with and never getting another.

    Back to the D&D angels/aasimon/whatever, there are more than two. As practically divine beings, you shouldn't use them except as big named characters and should most likely have the same one as a recurring character instead of having new ones stop by regularly. (If you read the Dresden Files, Harry doesn't chat with random archangels. He's occasionally dealt with Uriel, though.) If you're looking for an upper limit to how many solars can power a good aligned wish farm, the answer is that a good aligned god has a chat with you about how his top agents have more important roles in maintaining the cosmos. If you're looking to have all the solars show up to show how big an event is, that's an event that only impresses a specific and narrow subset of players; those who know that a character is a big deal in the game's mythology, while also not realizing that the number doesn't mean much when the DM could fiat up a thousand times that number if the whim struck him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anymage View Post
    In E3, any god can create exaltations, (...)
    ... but Solars are a sub-set of Exalts, and NOT just any god can create Solars.

    Perhaps nobody can create more Solars ever again, even in Ex3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nifft View Post
    ... but Solars are a sub-set of Exalts, and NOT just any god can create Solars.

    Perhaps nobody can create more Solars ever again, even in Ex3.
    Yeah, as I understand it Exingents are more like special one of a kind Exaltations, or at least each is specifically created, as compared to the 'standard' Celestial Exaltations and the Terrestrial Exaltations (the latter as far as I can tell appear out of nowhere with the right bloodline).

    FWIW, as far as I can remember you're not quite the same person after becoming an Exalted, due to having gained an additional soul, more of a mixture of your mortal identity and previous Exalted lives. But Exalted really isn't my kind of fantasy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelphas View Post
    So here I am, trapped in my laboratory, trying to create a Mechabeast that's powerful enough to take down the howling horde outside my door, but also won't join them once it realizes what I've done...twentieth time's the charm, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymouswizard View Post
    Yeah, as I understand it Exingents are more like special one of a kind Exaltations, or at least each is specifically created, as compared to the 'standard' Celestial Exaltations and the Terrestrial Exaltations (the latter as far as I can tell appear out of nowhere with the right bloodline).
    It's not even that -- Solar Exalted are one type of Celestial Exalt -- there's also Lunar and Siderial, plus whatever they add in later Ex3 splat-books.

    At the dawn of the First Age, the number of Celestial Exalted was exactly 700, of which 300 were Solars.

    So it's a small and very specific number which can only go down as meta-plot happens.

    And yeah the Exigents are special-yet-vague one-off things which aren't accounted for, but which also aren't Solars, so they're irrelevant for the pun which started this mild detour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nifft View Post
    It's not even that -- Solar Exalted are one type of Celestial Exalt -- there's also Lunar and Siderial, plus whatever they add in later Ex3 splat-books.

    At the dawn of the First Age, the number of Celestial Exalted was exactly 700, of which 300 were Solars.

    So it's a small and very specific number which can only go down as meta-plot happens.

    And yeah the Exigents are special-yet-vague one-off things which aren't accounted for, but which also aren't Solars, so they're irrelevant for the pun which started this mild detour.
    Yeah, I know all this, but in terms of 'how Exaltations are made' I considered all Celestials equal, 700 Exaltations were mass produced eons ago and they get recycled as their holders die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelphas View Post
    So here I am, trapped in my laboratory, trying to create a Mechabeast that's powerful enough to take down the howling horde outside my door, but also won't join them once it realizes what I've done...twentieth time's the charm, right?
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    The implication of exigents is that older editions stance of "only this many, never any more" doesn't hold any more. New exaltations can be made. There's surely a reason why the celestial incarnae haven't made any more since. But the specific statement I was replying to, that the limit is that the gods can't remember how to make more exaltations (or the official 2e stance, that they required primordial made thingamajobs that nobody can get anymore) are demonstratably false.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe the Rat View Post
    I doubt there are many more. The Cosmos can only handle so much of those fabulous sideburns.
    Is it just me or does that Solar look kind of Joaquin Phoenix?

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    Fifth edition Monster Manual, page 18:

    "It is said that only twenty-four solars exist. The few solars that are known are stewards of specific deities. The others rest in a state of contemplation, waiting for the time when their services are needed to stave off some cosmic threat to the cause of good. "
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