Prestige Class Contest Chat Thread I

[JoshuaZ]

Soon. Sorry, I'm an emotional wreck and I just can't handle anything at the moment. Tomorrow probably.

Sorry to hear that. I hope everything works out. And don't worry too much about this. Silly internet contests aren't as important as self-care. If you want, someone else can run the voting thread.

[JoshuaZ]

We haven't gotten many votes. Do people want to hurry up and get their votes in before the voting closes. Voting thread is here.

[rferries]

We're just waiting for the votes from MrNobody I think.

[JoshuaZ]

We're just waiting for the votes from MrNobody I think.

There's no reason though that non-contestants shouldn't add their votes also.

[rferries]

There's no reason though that non-contestants shouldn't add their votes also.

Ah yes of course! :)

[JoshuaZ]

Thank you for rferries for closing the contest. Congratulations to everyone. Is there desire for another contest and if so, what do people want as a theme?

[rferries]

I'd most likely be up for one. The prestige contests are easier to write up than the base class contests, IMHO.

[MrNobody]

I'm really sorry i forgot to vote for the contest: the last few month were though, i mostly lurked the forum barely giving a reply or two. I totaly forgot about the contest and about the Hellbound Cultist.

Since you liked it so much I may work on it in the near future to finish it.

If i'll manage to gather enough time to brew i will gladly pick up the next contest, this time managing to vote first! :)

[JoshuaZ]

Suggested themes:

"Swords and sorcery"- for gishes.

"Hybrid power" - for theurge classes (this has been done a few times in previous contests and seems to never get old.)

"Light is not necessarily good. Darkness is not necessarily evil."

"Against the Gods"

"With a single spell"

"Forbidden knowledge"

A few which have broad themes which aren't as narrowly defined but sound neat enough:

"Nature or nurture"

"Fate or free will"

"Blood and iron."

Do any of these particularly appeal to anyone?

[neriractor]

Suggested themes:

1)"Swords and sorcery"- for gishes.

2)"Hybrid power" - for theurge classes (this has been done a few times in previous contests and seems to never get old.)

3)"Light is not necessarily good. Darkness is not necessarily evil."

4)"Against the Gods"

5)"With a single spell"

6)"Forbidden knowledge"

A few which have broad themes which aren't as narrowly defined but sound neat enough:

7)"Nature or nurture"

8)"Fate of free will"

9)"Blood and iron."

Do any of these particularly appeal to anyone?

I like 2, 6 and 9. And will be participating in the next one, thanks for reviving it!

[Lanth Sor]

Light of Sin/Shadow of Purity, Blood and Iron

[Morphic tide]

Suggested themes:

"Swords and sorcery"- for gishes.

"Hybrid power" - for theurge classes (this has been done a few times in previous contests and seems to never get old.)

"Light is not necessarily good. Darkness is not necessarily evil."

"Against the Gods"

"With a single spell"

"Forbidden knowledge"

A few which have broad themes which aren't as narrowly defined but sound neat enough:

"Nature or nurture"

"Fate of free will"

"Blood and iron."

Do any of these particularly appeal to anyone?

I'll be down for "Swords and Sorcery", "Hybrid Power", "Against the Gods", "With a Single Spell" and "Blood and Iron". The first two and last can be met by the same setup of Tome of Battle crossing with Infusions, oddly enough, while the second and third overlap with Invocation/Divine combinations that override the usual restrictions on Divine magic.

I'm thinking of "Blood and Iron" as battle-smith ideas and blood-based crafting, FYI.

[rferries]

To throw even more votes into this confusing mix, I'll vote for:

Hybrid Power

"Light is not necessarily good. Darkness is not necessarily evil."

Blood & Iron

[Aniikinis]

Tossing my hat in again just in case I have a burst of motivation:

"Forbidden Knowledge"

"With a Single Spell"

"Light is not necessarily good. Darkness is not necessarily evil."

[ShiningStarling]

With a single spell, for sure, cause I love playing with the text of spells for fun results, and the sheer amount of spells in the game is more limiting than freeing

[JoshuaZ]

I wasn't intending my list to be comprehensive, but I guess people have interpreted it that way? If there are any others people would rather see for the next contest, by all means let's hear them!

[JoshuaZ]

Ok, bumping slightly, and tallying votes: Single spell 3 Forbidden Knowledge 2 Hybrid Power 3 Light is not necessarily good 2 Blood and Iron 4 Against the Gods 1 Swords and Sorcery 1, so right now it looks like "Blood and Iron" looking to be the next contest.

[JoshuaZ]

And based on the voting, I've decided to go and start our new contest which can be found here.

[Maat Mons]

Giantitp imitating minmaxforum imitating giantitp.

[rferries]

Giantitp imitating minmaxforum imitating giantitp.

Ha! After reading some of those I'm a bit intimidated - the Master of Opening and Closing is probably the best possible take on this theme :D

[JoshuaZ]

Ha! After reading some of those I'm a bit intimidated - the Master of Opening and Closing is probably the best possible take on this theme :D

Yeah, I agree some of those are very good.

Right now I'm working on one tentatively called a "Counterfactual Caster". They use Mage's Lucubration but can recall spells one never cast because there are possible versions of themselves that would have cast that spell.

[MrNobody]

I'm toying around a couple of ideas: the Nostalgic (?) Mage, a wizard that studies one of its first level spells so hard that unlock other new effects for it; or a necromancer that uses speak with the dead to assume feats, skills, memories and even the appearence of the dead.

I hope i'll gather enough time to work on one of these.

[rferries]

I'm toying around a couple of ideas: the Nostalgic (?) Mage, a wizard that studies one of its first level spells so hard that unlock other new effects for it; or a necromancer that uses speak with the dead to assume feats, skills, memories and even the appearence of the dead.

I hope i'll gather enough time to work on one of these.

Both of those sound cool! The former might entail a LOT of work though.

[MrNobody]

Both of those sound cool! The former might entail a LOT of work though.

I know, sadly. And with my current lack of time it might not be the best choice: i'm afraid it would remain unfinished like my entry for the previous contest!

Anyway, if i'll manage the time needed i'll use only the 1st level wizard spells from Players Handbook and no more.

[JoshuaZ]

Rferries, a quick few thought on The Prestigidator:

"meaning that she does need a divine focus to cast them"
- should this be "does not need"?

Also, does duplication of spells this way count as knowing the spell for prerequisite purposes? Also, when a spell is duplicated this way, is the save DC and effective spell level that of the heightened spell or that of the original spell?
Can they only duplicate spells from the classes listed or can they also duplicate specialized spells from other classes?

Also, why extend only 5 levels? If the class went another 5 can duplicate 5th level spells with 7th level slots
which doesn't seem unbalanced as long as they lost a caster level somewhere. And then that would potentially lead to a nice epic progression.

Finally, some thoughts about other potential class features: It might be neat if they can automatically cast prestidigitation as a stilled or silenced spell a certain number of times daily. Also, maybe a level 1 heightened prestidigitation should be able to duplicate cantrips?

[rferries]

Rferries, a quick few thought on The Prestigidator:

"meaning that she does need a divine focus to cast them"
- should this be "does not need"?

Absolutely, can't believe I missed that.

Also, does duplication of spells this way count as knowing the spell for prerequisite purposes? Also, when a spell is duplicated this way, is the save DC and effective spell level that of the heightened spell or that of the original spell?
Can they only duplicate spells from the classes listed or can they also duplicate specialized spells from other classes?

-Doesn't count as knowing the spell (just as being able to cast limited wish doesn't mean you know all low-level spells etc).
-Added proviso re: spell level and DCs
-Can duplicate unique spells yes; the listed classes are just for spells that appear on multiple lists.

Also, why extend only 5 levels? If the class went another 5 can duplicate 5th level spells with 7th level slots
which doesn't seem unbalanced as long as they lost a caster level somewhere. And then that would potentially lead to a nice epic progression.

That's a bit more powerful than I was planning with respect to the class flavour; note that this prestige class gives a HUGE amount of versatility to sorcerers in particular.

Finally, some thoughts about other potential class features: It might be neat if they can automatically cast prestidigitation as a stilled or silenced spell a certain number of times daily. Also, maybe a level 1 heightened prestidigitation should be able to duplicate cantrips?

Added at-will prestidigitation. Cantrips can be duplicated with the 3rd-level prestidigitation (inelegant but I can't imagine bothering to duplicate a cantrip anyways).

[JoshuaZ]

-Doesn't count as knowing the spell (just as being able to cast limited wish doesn't mean you know all low-level spells etc).
-Added proviso re: spell level and DCs
-Can duplicate unique spells yes; the listed classes are just for spells that appear on multiple lists.

Hmm, the ability to duplicate unique spells is going to be really powerful potentially.

That's a bit more powerful than I was planning with respect to the class flavour; note that this prestige class gives a HUGE amount of versatility to sorcerers in particular.

Yeah, that's essentially why I was thinking if one did so one would need to lose some caster levels to make up for it. I agree that a sorcerer is going to find this insanely useful even as just five levels.

Added at-will prestidigitation. Cantrips can be duplicated with the 3rd-level prestidigitation (inelegant but I can't imagine bothering to duplicate a cantrip anyways).

Probably a good enough solution then. And yeah, almost any time one wants to use a cantrip one would have a first level spell one can duplicate that will be as good or better.

[Gideon Falcon]

I'm just sad Jormungandr never got to finish his Elite Spellcaster series. They were some really cool concepts- whatever problems anybody had with him, he was definitely a good brewer.

[MrNobody]

What happened to Jorm? I 've just realized he got banned!!

[Unavenger]

What happened to Jorm? I 've just realized he got banned!!

So, the version I heard was that it revealed that it was attracted to children, this led to a flame-war, and "attracted to" got heavily misinterpreted at some point along the line with predictable results. It's about on Myth-Weavers and MinMax forums (also on Discord, which is where I mainly keep up with it) if you wanted to ask it more than that. I don't want to post a long update on its behalf about where various projects are headed because, well, we have a rule that you can't post on the behalf of banned posters. But there are ways to ask it directly, still.