I've lost the will to hombrew...

[Krimm_Blackleaf]

Ever since today I simply don't have it in me. I hear 4e's arrival, and it fills me with cold and slows me down. I had all these ideas within me for PrC's, monsters, feats and so on but now it all looks grey and unpleasant, like they went bad in the fridge. I must feel just like 2e-er's when 3.0 came 'round, if there was as much homebrew back then as there is now. I don't want this to be another 'Garh, 4e is teh suck' thread. What I want to express is my disallusionment for the homebrew of 3.5.

Tell me if you feel the same, or opposite or neither of them.

[Kyeudo]

You've got 8 months left to homebrew, and then you can simply convert your material over to 4th edition, should it still be relevent. We don't know that the mechanics will be too greatly different yet.

[Matthew]

I think that I am going do a 'best of' Matthew's Homebrew and Houserules for 3e. It'll be kind of like finishing a project. I'll put it in a PDF if I find the time. I am quite into that prospect, though I might well lose the will to do it by tomorrow.

One good thing to come out of a new edition announcement is always that you can complete stuff (like collections of books). That is the great thing about 1e and 2e, you'll never have to learn any new rules or worry about some new unbalanced splat book bringing ruin to your game.

I have to admit the transition from 2e to 3e pretty much passed me by, as I always intended to continue doing what I was doing, so I never felt any deflation when 3e was announced. I don't really feel much deflation now either.

[brian c]

I feel the same way, that was my third reaction (after "wow, 4th edition already?" and "I hope monks don't suck"). I still want to finish my setting though, I'll convert to 4e when the time comes. It's just disappointing to think that even if I finish, I'll have more work to do some other time.

[dyslexicfaser]

There's certainly a sense of ... I don't know ... futility in regards to homebrew, for me, thanks to news of 4e's imminent arrival.

But at the same time, it's given me energy: I suddenly feel like playing 3.5 as much as I can, while there's 'still time'.

A very strange juxtaposition-y feeling.

[tape_measure]

I'm with ay Krimm. I wasn't a big Homebrewer like afew others around here, but i did like to make things work as I needed to in games.

I'm a bit on the fence, really, though I lean more towards boycotting WotC and ripping everything I can get my hands on from the internet. One might argue that they are making new books to keep up income. One might even argue that commercialism blows on all levels. Even when it brings us new games.

I knwo I won't be making the change even months after this bastard child of a new edition comes out.

So keep on Homebrewing! Some of us still read the threads and pick out the gems.

[ranger89]

Homebrews must go on! My group is 100% homebrew and while I don't know if will move on to 4e, I do know that we'll continue to homebrew. It's not the rules that matter but the content, the ideas, and the spirit of the homebrew that are important. Just my two gold pieces.

[Decoy Lockbox]

I'm pretty sure there was more homebrew. I've played both 1st and 2nd edition AD&D, and let me tell ya, some things in it are impossible to play without some homebrew. Plus, monsters and NPCs were really easy to make, since you didn't have to justify anything. You could just say "this monster has 5 hit dice, thaco 14, AC 2, 2 attacks that do 1d6+2 and is worth 1200 XP. Its now ready for play" And just run it in a game and see how it goes.

[Mirage_of_Deceit]

I'm just not going to switch over to 4E I like D&D the way it is

for now

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[OzymandiasVolt]

Losing the will to homebrew for the edition your group uses because a new edition is coming out eventually? That doesn't seem very logical.

[Krimm_Blackleaf]

Losing the will to homebrew for the edition your group uses because a new edition is coming out eventually? That doesn't seem very logical.

No it doesn't, but that's the weird conflict of logic vs. emotion. The modron vs. the slaad on my shoulders. And I'm certain I have a C alignment.

[ForzaFiori]

hmm...
i wonder how long it will take for the 4E books to be on limewire?

cause thats when i'll switch XD

all but...3 of my splat books are on there, out of probably close to 100.

[SithLackey]

I say keep homebrewing. I don't homebrew myself (don't have the time), but I can say that I and most of the D&D gamers I know IRL will be staying with 3.x for a good long while. I won't take up too much space griping, but come on. Expensive rulebooks and now a SUBSCRIPTION-based service to get updates and features that make the game easier to use? I have better uses for my money that involve scissors and a big fan. So keep homebrewing. There are those of us who like to have fun and decent living conditions all at the same time.

[Scissors]

We don't know that the mechanics will be too greatly different yet.

Hey, anybody remember THAC0?

[SithLackey]

Hey, anybody remember THAC0?

True, but THAC0 was used by both first and second edition, if memory serves, so there is at least a possibility that the core mechanic will stay pretty much the same.

[brian c]

Hey, anybody remember THAC0?

Still, the "evolution, not revolution" phrase that popped up on one of those preview articles gives the impression that it won't be too different from 3e; it's still d20 based of course also.



This all reminds me very much of the release of the 1.10 patch for diablo II. At the time I played the game a lot and also did a fair bit of modding for it. It was long awaited, and when it finally came out everyone exploded and crashed all the internets, and all the modding (homebrewing) people worried about how they would do their thing with the new edition.

[horseboy]

True, but THAC0 was used by both first and second edition, if memory serves, so there is at least a possibility that the core mechanic will stay pretty much the same.

1 easier to hit has always been 1 easier to hit. It's just been expressed differently every edition.

There's more to a setting than just prc's and feats. Work on all the framework about who's politicking who.

Me personally? I don't play D&D enough to really care.

[Leon]

Hey, anybody remember THAC0?

Remember it, how could i not its the bane of every second saturday night

4th is'nt going to slow that game down, we are just starting to to warm people upto 3e concepts and idea's and merging them in to the existing world

[Tequila Sunrise]

Ever since today I simply don't have it in me. I hear 4e's arrival, and it fills me with cold and slows me down. I had all these ideas within me for PrC's, monsters, feats and so on but now it all looks grey and unpleasant, like they went bad in the fridge. I must feel just like 2e-er's when 3.0 came 'round, if there was as much homebrew back then as there is now. I don't want this to be another 'Garh, 4e is teh suck' thread. What I want to express is my disallusionment for the homebrew of 3.5.

Tell me if you feel the same, or opposite or neither of them.

Ummm....do you mean 'homebrew' or 'house rules'? Homebrews are pretty unaffected by edition, so I'll assume that you mean 'house rules'.

I do feel a bit of deflation at the moment, as I am an incorrigible tinkerer of rules. Just last week I submitted my first query to Dragon and now I'm thinking 'was there really a point?' If 4th edition really is all that better than 3rd, what use will all my rule tinkerings have been?

Maybe I'll just have to use the next near-year to work on my homebrew setting, as that will never become outdated.

[Behold_the_Void]

I'm kind of irritated as well, since my big homebrew project is going to take me quite some time to complete and 4th Edition will be out by then.

Unfortunately, what will likely happen is that I'll have to convert it. So at least having the rules out and having it playable is still imperative.

[brian c]

Ummm....do you mean 'homebrew' or 'house rules'? Homebrews are pretty unaffected by edition, so I'll assume that you mean 'house rules'.

I do feel a bit of deflation at the moment, as I am an incorrigible tinkerer of rules. Just last week I submitted my first query to Dragon and now I'm thinking 'was there really a point?' If 4th edition really is all that better than 3rd, what use will all my rule tinkerings have been?

Maybe I'll just have to use the next near-year to work on my homebrew setting, as that will never become outdated.

Um... most homebrew stuff is just new classes, monsters, races and settings that are compatible with D&D 3.5 (or whatever game). If I want to use my homebrewed stuff with 4th edition rules, I need to make adjustments in it. I don't know of many people who have homebrewed their own RPG system complete with it's own game mechanics.

[Nerd-o-rama]

Oh my god, 4th Edition is coming out! It's the end of the freaking world! The last five years of D&D and everything relating to 3rd Edition are rendered instantly pointless! WHY GOD WHY?! Get over yourself.

Sorry, this isn't really directed at you, Krimm. I just have to vent somewhere over how insanely freaked out everyone is over this. I mean, really.

[Krimm_Blackleaf]

Oh my god, 4th Edition is coming out! It's the end of the freaking world! The last five years of D&D and everything relating to 3rd Edition are rendered instantly pointless! WHY GOD WHY?! Get over yourself.

Sorry, this isn't really directed at you, Krimm. I just have to vent somewhere over how insanely freaked out everyone is over this. I mean, really.

If logic had taken control like I wanted it to I'd be thinking along these lines too. But the overpowering force of my own psyche has taken my mind one way and it's made me down. Don't mean to sound like a sissy, but I'm just feeling my feelings.

[horseboy]

Um... most homebrew stuff is just new classes, monsters, races and settings that are compatible with D&D 3.5 (or whatever game). If I want to use my homebrewed stuff with 4th edition rules, I need to make adjustments in it. I don't know of many people who have homebrewed their own RPG system complete with it's own game mechanics.

How does an edition change change the fact that King Borlaran is lord of Marshdale?

[Matthew]

"Search your feelings Krimm, you know it to be true."

[SkanMan]

I wish i was more knowledgable about this stuff...my experiences with D&D extend only as far as my buddies improvised Dm-ing lessons and dragonlance...

[Deepblue706]

I feel less interest in homebrewing stuff for 3.5 now. But, I'm not particularly bummed - see, if 4th edition actually turns out good, I won't have to homebrew so much. I'm pretty sure people homebrew when they can't make something with what's already there. This is probably why homebrew GURPS material isn't too common.

Hopefully the developers of 4e D&D have realized this is a good route to take, and don't have to make 13 books full of nothing but prestige classes to accomplish that. If they do throw a bunch of supplements at us, I hope they have some depth to them, for a change.

[dr.cello]

I bet it'll be similar to Star Wars: Saga Edition. It doesn't seem too likely that the two systems are going to diverge a great deal. So you'll probably see a lot of paired or similar skills (Listen/Spot/Search, Move Silently/Hide, Bluff/Diplomacy/Intimidate) get blended into one skill, etc. I don't have Saga so I don't really know quite how it works. It sounds like the system is just an even more streamlined version of the revised core, though. It'll probably be similar enough that homebrews won't require too much tweaking.

[Zincorium]

Well, I'm still merrily continuing on my homebrew way, but that's probably because system is absolutely the last thing I design, if I even really specify it much.

All the stuff I have for 3.x will probably just need a recreation of the mechanics in 4.0, just like my 2nd edition maps, critters, NPCs and whatever saved me a lot of time when 3.0 came rolling around.

Honestly, given what I've heard about 4e, it may be easier to use a lot of my ideas.

[ShneekeyTheLost]

I can comprehend the feeling...

"Why should I put the time into making my homebrew creations when editions are comming out faster than my homebrewed stuff...