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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Weirdo View Post
    You're saying I made no death threats to people here? Awww, that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me!

    1- No, but then the fault is transferred to those that are denying your rights, at least for murders (or other acts) meant to stop said oppression.
    2- Not anyone, but deserve has precious little to do with it in this case.
    3- We cannot know for sure. While she did leave, that might have been after other more desirable options (that left her in a better position) were exhausted.
    4- He's collateral damage. His death should be taken up with the clans, who should either raise him at their own cost plus make reparations, or, were that not possible, make MORE reparations or be punished as a group.
    5- It's less about greater good than about rights. If someone has a right so something, they are entitled to that right and that's final, as is the case with Hilgya's freedom. It's much less about greater good than about mitigating circumstances and transfer of responsibility.

    And for you to think your post comes even close to qualifying as a personal attack... Don't tell me: are you an Exalted (BoED) character? :P
    So if i am understanding this properly than these are your claims

    1) It is okay to disregard on the rights of other people if they are disregarding yours as it is then their fault for your action’s.
    2) Not everyone who stands in the way of someone’s rights deserve to die but regardless they should be killed if it results in the regaining of those rights
    3) We cannot prove for sure that Hilgya tried no other methods before attempting to kill Ivan
    4) Ivan did not quite deserve to be killed but doing so would result in the desired change so it was acceptable. His death is the clan’s fault anyway, not Hilgya’s
    5) Greater good has little significance in the matter. If someone has the intention of restoring their rights than their actions are automatically morally right.

    Please correct me if I misinterpreted anything.

    So then, let me ask a follow up question. If we had definitive proof that Hilgya did not try other methods before attempting to kill Ivan, than would she still be “non-evil” as you put it.
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    I will not explain the joke.
    meh :(

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    o/ Stupid person with stupid question: Is it possible that the baby is her new holy symbol?
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    o/ Stupid person with stupid question: Is it possible that the baby is her new holy symbol?
    That... Has been brought up.
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    So if i am understanding this properly than these are your claims

    1) It is okay to disregard on the rights of other people if they are disregarding yours as it is then their fault for your action’s.
    2) Not everyone who stands in the way of someone’s rights deserve to die but regardless they should be killed if it results in the regaining of those rights
    3) We cannot prove for sure that Hilgya tried no other methods before attempting to kill Ivan
    4) Ivan did not quite deserve to be killed but doing so would result in the desired change so it was acceptable. His death is the clan’s fault anyway, not Hilgya’s
    5) Greater good has little significance in the matter. If someone has the intention of restoring their rights than their actions are automatically morally right.

    Please correct me if I misinterpreted anything.

    So then, let me ask a follow up question. If we had definitive proof that Hilgya did not try other methods before attempting to kill Ivan, than would she still be “non-evil” as you put it.
    Correct, correct, correct, correct, correct.

    And... No, the actions would be Evil provided the results were the same (or, in short, provided there was not another right to be regained by killing Ivan, as in, she'd kill him and self-exile anyways, for instance) and provided her actions couldn't be explained by emotional duress (which I'm NOT, for the record, arguing they could).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kish View Post
    Suspicious of what that they don't already know well, exactly?

    I have a horrifying vestige of a suspicion. Haley...do you think Belkar might be evil?
    I don't know. I am as puzzled about it as you are but he lied about it in 1104 so clearly he is trying to hide something.

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    Well, if the paladins didn't want Redcloak to, down the line, destroy Azure City, why did they destroy his village?
    What. I can't... You mean that if someone wronged you in the past you are allowed to attack anyone they are affiliated with. That's appalling. That's a return to pre-judaic customs every society near the Mediterranean Sea and their descendants has been moving away from for millenia.

    You are saying that people are not to be held responsile for their crimes but the people who wronged them in the past are ? But then wouldn't the people who wronged them be responsible for their acts ? And the people who wrong those one in turn ? Where does it end ? By that logic no one is ever reponsible for anything! By that logic every single nation on Earth could decide to nuke every other one because they were "oppressed" by them in the past!

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Weirdo View Post
    I'm stating that it doesn't matter whether or not she had a choice.
    HOW COULD IT POSSIBLY NOT MATTER! We are talking about morality! Morality is nothing but choices.

    You are either a troll or someone who actually preaches for violence and murder everywhere. Either way I strongly recommend you spend some time looking in the mirror thinking about what you are doing with your life.
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    HOW COULD IT POSSIBLY NOT MATTER! We are talking about morality! Morality is nothing but choices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    What. I can't... You mean that if someone wronged you in the past you are allowed to attack anyone they are affiliated with. That's appalling. That's a return to pre-judaic customs every society near the Mediterranean Sea and their descendants has been moving away from for millenia.

    You are saying that people are not to be held responsile for their crimes but the people who wronged them in the past are ? But then wouldn't the people who wronged them be responsible for their acts ? And the people who wrong those one in turn ? Where does it end ? By that logic no one is ever reponsible for anything! By that logic every single nation on Earth could decide to nuke every other one because they were "oppressed" by them in the past!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    I don't know. I am as puzzled about it as you are but he lied about it in 1104 so clearly he is trying to hide something.
    My initial reaction was that he wanted to hide it in front of Minra
    My second was, that ... well ... he might be ashamed ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    What. I can't... You mean that if someone wronged you in the past you are allowed to attack anyone they are affiliated with. That's appalling. That's a return to pre-judaic customs every society near the Mediterranean Sea and their descendants has been moving away from for millenia.

    You are saying that people are not to be held responsile for their crimes but the people who wronged them in the past are ? But then wouldn't the people who wronged them be responsible for their acts ? And the people who wrong those one in turn ? Where does it end ? By that logic no one is ever reponsible for anything! By that logic every single nation on Earth could decide to nuke every other one because they were "oppressed" by them in the past!
    Will you allow me to nuke those who might possibly wrong me in the distant future, too ?
    The approach is nihilistic, the stance is one of complete amorality.
    Cavemen with clubs might form a society around that notion (and not progress in their cultural developement)
    more complex social structures cant form.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    HOW COULD IT POSSIBLY NOT MATTER! We are talking about morality! Morality is nothing but choices.

    You are either a troll or someone who actually preaches for violence and murder everywhere. Either way I strongly recommend you spend some time looking in the mirror thinking about what you are doing with your life.
    you mean apart from wasting our time? :)

    Everyone has a choice in his life.
    Hylgias was to turn around and go; Durkons was to remain dutiful and do has his high priest suggested and mine is to keep posting :P

    apart from that it is the amorality of the argument which frightens me. with the_weirdo's argumentation I would be free to murder anyone I like as long as my excuse is good enough

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    On the bright side it wouldnt take long for that society to dwindle into the obscurity of time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    What. I can't... You mean that if someone wronged you in the past you are allowed to attack anyone they are affiliated with. That's appalling. That's a return to pre-judaic customs every society near the Mediterranean Sea and their descendants has been moving away from for millenia.
    What I'm saying is there would be no Redcloak had the Azure City paladins not committed the atrocities they committed.

    Azure City created its own villain and we certainly cannot in good faith expect Redcloak to simply lie down and take what was done to him back then; only a saint would. Neither could the Paladins, especially when they live in a world where narrative causality applies, one where, for all genocides, there will always be one who gets away and brings the chickens home to roost years later.

    Well, Azure City met Redcloak, the one who got away.
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    Can I sig this?
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    Yes, you can. I'm so proud.

    Also I got carried away and forgot one thing :

    What about the good we do ? Do you think we deserve praise for it or are those who did good by us in the past to have all of it ?

    Is Roy a good man for being willing to face death for the liberty of other or is his mother the only one to thank fo that ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Weirdo View Post
    What I'm saying is there would be no Redcloak had the Azure City paladins not committed the atrocities they committed.

    Azure City created its own villain and we certainly cannot in good faith expect Redcloak to simply lie down and take what was done to him. Neither could the Paladins, especially when they live in a world where narrative causality applies, one where, for all genocides, there will always be one who gets away and brings the chickens home to roost years later.

    Well, Azure City met Redcloak, the one who got away.
    Thats true. 100%. It's Ironic. Isnt it?

    The dark one probably wronged the Paladins at some point, so the Goblins blood is clearly on his hands.


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    Quote Originally Posted by schmunzel View Post
    Thats true. 100%. It's Ironic. Isnt it?

    The dark one probably wronged the Paladins at some point, so the Goblins blood is clearly on his hands.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Weirdo View Post
    What I'm saying is there would be no Redcloak had the Azure City paladins not committed the atrocities they committed.

    Azure City created its own villain and we certainly cannot in good faith expect Redcloak to simply lie down and take what was done to him back then; only a saint would. Neither could the Paladins, especially when they live in a world where narrative causality applies, one where, for all genocides, there will always be one who gets away and brings the chickens home to roost years later.

    Well, Azure City met Redcloak, the one who got away.
    By your logic, the paladins aren't responsible for the butchering, because they only did it to kill the bearer of the crimson mantle who threatened their right to exist. So the paladins are absolutely not responsible for anything they did. It's all the gods' fault and no one else is responsible for anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Is Roy a good man for being willing to face death for the liberty of other or is his mother the only one to thank fo that ?
    It's obviously Eugene. Duh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverCacaobean View Post
    By your logic, the paladins aren't responsible for the butchering, because they only did it to kill the bearer of the crimson mantle who threatened their right to exist. So the paladins are absolutely not responsible for anything they did. It's all the gods' fault and no one else is responsible for anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverCacaobean View Post
    By your logic, the paladins aren't responsible for the butchering, because they only did it to kill the bearer of the crimson mantle who threatened their right to exist. So the paladins are absolutely not responsible for anything they did. It's all the gods' fault and no one else is responsible for anything.

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    Well, I do think there is a (winning) argument to be made in favor of both sides taking it up with the gods once this whole deal is over, most of all the goblins, who suffered way more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post

    What about the good we do ? Do you think we deserve praise for it or are those who did good by us in the past to have all of it ?

    Is Roy a good man for being willing to face death for the liberty of other or is his mother the only one to thank fo that ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverCacaobean View Post
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    It's obviously Eugene. Duh.
    it's obviously Xykon, because without him that stupid blood oath wouldnt exist in the first place.
    He just wants to do good. Cant you see it? It's Roy who forces him to do all these bad things.
    Hadnt Roy formed the party and Elan destroyed the castle Azure City wouldnt have been attacked.
    In the end it's probably mostly Durkons fault because he held the party together, healed them and thus enabled them to enable Xykons atrocities.

    Miko was right all along...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Weirdo View Post
    Well, I do think there is a (winning) argument to be made in favor of both sides taking it up with the gods once this whole deal is over, most of all the goblins, who suffered way more.
    Yeah, but all this "murdering each other" for the sake of convenience, instead of "only attacking the actual oppressors", is getting in the way of that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Weirdo View Post
    Oh, I'm not claiming it requires, I'm claiming it permits.

    Common mistake.
    Uh ...

    If you have two choices, one of which includes murdering an innocent, and the other which doesn't, you must choose the one that doesn't involve murder. So if her situation does not require killing the innocent, it requires NOT killing the innocent. There's no "permits" about it.

    It's a pretty depraved view of the world to argue that if you feel badly enough about your situation you can start killing people, even if killing isn't necessary to alter your situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lvl 2 Expert View Post
    She's evil, she supposedly has a better knowledge (religion) score then Durkon, and she just walked in on a room full of vampires. I'm saying she's up to date on events.
    Most consensus is she is Chaotic Neutral (and likely so is Loki), but there are good odds on your other two points being accurate.

    Quote Originally Posted by a1chemi View Post
    Given that Durkon announced himself as a vampire High Priestof Hell in a room full of clerics, including Loki's High Priest, and Sending is a cleric spell, I'd say she knows.
    We also know she receives direct orders from Loki, so Loki may have told her himself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ichneumon View Post
    That's odd. I would have thought clerics would surely use protection.
    Neither Helgya nor Durkon had 'Protection from Impregnation' prepared, plus it is possible Helgya actually had 'Greater Improved Fertility' cast, since she had feelings for Durkon.


    Quote Originally Posted by Draconi Redfir View Post
    dangit! i was going to do that!

    suppose i should add: are we sure thats Durkon's kid? it seems to be pretty dark-skinned, and i don't remember Durkon being that dark.
    Wait, so you think the baby is Leeky Windstaff's? Both Reverse Durkon's got it on? So the baby is a Gnorf?

    What are common Gnorf names?

    I remember in 2nd/Advanced D&D, Gnome names were at least 20+ Syllables long, anything less than 30 was short (the equivalent Bob or Al)... so, how about Helgyafirehelmanddurkonthundershieldorleekywindsta ffshappylittleaccidentorperhapsintentionallittleme mentooftheirmanyescapades Firehelm(that should be long enough)
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Weirdo View Post
    Did someone point a crossbow (or, more realistically, a gun) at you to get you to sign the contract?
    Even if someone did, that doesn't mean the person forced into the contract gets to murder their coworkers. Their beef is with the guy with the weapon, not the *******s they've been forced to work with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Weirdo View Post
    What I'm saying is there would be no Redcloak had the Azure City paladins not committed the atrocities they committed.

    Azure City created its own villain and we certainly cannot in good faith expect Redcloak to simply lie down and take what was done to him back then; only a saint would. Neither could the Paladins, especially when they live in a world where narrative causality applies, one where, for all genocides, there will always be one who gets away and brings the chickens home to roost years later.

    Well, Azure City met Redcloak, the one who got away.
    I did not read SoD, but I have heard about a brother in a village at peace and about him being in a circus audience with humans. You know what those sounds like to me ? A chance. A chance to do what was just and good and let go of the pain. This is not what a saint would have done, this what a good man would have done.

    Wanna know what a saint would have done ? A saint would have walked right to gates of Azure City in full regalia and say :


    People of Azure City, I, the bearer of the Crimson Mantle, high priest of the Dark One, come to you unarmed and alone to demand justice for my people. Not for my family that you have slaughtered, not for my mentor that you have murdered, not for the untold numbers that you and your ancestors have butchered but for those who still live and will one day live. Neither I nor any goblin that follow me seek to do you harm for all we want is to live free of fear and of the yoke of another under the sun that warms us all. For generations our peoples have killed each other and though today you stand mighty and glorious while we hide in caverns cold there could come a day where our roles would be reversed. But should that day come or should it not, whoever holds the whip, there is only one truth : as long as there is a hand to hold that whip both of our people will gain nothing but pain from it. Why not dream of another, better day to come ? One where goblin and man regard the other not as a sworn foe but as a brother of different blood ? Why not build that day ? I am not blind, I know that many amongst your kin and more amongst mine call me a naive fool and belive that peace can never be achieved. I know that the path that I would have our people tread is a hard one, but you must know as do I that doing what is right regardless of the obstacles, of the risks, of the difficulty is the very essence of Good. People of Azure City, I hold my hand out to you, you have to choose now : kill me, burn my corpse and scatter my ashes and the cycle of suffering shall endure or reach out and take my hand so that we can walk the path of peace as equals, nay as brothers. People of Azure City, what say you ?

    But that is not what Redcloak did, that is not what Redcloak would ever do beacause Redcloak is not a saint.

    In the real world ? Saints exist, people better that I ever hope to be have taken the hand that struck them in peace and friendship. Were they perfect ? No, no one is. But they had that rarest courage of all, to forgive.

    Please dwell on that.
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    That... Has been brought up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shennynerd View Post
    Cool. Super helpful. Anyone care to pause their argument about the morals of fictional characters long enough to give me a quick tl;dr?
    My understanding--which might be flawed--is that while it is technically possible (in the sense that I don't think the rules explicitly forbid a sentient being, such as a baby, from being used as a holy symbol), it is HIGHLY unlikely for both practical and narrative reasons.

    A quick Google search of 3.5e rules on Holy Symbols gave me this:

    Quote Originally Posted by 3.5e Definition of a Holy Symbol (according to my Google search)
    Holy Symbol, Silver or Wooden

    A holy symbol focuses positive energy. A cleric or paladin uses it as the focus for his spells and as a tool for turning undead. Each religion has its own holy symbol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shennynerd View Post
    Cool. Super helpful. Anyone care to pause their argument about the morals of fictional characters long enough to give me a quick tl;dr?
    Not entirely impossible* but rather unlikely.
    So, until the comic says otherwise it's safe to assume the answer's nope.

    *In the same sense as it isn't entirely impossible you're hit by a meteor the moment you finish reading this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    I did not read SoD, but I have heard about a brother in a village at peace and about him being in a circus audience with humans. You know what those sounds like to me ? A chance. A chance to do what was just and good and let go of the pain. This is not what a saint would have done, this what a good man would have done.

    Wanna know what a saint would have done ? A saint would have walked right to gates of Azure City in full regalia and say :


    People of Azure City, I, the bearer of the Crimson Mantle, high priest of the Dark One, come to you unarmed and alone to demad justice for my people. Not for my family that you have slaughtered, not for my mentor that you have murdered, not for the untold numbers that you and your ancestors have butchered but for those who still live and will one day live. Neither I nor any goblin that follow me seek do you harm for all we want is to live free of fear and of the yoke of another under the sun that warms us all. For generations our peoples have killed each other and though todday you stand mighty and glorious while we hide in caven there could come a day where our roles would be reversed. But should that day come or should it not, whoever holds the whip there is onluy one truth : as long as there is a hand to hold that whip both of our people will gain nothing but pain from it. Why not dream of another, better day to come ? One where goblin and man regard the other not as a sworn foe but as a brother of diferent blood ? Why not build that day ? I am not blind, I know that many among your kin and more among mine call me a naive fool and belive that peace can never be achieved. I know that the path that I would have our people thread is a hard one, but you must know as do I that doing what is right regardless of the obstacles, of the risks, of the difficulty is the very essence of Good. People of Azure City, I hold my hand out to you, you have to choose now : kill me, burn my corpse and scatter my ashes and the cycle of suffering shall endure or reach out and take my hand so that we can walk the path of peace as equals, nay as brothers. People of Azure City, what say you ?

    But that is not what Redcloak did, that is not what Redcloak would ever do beacause Redcloak is not a saint.

    In the real world ? Saints exist, people better that I ever hope to be have taken the hand that struck them in peace and friendship. Were they perfect ? No, no one is. But that rarest courage of all, to forgive.

    Please dwell on that.
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    Have to admit: Did not see that coming. I'm referring to the baby of course.

    I just hope this has more dignity than Z.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    HOW COULD IT POSSIBLY NOT MATTER! We are talking about morality! Morality is nothing but choices.
    Indeed. Hilgya chose to do evil (poison Ivan) before running away. We have no indication she tried to find any other solution to her problem...

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Weirdo View Post
    Then would the path of least effort, even for an Evil character, not be simply leaving? Because Hilgya isn't stupid.

    But, for the sake of the argument, you can assume I conceded that one point.
    ...and "This Evil character obviously wouldn't have taken an Evil route if a more expedient one existed" is an assumption that I don't see any basis for.

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Weirdo View Post
    Fair enough. In that scenario, I fold.

    I do apologize for any (even hypothetical) hurt feelings here.
    I don't think anyone's feelings are hurt. They just don't believe murder of innocents is justified when non-murderous methods can solve the problem.

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    Gonna sig this as well.
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    Beautiful. Now where's that smilie of someone shedding a tear?
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