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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascension View Post
    Is asking Lupo for a judgment all you want to do with your turn? Since it wasn't a rolled social action and since the real-time length of turns is flexible in this edition, I think I'd be willing to count it as "reflexive" and let you do something else, but I can also see, dramatically speaking, how it might be better to class that as Tuoni's turn and go over to Ivory Knife.
    I'd be more than happy to hit her with a withering attack, but I agree that dramatically it makes more sense to count that as Tuoni's turn.

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    Eurus, then. Ball is indeed in your court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inspector Valin View Post
    I'm gonna punt whoever wrote it didn't read the socialise charms first. They boost Guile a lot, even a one charm dip gets you Shadow over Day, and there are few direct boosts like that for other static values
    Even bypassing the social charms it's crazy-good; with a specialty and a stunt it's functionally a seven-mote excellency for four motes. That's before you add in intimacies (which are kinda the entire point of Black Claw) or any charm boosts to Guile. And then you remember that it doesn't count towards your dice cap...

    (Just to be clear, I'm not at all upset at Eurus for using it; I'd be dancing a jig with it were I in Ivory Knife's position.)

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    There are also far fewer penalty reducers / negators for attacks than for defense. Archery has There Is No Wind, which would technically apply to Doe Eyes, and... there's really not much else out there.
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    So, topic change, and apologies in advance. One of the things I'm considering for Wic, in terms of long term advancement, is him acquiring a magical girl style transformation sequence.

    Yes, really. I'm gonna keep this light on specifics for now, until Wic's had his turn fighting and we all know each other a little better IC, but any general reaction from you guys? One of the things tempting me is that I kinda like the theory of charms that cost anima in 3e, but find most of the canon examples uncompelling. Anima spend to trigger a transformation sequence makes sense to me. And I have ideas for ways in which it might work that fit Wic's thematics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inspector Valin View Post
    So, topic change, and apologies in advance. One of the things I'm considering for Wic, in terms of long term advancement, is him acquiring a magical girl style transformation sequence.

    Yes, really. I'm gonna keep this light on specifics for now, until Wic's had his turn fighting and we all know each other a little better IC, but any general reaction from you guys? One of the things tempting me is that I kinda like the theory of charms that cost anima in 3e, but find most of the canon examples uncompelling. Anima spend to trigger a transformation sequence makes sense to me. And I have ideas for ways in which it might work that fit Wic's thematics.
    I almost feel like transforming as your anima raises makes more sense than spending it, since the big flashy magical aura is a power-up sequence of a sort already. Maybe make it a reflexive charm that you can activate as your anima hits iconic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurus View Post
    I almost feel like transforming as your anima raises makes more sense than spending it, since the big flashy magical aura is a power-up sequence of a sort already. Maybe make it a reflexive charm that you can activate as your anima hits iconic?
    My thinking is that the 'charm' part is the capstone of the flashiness. You build your anima to power up, as an extended multi round thing, then use the charm to escalate the SFX further, to make it a sorta climax point? This is just rough thinking, but IIRC most transformations like that don't leave an anima style lasting effect, so the spend seemed like a good idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inspector Valin View Post
    So, topic change, and apologies in advance. One of the things I'm considering for Wic, in terms of long term advancement, is him acquiring a magical girl style transformation sequence.

    Yes, really. I'm gonna keep this light on specifics for now, until Wic's had his turn fighting and we all know each other a little better IC, but any general reaction from you guys? One of the things tempting me is that I kinda like the theory of charms that cost anima in 3e, but find most of the canon examples uncompelling. Anima spend to trigger a transformation sequence makes sense to me. And I have ideas for ways in which it might work that fit Wic's thematics.

    I am totally unconcerned by the implications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inspector Valin View Post
    My thinking is that the 'charm' part is the capstone of the flashiness. You build your anima to power up, as an extended multi round thing, then use the charm to escalate the SFX further, to make it a sorta climax point? This is just rough thinking, but IIRC most transformations like that don't leave an anima style lasting effect, so the spend seemed like a good idea
    I guess it depends on whether you feel like combining Sailor Moon with Dragonball Z or not, heh.

    In that case, it seems like the question would be... in addition to the cosmetic factor, what kind of effect is worth spending an action and your anima levels on? And, for that matter, how deep in what charm tree would you want to put it?
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    No sense in not throwing Doe Eyes Defense against Tuoni's attack, so I will! -4m, -1i, -9 dice.
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    If I'm not mistaken, Ivory Knife's successful decisive attack brings her initiative down to three, at which point Tuoni's successful withering attack gives him initiative shift. But I'd like Ascension to check my math before I keep going.

    Edit: Eurus, do you have the motes for that?

    Go forth and conquer with Wic, but don't expect Tuoni to be joining you on that point. He places a lot of value in not transforming into something or someone else.

    (I should probably mention I've never actually watched an anime with a transformation sequence outside of Bad Anime Nights, and I don't think you want me comparing Wic to those.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by pfm1995 View Post
    If I'm not mistaken, Ivory Knife's successful decisive attack brings her initiative down to three, at which point Tuoni's successful withering attack gives him initiative shift. But I'd like Ascension to check my math before I keep going.

    Edit: Eurus, do you have the motes for that?

    Go forth and conquer with Wic, but don't expect Tuoni to be joining you on that point. He places a lot of value in not transforming into something or someone else.

    (I should probably mention I've never actually watched an anime with a transformation sequence outside of Bad Anime Nights, and I don't think you want me comparing Wic to those.)
    I'm pretty sure I do (in no small part because HPM has been giving me a lot of 1-cost reductions on social excellencies), but let me go over stuff to make sure I'm not missing something...







    Initiative shift round: Tuoni spends 5m attacking, Ivory spends nothing defending but lucks out anyway. Ivory spends 1m on a social excellency, then when her action resets, she spends 10m on an attack excellency. I believe she exhausted everything she had left and dropped down to 0m here, if I'm remembering right.

    The round after that, we each gain 5m. Ivory spends 1 mote instilling suspicion, Tuoni spends nothing to resist but spent 5m on an attack excellency. Ivory has 4m.

    The round after that, we each gain 5m. Ivory spends 3 motes escalating Tuoni's suspicion. Tuoni spends 2 on resolve again, spends his own turn aiming. Ivory has 6m.

    The round after that (last round), we each gain 5m. Ivory Knife spends 6 motes making and boosting a Persuade attempt. Tuoni spends 8 resisting it, and spent his turn talking to Lupo. Ivory has 5m.

    Start of this round, we each gain 5m. Ivory Knife spends 5 attacking. She has 5 left to defend.

    EDIT: And does that mean this is the round that Tuoni recovers from initiative break?
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    Hm, then I have an error in my accounting (and it's almost certainly my accounting; I haven't slept in 30 hours); by my count you're actually in the negative. Let me see if I can figure out where I missed a turn increase or similar.

    Also, I think I come out of initiative crash on my turn this coming round.

    Edit: Yup, I was wrong. I'm not sure there's much of a point in sticking to the round-by-round structure of the fight at this point then; Tuoni is at a -12 to every attack making his withering dice pool 4 + however many motes he can afford. His decisive pool is even worse.
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    Ah, alright. I have no idea how much health Tuoni has, so I don't know how many hits from Ivory Knife it would take to deal with him, but the poison will probably do a pretty nasty job. It looks like it's going to stick around for 6 turns, so that's 12i damage, and once he hits zero it becomes lethal damage instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sticks View Post
    I am totally unconcerned by the implications.
    Wrong Dragon Ball character.

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    Okay...

    Tuoni no longer has Full Defense active, so his attack isn't a Crane counterattack, but his action on his turn, yes?

    And you're both stunting your attacks, but neither of you is really stunting your defenses.

    So that should make our resolution...

    Okay, first off, Eurus, I called you out earlier over not adding Accuracy to Withering attacks, but now you have added it to a Decisive attack. Accuracy only applies to Withering. (Very few weapon traits apply to Decisive attacks.)

    On the other hand, you left off your Black Claw Specialty, so the appropriate number of dice for the attack ends up being 13, rather than 16.

    You got 6 successes on those 13 dice, vs Tuoni's parry of (5 base + 1 Crane Form - 1 Wound Penalty) 5, so that attack does still hit.

    Four bashing damage is dealt (for a total of 9 bashing so far, but Tuoni has Ox-Bodies so he's not down), and Tuoni will be poisoned for six rounds (after unfortunately only rolling 1 success on his Stamina + Resistance).

    With Doe Eyes knocking 9 dice off Tuoni's attack and the poison knocking off another 2, he only scored 4 successes against Ivory Knife's unstunted Evasion of... I'll say 6, not counting her Specialty but counting the +1 from Black Claw Form, so that fails.

    Since Tuoni remains in Crash, the 2i damage from Flexing the Emerald Claw converts to 2L, but that damage is rolled (by the ST at the end of the round, so I'll do that).

    (2d10)[2][1](3)

    Ivory Knife is at Initiative 3, Tuoni is still at -2, and things really do look very bad for the man in the mask.

    EDIT: Although the poison fails to do any more damage, so he's still just at 9 Bashing.

    EDIT 2: Whoops! Nine Bashing. You don't double 10s on Decisive damage rolls unless a Charm says so, so only 4 was dealt by this last attack.

    EDIT 3: I forgot to check if this is the round where Tuoni comes out of Crash, hold on.
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    Okay. Uncharacteristic number of mistakes there in that last post, apologies.

    That was Tuoni's third round spent in Crash, so he resets to 3 at the beginning of his next action. That makes the first round of poison rolls lethal (the ones that came up with no successes), but the next round will be Initiative damage.

    Eurus, meanwhile, is at 5, because Charms value Minor Intimacies at "two points," so the Mastery refund for a successful Doe Eyes Defense takes her up from her base 3 to 5.

    So end of round, regain 5m, Ivory Knife is up at Initiative count 5, Tuoni is technically still in the negatives but will reset to 3 at the start of his turn, Tuoni has taken 9 bashing damage (overall! only four from the last attack) and is poisoned for another 5 rounds.

    I could have Lupo or one of the gods call it, because it does seem functionally over.
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    You would think something as simple as accuracy wouldn't give me so much trouble...

    Anyway. PFM's choice whether we should slug this out or resolve it narratively or have Lupo call it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascension View Post
    I could have Lupo or one of the gods call it, because it does seem functionally over.
    In-character, yes, but as the ST, you’d have to wait until he takes another Withering Attack...unless you just want to invoke the Orichilam rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurus View Post
    You would think something as simple as accuracy wouldn't give me so much trouble...
    Hey, technically Nightingale kiais' Accuracy varies with range, since they count as Thrown attacks, so that's a whole 'nother level of potential confusion!

    Quote Originally Posted by Eurus View Post
    Anyway. PFM's choice whether we should slug this out or resolve it narratively or have Lupo call it.
    Yeah, we could do this one of four ways.

    1.) Full mechanical resolution. Tuoni's pretty nearly death-spiraling... the poison's damage isn't necessarily that big a threat, but the penalty from the poison, on top of the penalties from Doe Eyes, the wound penalty, and his low mote pools, makes it improbable (though not impossible) that he'll be able to land another hit. With Ivory Knife's build being primarily defensive, however, this could take a while to actually resolve.

    2.) Narrative resolution. Tuoni narratively fights it out to the last, but rather than rolling it all out we just let pfm1995 and Eurus make a post or two more of his increasingly desperate efforts to land a hit on Ivory Knife before she wears him down.

    3.) A concession. Tuoni could concede in-character. That might have repercussions in the form of Limit, though, since he's cited multiple Intimacies as motivation to not concede and to stay in the fight, so that could count as acting against those intimacies.

    4.) The tournament organizers call it. I could technically do that unilaterally but I'd prefer not to. This is basically the "OOC concession" option, if you tell me you want to concede but don't want to do it IC.
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    While I'd love to let this play out to the end...I also want to get on to other events, but I am not a current combatant...so up to ya'll.

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    pfm1995 hasn't been online since 11:30 (EST), before I posted my summary of just what the heck happened, so we can't very well move on until he logs back in and has a chance to assess the situation.

    In particular, I thiiink he thought more damage had been done to Tuoni than actually has been. I don't know that it'll change his assessment of his odds, but it is something of a mitigating factor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascension View Post
    In particular, I thiiink he thought more damage had been done to Tuoni than actually has been. I don't know that it'll change his assessment of his odds, but it is something of a mitigating factor.
    Sorry at the wait; I may or may not have gotten home from a morning exam and just collapsed into bed.

    I agree that it doesn't make sense for Tuoni to concede in character, given the sheer amount of willpower he's spent on this fight. That said, for him to have more than a 50/50 shot at hitting Ivory Knife he'd need to both Aim and spend at least 8m on his excellency, and that's before Ivory uses anything but Doe-Eyes.

    How about this: Eurus, why don't you make a single post with two rounds of actions and I'll make a post stunting my defense. If they're enough to drop Tuoni then we'll call it there, if they're not then he'll make a last hail-mary and we'll see if he hits.

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    Alrighty, there you go. Should have another two rounds of poison damage in there too, somewhere, either to initiative or health, but Ascension seems to want to roll that himself.

    How many ox-bodies do you have, anyway?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurus View Post
    Alrighty, there you go. Should have another two rounds of poison damage in there too, somewhere, either to initiative or health, but Ascension seems to want to roll that himself.
    Eh, I wouldn't really mind you rolling it, it's just that you hadn't rolled the first round of damage, and I noticed that the book says "At each interval of the poison’s duration, the Storyteller rolls its damage" in the Poison rules anyway, so I went ahead and rolled it.

    I won't actually know if this is Initiative damage or Lethal being dealt by the Poison until that Withering attack resolves (although I was just reminded that there's a dev ruling that the penalty from poison applies to static values [i.e. Defense] like wound penalties do, so... gonna need to be a hell of a stunt).

    (2d10)[6][4](10)

    (2d10)[10][1](11)

    However this resolves, I do want to echo Sticks' most recent sentiments (not the impatience ): Thank you guys. You've given this game a great opening match, and really moved this game forward at a healthier pace than I'd dare hope for. With fingers crossed, I'm really thinking this game could go the distance. It is an honor to ST for y'all.
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    I think it would be initiative damage regardless of whether or not the withering attack hit, since he'd be back at 3 initiative regardless at the end of the round.

    Either way, post incoming once I've written it.

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    That fight felt pretty anime to me. I could see that being an episode or two of the obligatory tournament arc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pfm1995 View Post
    I think it would be initiative damage regardless of whether or not the withering attack hit, since he'd be back at 3 initiative regardless at the end of the round.
    Ah, very good catch. I keep forgetting the reset. That's something I need to be mindful of.

    In any event... I'm not going to crunch all the numbers. You wrote a good finale there, eyeballing the numbers I think it's accurate, and I'm just going to stick with it. Tuoni is knocked out. I'm also going to give him another 1 WP.

    I'll post some reactions to the end of the fight, and Confrog is going to introduce his character now, and then we'll be ready to move on.

    This feels like about the end of a session to me, so I'm going to award some XP. I'm adjusting awards a bit to give the featured fighters the lion's share of the experience, since they were the highlight here, but everyone save Confrog's character is getting something:

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