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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurus View Post
    I'm not wasting time, I swear. As long as this is an acceptable circumstance to instill and I'm not mangling the social rules (or miscounting Tuoni's willpower) this should work...
    It seems doable to me, and if he can't resist it with Resolve (which, to be fair, Willpower can be used to boost, as with any static value), then he can't resist it at all, given the limitations I already mentioned on spending Willpower to resist social influence.
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    Wow that was a lot of tens. If I had the time I'd go out and buy a goat to propitiate the dice gods with, since apparently I pissed them off at some point.

    What kind of action is social-fu? Miscellaneous?

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    What kind of action? Miscellaneous I think, yeah, although I'm assuming you can't flurry two social rolls under the principle of "can't flurry two actions of the same type".
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    I realized I mentioned this to every game but this one, whups: My own exams start this week, so I'm going to be spending most of my time alternately studying or fantasizing about dropping out and becoming a Batman villain. My posting rate will slow down a bit, I apologize in advance for the delay.

    Also, since I'm not going to have a lot of time to look things up, if you see that I'm messing up mechanics please do scream it from the top of your local building. Then tell me about it, because odds are good I didn't hear you.

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    Good luck with exams!

    So, last question. Is a major intimacy of suspicion toward Lupo and his tournament enough grounds to try and Persuade Tuoni to concede the round? I'm not sure what level of task that would count as.
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    Good luck with exams and/or becoming a Batman villain!

    Quote Originally Posted by pfm1995 View Post
    ...using the minor intimacy of 'Hope' - which apparently counts as major if used defensively, thanks to Wic's chicanery - to resist.
    Not quite. It isn't a Minor Intimacy (which would've been created by the Instill action), it's an emotion, created by the Inspire action. Emotions (or "inflamed passions," as the book prefers) can be fleeting (they don't necessarily create or modify any Intimacies, meaning they might not stick beyond the scene in which they're inspired), and they also aren't easy to control (the person who Inspires them technically only chooses the emotion, not how the target interprets it, and has to Read Intentions if they want to know how their influence was received), but they count as Major Intimacies while the target is acting on them.

    So if you're still riding the wave of hope from when Wic cheered Tuoni on, that functions as a Major Intimacy, but isn't really, and won't endure beyond this scene unless you want it to.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eurus View Post
    So, last question. Is a major intimacy of suspicion toward Lupo and his tournament enough grounds to try and Persuade Tuoni to concede the round? I'm not sure what level of task that would count as.
    It sort of depends on how much the tournament means to Tuoni, but I feel like it's a reasonable thing to try to Persuade someone of. Tuoni gets to act again first, however (since I would agree, flurrying two instances of social influence together is a no-go), and he still might be able to beat it out in a Decision Point (though as a reminder, the most applicable intimacy for resisting the influence goes into the initial Resolve boost, and you need to use a different one if the influence succeeds and you still want to resist it).
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    Oh, hold on, it's the top of a new round, isn't it? Ivory Knife delayed to act after Tuoni last time. So unless I'm miscounting, it is her turn again.
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    Was Ivory Knife's latest diologue loud enough to hear in the stands?

    Perhaps a Perception + ...Awareness? roll to hear?

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    Pretty sure it is her turn again, yeah - which is really, really good news for Tuoni if this doesn't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurus View Post
    Oh, hold on, it's the top of a new round, isn't it? Ivory Knife delayed to act after Tuoni last time. So unless I'm miscounting, it is her turn again.
    Arrgh, I got thrown off by how many extra actions she got there. But it actually went...

    - Attack that caused the Initiative Shift
    - Instill Suspicion
    - End of that round
    - Delay
    - Tuoni's Aim
    - Raise Suspicion to Major

    So raising the Suspicion Intimacy was the end of a round, with Ivory Knife's action... the invitation to surrender... coming next. You both gained another 5m before that.

    @ Eurus, yes, you can choose not to apply your defenses against an attack. It'd be treated like an Ambush, with Tuoni rolling against Defense 0. Technically he couldn't actually end it with that attack, because he can't use a Decisive attack in Crash, but I'll allow Ivory Knife to go down if that's what she really wants to do. Maybe something like a Manipulation + Martial Arts roll to make it look convincing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sticks View Post
    Was Ivory Knife's latest diologue loud enough to hear in the stands?

    Perhaps a Perception + ...Awareness? roll to hear?
    All this Manipulation + Socialize based social influence has been single-target, which is why I decided to play it like Jai couldn't hear (as far as I remember, Eurus didn't really say how loudly Ivory Knife is talking now, I just assumed), but you could definitely try to eavesdrop (as I implied Mourning Blade had). Perception + Awareness, yeah.
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    She's talking at a pretty normal speaking volume. Hard to hear given the distances involved, I imagine, but there's not a lot of background noise either, so it probably wouldn't be that hard to hear by Exalted standards. Maybe you could even read her lips.
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    Gonna append a roll to that last IC post. Since Wic's studying Lupo, Perception + Awareness

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    I hope nobody's annoyed, or anything. This PvP thing makes me a little nervous in general, heh.
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    Apropos of nothing, but I just watched Kung Fu Hustle. I wish I'd known it was a Stephen Chow movie, because I've loved his stuff before.

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    I'm not at all annoyed (ok, I'm a little annoyed at whichever developer wrote Doe-Eyes Defense); this is an interesting way to end the fight. Speaking of, IC post incoming very soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pfm1995 View Post
    I'm not at all annoyed (ok, I'm a little annoyed at whichever developer wrote Doe-Eyes Defense); this is an interesting way to end the fight. Speaking of, IC post incoming very soon.
    Doe Eyes Defense is pretty nuts, yeah. It's just so crazy efficient for its more cost, and on top of that it's an extra layer of defense, so it might as well be like a non charm bonus.
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    Sorry at the delay; I remember a rule that now I can't find. Also, Eurus, it's worth asking - do you want to continue in the tournament? Because I do have a point of willpower left, but by any reasonable metric you're winning this fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pfm1995 View Post
    Sorry at the delay; I remember a rule that now I can't find. Also, Eurus, it's worth asking - do you want to continue in the tournament? Because I do have a point of willpower left, but by any reasonable metric you're winning this fight.
    Heheh. I realized earlier today that I forgot to account for that stunt we got, so my clever plan was not so clever after all.

    To answer your question: I am totally fine either way. One way or another, somebody's losing round one, after all. Also, nobody's ever going to trust Ivory Knife again if she wins, cough cough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pfm1995 View Post
    Sorry at the delay; I remember a rule that now I can't find. Also, Eurus, it's worth asking - do you want to continue in the tournament? Because I do have a point of willpower left, but by any reasonable metric you're winning this fight.
    What is the rule? I'll offer to help look, if that's any aid. You can PM me if you don't want to give away strategy.

    <-------Really really really wants to see how this will end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sticks View Post
    What is the rule? I'll offer to help look, if that's any aid. You can PM me if you don't want to give away strategy.
    No strategy left at this point. I remember reading that your Limit Trigger can be used as a defining intimacy but can't for the life of me find where I read that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pfm1995 View Post
    No strategy left at this point. I remember reading that your Limit Trigger can be used as a defining intimacy but can't for the life of me find where I read that.
    I can't seem to find it either, and at any rate, I don't think there's any conceivable way you could justify initiating a limit-break as strategy in-character, as our characters can't even be aware of the Great Curse. As far as I'm aware, only Infernals know it exists, and Abyssals just know how Resonance works.

    I guess what I'm saying is...try to end this on your own terms, in ways that make the most sense for your character. If you can't end it on your own terms...at least end it doing something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pfm1995 View Post
    No strategy left at this point. I remember reading that your Limit Trigger can be used as a defining intimacy but can't for the life of me find where I read that.
    You might be thinking of this.

    The behavior enforced by Limit Break is
    treated as a Defining Principle, applying a +4 or -3 to the
    characterís Resolve against relevant influence rolls and
    allowing the character to treat certain types of influence
    as unacceptable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sticks View Post
    I guess what I'm saying is...try to end this on your own terms, in ways that make the most sense for your character. If you can't end it on your own terms...at least end it doing something.
    I found what I was looking for, but it was regarding limit breaks rather than limit triggers.

    Edit: I've finished my post.
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    Then I do believe it's Ivory Knife's turn.

    Edit: That, or it's still mine. Ascension?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurus View Post
    Doe Eyes Defense is pretty nuts, yeah. It's just so crazy efficient for its more cost, and on top of that it's an extra layer of defense, so it might as well be like a non charm bonus.
    I'm gonna punt whoever wrote it didn't read the socialise charms first. They boost Guile a lot, even a one charm dip gets you Shadow over Day, and there are few direct boosts like that for other static values

    (I... may have also written up a Black Claw for this game. ^^ Not Wic, I was the one with multiple submissions.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inspector Valin View Post
    I'm gonna punt whoever wrote it didn't read the socialise charms first. They boost Guile a lot, even a one charm dip gets you Shadow over Day, and there are few direct boosts like that for other static values

    (I... may have also written up a Black Claw for this game. ^^ Not Wic, I was the one with multiple submissions.)
    (I did as well, but ditched the concept before I looked at the socialize charms)

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    Now itís all down to what Knife does, and how well Tuoni can defend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pfm1995 View Post
    Then I do believe it's Ivory Knife's turn.

    Edit: That, or it's still mine. Ascension?
    Is asking Lupo for a judgment all you want to do with your turn? Since it wasn't a rolled social action and since the real-time length of turns is flexible in this edition, I think I'd be willing to count it as "reflexive" and let you do something else, but I can also see, dramatically speaking, how it might be better to class that as Tuoni's turn and go over to Ivory Knife.
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