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    Default How does culinary art looks like in fantasy setting?

    I mean, passionate gourmand would like to experience all spices given remove disease together with neutralize poison would heal aftermath. The dishes could be really savage.

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    The 2e description for fhorge included a recipe for them. I was a little disappointed when the 3.5 version didn't. There's also honey ants in Darksun large enough to serve as beasts of burden; you have your wagon pulled by things, and take their honey at rest stops. But on the whole, there isn't a lot of stuff about being an epicurean in a fantasy setting. They leave that up to the table.

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    Obligatory mention of the Adamantine Chef PrC: have such class features as Cooking Mastery, Gourmand's Feast (Sp), Fire Resistance, Sense Poisoned Food, Cook Anything, Summon Calzone Golem (Sp), Mastery of the Chaotic Kitchen, Flurry of Cleavers, Summon Death Salad (Sp), Cook Anywhere and Anytime (Sp), Mastery of Butchery, and Summon Pie Fiend
    Was printed in the Knowledge Arcana #9 (web archive)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ayvango View Post
    I mean, passionate gourmand would like to experience all spices given remove disease together with neutralize poison would heal aftermath. The dishes could be really savage.
    Some of the newer PF setting books tend to have spices and stuff in the equipment section and some of the more common "game animals" in the bestiary. There's... interesting stuff to be found there, starting with herbs and salts that tend to mesh well with spells, or a pepper that works best on something that was first turned into stone...

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    You get tired of dragon and purple worm after the first week.

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    Nobody's mentioned illithids and illithid savant yet?

    For shame.

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    I would guess that the highest-end chefs would have to be spellcasters. Prestidigitation can already make something taste however the caster wants it to, so flavors are limited only by the imagination. Illusion magic could make the meals look however the caster wants, too, so presentation is completely covered. I would think that experimental gourmands would be looking into rare and unique textures, since that would be the one thing not quite so easily replicable by magic. (Aromas, too, though some of the higher-end illusion magic specifies smell).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShurikVch View Post
    Obligatory mention of the Adamantine Chef PrC: have such class features as Cooking Mastery, Gourmand's Feast (Sp), Fire Resistance, Sense Poisoned Food, Cook Anything, Summon Calzone Golem (Sp), Mastery of the Chaotic Kitchen, Flurry of Cleavers, Summon Death Salad (Sp), Cook Anywhere and Anytime (Sp), Mastery of Butchery, and Summon Pie Fiend
    Was printed in the Knowledge Arcana #9 (web archive)
    This class needs to be an Iron Chef ingredient here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telonius View Post
    I would guess that the highest-end chefs would have to be spellcasters. Prestidigitation can already make something taste however the caster wants it to, so flavors are limited only by the imagination. Illusion magic could make the meals look however the caster wants, too, so presentation is completely covered. I would think that experimental gourmands would be looking into rare and unique textures, since that would be the one thing not quite so easily replicable by magic. (Aromas, too, though some of the higher-end illusion magic specifies smell).
    Erroneous. A true chef would never stoop so low to dupe their customers. Besides, there's not enough spell slots to cover an entire dining room for a day.

    At best it would be a Rogue with max UMD and wands. Lots of wands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaucaTerrorem View Post
    Erroneous. A true chef would never stoop so low to dupe their customers. Besides, there's not enough spell slots to cover an entire dining room for a day.

    At best it would be a Rogue with max UMD and wands. Lots of wands.
    Totally disagree. Magic is just another ingredient. You're not duping the customer by putting tarragon on chicken, or dyeing orange peels orange. (If the menu wasn't labeled properly, that's another story - you're just one Mind Blank away from a major lawsuit).

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    Pathfinder has a host of memory exchanging and memory storage magics. A ghoul bard in one of our IRL games used them to start a library cult of tastes.

    In 3.x Programmed amnesia could let you make someone remember tasting whatever you program their memory to have tasted.


    Really thougg the right answer is to probably just be a dragon as they can canonically eat literally anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Telonius View Post
    Totally disagree. Magic is just another ingredient. You're not duping the customer by putting tarragon on chicken, or dyeing orange peels orange. (If the menu wasn't labeled properly, that's another story - you're just one Mind Blank away from a major lawsuit).
    Magic wouldn't be an ingredient, it would be the fix-all. When a chef serves a chicken, he cooked a chicken. With magic when a chef serves a chicken, he probably cooked an old boot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unseenmage View Post
    Really thougg the right answer is to probably just be a dragon as they can canonically eat literally anything.
    Does that include Dragonwrought kobolds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiDuRaritry View Post
    Does that include Dragonwrought kobolds?
    That's entirely possible one supposes. Does that make PunPun the ultimate gourmand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaucaTerrorem View Post
    Magic wouldn't be an ingredient, it would be the fix-all. When a chef serves a chicken, he cooked a chicken. With magic when a chef serves a chicken, he probably cooked an old boot.
    Traditionally, this is exactly how it looks in folklore and fiction influenced by it. In the Swan Knight's son series (I think the second book), the title character is at the elf king's feast. The entire feast is illusion magic (the main character sees through illusions) and he can see that all of the things the people around him are chewing and raving about are really disgusting things like an old boot or fast food wrappers.

    That could easily be a kind of in joke among some magically superior groups where they serve the most wondrous feasts but only the food they serve themselves is real food and their "guests" or servants get magicked up garbage while the elite laugh at their gullibility.

    The other traditional bit about magic food is that once you taste it, all other food tastes bland or awful and people can be enslaved by their desire to taste it again. (The white witch's Turkish delight in the Lion the Witch and the wardrobe is an homage to such folklore).

    In a fantasy world influenced by such things there might be an ingrained suspicion of such things and in many areas might even be a strong disapproval of gustatory epicureanism that equates the gourmet with the glutton. No one likes bad food of course, but food that is too good or that is enchanted in any way is a faerie trap and someone who has to have the best and most fantastic food makes himself easy prey for malicious faeries.
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    I remember a webpublished adventure during the 3.0? 3.5 days over on the wizards site, of the party being sent to see this chef, only to find the house in shambles, and a calzone golem in the basement... Partly due to a wizard marrying a chef.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mnemius View Post
    I remember a webpublished adventure during the 3.0? 3.5 days over on the wizards site, of the party being sent to see this chef, only to find the house in shambles, and a calzone golem in the basement... Partly due to a wizard marrying a chef.
    It was the Something's Cooking. It's unavailable to download "as is", but web archive still have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ayvango View Post
    I mean, passionate gourmand would like to experience all spices given remove disease together with neutralize poison would heal aftermath. The dishes could be really savage.
    I've thought about things like this but coming at it from another direction. To wit: disguised poison-immune demons eating food made out of things like belladonna, apple seeds, and horse-chestnuts and offering to share it with others
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