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    Red-Green-Blue-Black-White

    Red+Green= mud
    Red+Blue= Purple Dragon
    Red+Black= Maroon Dragon
    Red+White= Pink Dragon

    Green+Blue= Teal Dragon
    Green+Black= Olive Dragon
    Green+White= Lime Dragon

    Blue+Black= Navy Blue Dragon
    Blue+White= Periwinkle Dragon

    Black+White= Zebra Dragon(grey)

    Each new dragon gains the same resistances as its parents and the breath weapon is half and half.
    This seems logical right?
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    We, as humans, have incisors. Those are made for tearing flesh and meat.
    Meat tastes good.
    If we aren't supposed to eat people, then why are they made of meat?

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    Sure, why not?
    Although a pink dragon whose breath weapon was just a huge cloud of steam might be funny (I know cold |= ice, but rule-of-cool and all that).

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    Man it would suck to be the Mud Dragon. All these cool, beautiful dragons and you're the Mud Dragon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mephnick View Post
    Man it would suck to be the Mud Dragon. All these cool, beautiful dragons and you're the Mud Dragon.
    I hereby dub thee... The MUD DRAGON!!!

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    His name is Mud. "I MUST RIDE MY DRAGON INTO BATTLE!!!" "what kind of dragon?" "Umm... a mud dragon" "Oh"
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    Quote Originally Posted by DivisibleByZero View Post
    We, as humans, have incisors. Those are made for tearing flesh and meat.
    Meat tastes good.
    If we aren't supposed to eat people, then why are they made of meat?

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    Also, the Olive Dragon (Green+Black) would have a corrosive gas as his breath weapon. It deals acid damage, but the save is Con-based instead of Dex.

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    Really cool idea. If I ever have a chance to use it, I think I will.

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    Also, I just realized that the colors of dragons in D&D directly correspond to the 5 base colors of mana in MTG. Coincidence? I think not.

    This would make the pink dragon Boros, the navy one Dimir, the mud dragon Gruul, ect.

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    The lime dragon sprays lime juice in its enemies eyes.
    The mud dragon spits mud. Poor mud dragon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DivisibleByZero View Post
    We, as humans, have incisors. Those are made for tearing flesh and meat.
    Meat tastes good.
    If we aren't supposed to eat people, then why are they made of meat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivor_The_Mad View Post
    His name is Mud. "I MUST RIDE MY DRAGON INTO BATTLE!!!" "what kind of dragon?" "Umm... a mud dragon" "Oh"
    Nobody wanted Toothless either but look how that turned out. Watch the mud dragon beat the crap out of every other kind of dragon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivor_The_Mad View Post
    The lime dragon sprays lime juice in its enemies eyes.
    The mud dragon spits mud. Poor mud dragon.
    Well, if we're using the mud mephit's breath weapon as a baseline, it would blind the enemy, and maybe even stick them in place.

    Not to mention that it's both poisonous and scalding hot...

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_brazenburn View Post
    Well, if we're using the mud mephit's breath weapon as a baseline, it would blind the enemy, and maybe even stick them in place.

    Not to mention that it's both poisonous and scalding hot...
    Yes but imagine what it tastes like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DivisibleByZero View Post
    We, as humans, have incisors. Those are made for tearing flesh and meat.
    Meat tastes good.
    If we aren't supposed to eat people, then why are they made of meat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivor_The_Mad View Post
    Red-Green-Blue-Black-White

    Red+Green= mud
    Red+Blue= Purple Dragon
    Red+Black= Maroon Dragon
    Red+White= Pink Dragon

    Green+Blue= Teal Dragon
    Green+Black= Dark Green Dragon
    Green+White= Lime Dragon

    Blue+Black= Navy Blue Dragon
    Blue+White= Periwinkle Dragon

    Black+White= Zebra Dragon(grey)

    Each new dragon gains the same resistances as its parents and the breath weapon is half and half.
    This seems logical right?
    What could be interesting is to have a newly created dragonís breath weapon do the damage type of one parent, but have the area of effect and/or saving throw of the other parent. For example, a zebra dragon could breathe cold damage in a line that forces a dexterity saving or throw or breathe acid in a cone that forces a constitution saving throw. A mud dragon could breathe poison in a cone that forces a dexterity saving throw or fire in a cone that forces constitution saving throw.

    What could also be interesting is to create dragons that have breath weapons with AoE no other dragons have. Ond that vomits out something like a magical grenade that explodes out in a circle or perhaps an insidious dragon that conjures tentacles that lash out at targets within a cube. Canít quite see the cylinder working, as features that have cylindrical AoE always seem to come from above (flame strike, sacred flame).
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    In my setting dragons all start a shade of brown and as their personality grow it determines what color and fire-breath the dragon will have. As wyrmlings they seek out an adult of the same color as a "Parental Guardian" of sorts which will be more influential than biological parents, though some do stay with their brood mother and take on the same traits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mephnick View Post
    Man it would suck to be the Mud Dragon. All these cool, beautiful dragons and you're the Mud Dragon.
    Is it? No one wants to ride you or defeat you to have their name immortalized in song. Yeah, no wenches of any type are going to sleep with the slayer of the MUD DRAGON. If you keep hiding your loot underneath a bunch of muck it might also deter potential thieves. The mud might also make stealth a little more difficult...
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    Since these are all chromatic, I imagine the mud dragon might accidentally turn out neutral good kind of like Drew the Lich.

    Mud dragon: "Damnit, no knights want to fight me! I better provoke the humans!"

    *destroys fortress which actually belongs to a band of thieves who have been terrorizing the region. Gets hailed as the savior of the town.

    Mud dragon: "Damnit!"

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    What CR would a mud dragon be? I am imagining 12 for an adult mud dragon, as that would fit the pattern the best (the CRs of the five different adult chromatic dragons are 13, 14, 15, 16 and 17). I could totally homebrew that if you give me a day or two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Requilac View Post
    What could be interesting is to have a newly created dragonís breath weapon do the damage type of one parent, but have the area of effect and/or saving throw of the other parent. For example, a zebra dragon could breathe cold damage in a line that forces a dexterity saving or throw or breathe acid in a cone that forces a constitution saving throw. A mud dragon could breathe poison in a cone that forces a dexterity saving throw or fire in a cone that forces constitution saving throw.

    What could also be interesting is to create dragons that have breath weapons with AoE no other dragons have. Ond that vomits out something like a magical grenade that explodes out in a circle or perhaps an insidious dragon that conjures tentacles that lash out at targets within a cube. Canít quite see the cylinder working, as features that have cylindrical AoE always seem to come from above (flame strike, sacred flame).
    That an interesting idea. Ill work on that. as for homebrewing a mud dragon, that would be great!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DivisibleByZero View Post
    We, as humans, have incisors. Those are made for tearing flesh and meat.
    Meat tastes good.
    If we aren't supposed to eat people, then why are they made of meat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Requilac View Post
    What CR would a mud dragon be? I am imagining 12 for an adult mud dragon, as that would fit the pattern the best (the CRs of the five different adult chromatic dragons are 13, 14, 15, 16 and 17). I could totally homebrew that if you give me a day or two.
    I would personally go 16, the average between Red and Green, if the idea is that it's a crossbreed.
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    AoE damage breath weapons: an liquid breath weapon ex/ acid+cold makes a congealed acid grenade Dex save same damage. Or Draken Dragon+kraken has a tentacle swarm instead of a breath weapon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DivisibleByZero View Post
    We, as humans, have incisors. Those are made for tearing flesh and meat.
    Meat tastes good.
    If we aren't supposed to eat people, then why are they made of meat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gloryblaze View Post
    I would personally go 16, the average between Red and Green, if the idea is that it's a crossbreed.
    Good idea, it should be CR 16.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Requilac View Post
    Good idea, it should be CR 16.
    Maybe something like

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    Armor Class: 19 (natural armor)
    Hit Points: 230 (20d12+100)
    Speed: 40 feet, fly 80 feet, swim 40 feet

    STR: 25 (+7) DEX: 11 (+0) CON: 20 (+5) INT: 17 (+3) WIS: 14 (+2) CHA: 19 (+4)

    Saving Throws
    Dex +5, Con +10, Wis +7, Cha +9

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    Blindsight 60 feet, Darkvision 120 feet, passive Perception 22

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    Challenge: 16

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    Legendary Resistance (3/Day): If the dragon fails a saving throw, it can choose to succeed instead.

    Mud Camouflage: The dragon has advantage on Dexterity (Stealth) checks made to hide in mud and swampy terrain.

    Actions
    Multiattack: The dragon can use its Frightful Presence. It then makes three attacks: one with its bite and two with its claws.

    Bite: Melee Weapon Attack: +12 to hit, reach 10 ft., one target. Hit: 18 (2d10 + 7) piercing damage plus 3 (1d6) poison damage.

    Claw: Melee Weapon Attack: +12 to hit, reach 5 ft., one target. Hit: 14 (2d6 + 7) slashing damage.

    Tail: Melee Weapon Attack: +12 to hit, reach 15 ft., one target. Hit: 16 (2d8 + 7) bludgeoning damage.

    Frightful Presence: Each creature of the dragon's choice that is within 120 ft. of the dragon and aware of it must succeed on a DC 18 Wisdom saving throw or become Frightened for 1 minute. A creature can repeat the saving throw at the end of each of its turns, ending the effect on itself on a success. If a creature's saving throw is successful or the effect ends for it, the creature is immune to the dragon's Frightful Presence for the next 24 hours.

    Mud Breath (Recharge 5-6): The dragon vomits a ball of boiling, poisonous muck at a point within 60 feet of it. The ball detonates into a 30-foot-radius sphere. Each creature in that area must make a DC 18 Dexterity saving throw. On a failed save, a target takes 21 (6d6) fire damage and 21 (6d6) poison damage and is restrained until the end of its next turn. On a success, a target takes half as much damage and is not restrained.

    Legendary Actions
    Can take 3 Legendary Actions, choosing from the options below. Only one legendary action can be used at a time, and only at the end of another creature's turn. Spent legendary actions are regained at the start of each turn.

    Detect: The dragon makes a Wisdom (Perception) check.

    Tail Attack: The dragon makes a tail Attack.

    Wing Attack (Costs 2 Actions): The dragon beats its wings. Each creature within 10 ft. of the dragon must succeed on a DC 20 Dexterity saving throw or take 14 (2d6 + 7) bludgeoning damage and be knocked prone. The dragon can then fly up to half its flying speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gloryblaze View Post
    Maybe something like

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    Huge dragon, neutral evil

    Armor Class: 19 (natural armor)
    Hit Points: 230 (20d12+100)
    Speed: 40 feet, fly 80 feet, swim 40 feet

    STR: 25 (+7) DEX: 11 (+0) CON: 20 (+5) INT: 17 (+3) WIS: 14 (+2) CHA: 19 (+4)

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    Dex +5, Con +10, Wis +7, Cha +9

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    Blindsight 60 feet, Darkvision 120 feet, passive Perception 22

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    Challenge: 16

    Traits
    Legendary Resistance (3/Day): If the dragon fails a saving throw, it can choose to succeed instead.

    Mud Camouflage: The dragon has advantage on Dexterity (Stealth) checks made to hide in mud and swampy terrain.

    Actions
    Multiattack: The dragon can use its Frightful Presence. It then makes three attacks: one with its bite and two with its claws.

    Bite: Melee Weapon Attack: +12 to hit, reach 10 ft., one target. Hit: 18 (2d10 + 7) piercing damage plus 3 (1d6) poison damage.

    Claw: Melee Weapon Attack: +12 to hit, reach 5 ft., one target. Hit: 14 (2d6 + 7) slashing damage.

    Tail: Melee Weapon Attack: +12 to hit, reach 15 ft., one target. Hit: 16 (2d8 + 7) bludgeoning damage.

    Frightful Presence: Each creature of the dragon's choice that is within 120 ft. of the dragon and aware of it must succeed on a DC 18 Wisdom saving throw or become Frightened for 1 minute. A creature can repeat the saving throw at the end of each of its turns, ending the effect on itself on a success. If a creature's saving throw is successful or the effect ends for it, the creature is immune to the dragon's Frightful Presence for the next 24 hours.

    Mud Breath (Recharge 5-6): The dragon vomits a ball of boiling, poisonous muck at a point within 60 feet of it. The ball detonates into a 30-foot-radius sphere. Each creature in that area must make a DC 18 Dexterity saving throw. On a failed save, a target takes 21 (6d6) fire damage and 21 (6d6) poison damage and is restrained until the end of its next turn. On a success, a target takes half as much damage and is not restrained.

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    Can take 3 Legendary Actions, choosing from the options below. Only one legendary action can be used at a time, and only at the end of another creature's turn. Spent legendary actions are regained at the start of each turn.

    Detect: The dragon makes a Wisdom (Perception) check.

    Tail Attack: The dragon makes a tail Attack.

    Wing Attack (Costs 2 Actions): The dragon beats its wings. Each creature within 10 ft. of the dragon must succeed on a DC 20 Dexterity saving throw or take 14 (2d6 + 7) bludgeoning damage and be knocked prone. The dragon can then fly up to half its flying speed.
    I was probably going to use the adult red dragon as a basis, and I would slightly adjust its statistics to suit its CR. and then I was of course going to give it some extra features and some earth and water based spellcasting. That is a good place to start though, thank you for your help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Requilac View Post
    I was probably going to use the adult red dragon as a basis, and I would slightly adjust its statistics to suit its CR. and then I was of course going to give it some extra features and some earth and water based spellcasting. That is a good place to start though, thank you for your help.
    That stablock is almost literally the average of adult red + adult green, with the addition of Mud Camouflage and a restrain effect on the breath weapon (in exchange for damage).

    Dragons generally don't have innate spellcasting in 5e, although it is of course a Variant Rule presented in the MM. The block I put up is supposed to be as close to a MM-style dragon as possible, with a splash of muddy flavor

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    Quote Originally Posted by gloryblaze View Post
    That stablock is almost literally the average of adult red + adult green, with the addition of Mud Camouflage and a restrain effect on the breath weapon (in exchange for damage).

    Dragons generally don't have innate spellcasting in 5e, although it is of course a Variant Rule presented in the MM. The block I put up is supposed to be as close to a MM-style dragon as possible, with a splash of muddy flavor
    I know spellcasting is not necessary, but it seems just too good to not include.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Requilac View Post
    I know spellcasting is not necessary, but it seems just too good to not include.
    I find it a bit odd that the child of a red dragon (that does not cast spells by default) and a green dragon (that does not cast spells by default) would for some reason automatically have spellcasting?

    Although maybe I'm just biased against the idea. In general I find that spellcasting does not inherently make any given monster more interesting, but I know that's a contentious opinion so I'll leave it at that haha.

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    Im wondering how rare these would be. Or in what situations you would find one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DivisibleByZero View Post
    We, as humans, have incisors. Those are made for tearing flesh and meat.
    Meat tastes good.
    If we aren't supposed to eat people, then why are they made of meat?

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    The question remains, though.

    What the **** is a Yellow Dragon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivor_The_Mad View Post
    Im wondering how rare these would be. Or in what situations you would find one.
    Probably when a green dragon moves in next to a red dragon. The red dragon brought over a house warming gift. The green dragon was feeling down after a really bad breakup with a blue dragon who was a manipulative *******. They got to talking and well... things happened with Barry White playing in the background.

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    The question remains, though.

    What the **** is a Yellow Dragon?
    ... a ...Sunshine dragon?
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    We, as humans, have incisors. Those are made for tearing flesh and meat.
    Meat tastes good.
    If we aren't supposed to eat people, then why are they made of meat?

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