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    It is a world ruled by Mad Science! Things happen. Usually, they happen to other people. This is entertainment. That's when the front door gets blown in- And you belatedly realize that, once again, you are doomed to be the entertainment in another exciting installment of: GIRL GENIUS!

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    On the one hand, it is pretty smart to put the sparks where you can keep them easily segregated from the rest of the populace. On the other hand, I don't think the threat of imminent drowning is enough to keep sparks from creating really dangerous stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockphed View Post
    On the other hand, I don't think the threat of imminent drowning is enough to keep sparks from creating really dangerous stuff.
    I don't think it is intended to. I think Albia is quite comfortable accepting that nothing short of molecular disintegration will stop sparks from creating really dangerous stuff. This is just an effective form of damage control when said stuff gets created.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    I don't think it is intended to. I think Albia is quite comfortable accepting that nothing short of molecular disintegration will stop sparks from creating really dangerous stuff. This is just an effective form of damage control when said stuff gets created.

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    Nah, this only works for mildly dangerous things, really dangerous things can have an effect radius of kilometres, or hundreds of kilometres.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eee View Post
    Trelawney's comment to Gil and Tarvek that she might not go back with them might foreshadow this. She might know her Queen well enough to know she wouldn't willingly let Agatha go...
    Which should be "interesting"...to say the least.

    (Sorry if this is already been brought up. I read back over the last 10 pages or so and didn't see anything...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xianthe View Post
    Which should be "interesting"...to say the least.

    (Sorry if this is already been brought up. I read back over the last 10 pages or so and didn't see anything...)
    I had forgotten about that threat. I'm pretty sure that Gil hasn't. This may be part of why Wooster is so uptight right now.
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    An interesting form of damage control. Reminds me of a sci-fi movie I saw where the research stations are placed over Venusian-level Hellworlds. One problem, the braking rockets fire and the whole thing does an atmosphere dive into a place where we can't go. This is a little less permanent, which is okay if you don't want to build a whole new dome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockphed View Post
    I had forgotten about that threat. I'm pretty sure that Gil hasn't. This may be part of why Wooster is so uptight right now.
    I don't think Gil has either. In fact it would be no surprise if he didn't already figure out how to do all that he has everything set up to actually do it. Gil is at heart a nice guy and one of the few truly good people in the comic. But he is also a living example of Beware The Nice Ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by halfeye View Post
    Nah, this only works for mildly dangerous things, really dangerous things can have an effect radius of kilometres, or hundreds of kilometres.
    Depends how deep underwater you are. If you set off a nuke at the bottom of the deep ocean then the huge pressure of water around it would restrict the blast radius to maybe a few hundred metres, for instance--it takes a lot more energy to push water under those sorts of pressure away from the hypocentre than regular sea-level pressure air.

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    Well, we have the promise of Egregious Violence done.

    I wonder how well that from of "damage control" works on the seriously strong sparks.

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    I don't think Gil has either. In fact it would be no surprise if he didn't already figure out how to do all that he has everything set up to actually do it. Gil is at heart a nice guy and one of the few truly good people in the comic. But he is also a living example of Beware The Nice Ones.
    On the other hand, Gil didn't have any weapons until after Agatha built him one.
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    It's also possible that Lord Womble is being sarcastic here; he's already demonstrated a tendency towards snarking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by factotum View Post
    Depends how deep underwater you are. If you set off a nuke at the bottom of the deep ocean then the huge pressure of water around it would restrict the blast radius to maybe a few hundred metres, for instance--it takes a lot more energy to push water under those sorts of pressure away from the hypocentre than regular sea-level pressure air.
    Never heard of man-made tsunamis? (hint: you just described how to create one)

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    Quote Originally Posted by factotum View Post
    Depends how deep underwater you are. If you set off a nuke at the bottom of the deep ocean then the huge pressure of water around it would restrict the blast radius to maybe a few hundred metres, for instance--it takes a lot more energy to push water under those sorts of pressure away from the hypocentre than regular sea-level pressure air.
    They're above the level of the continental shelf, almost certainly.

    That said, it depends on the nuke. A really big one would make waves anywhere. Beside which, ground and sea bursts are much more polluting than air-bursts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guttering flame View Post
    Never heard of man-made tsunamis? (hint: you just described how to create one)
    I really, really didn't. A nuke a few hundred feet below the surface might generate a big wave (as in the Castle Bravo nuclear test), but if you were to somehow set off the Tsar Bomba at the bottom of the Challenger Deep a ship on the surface wouldn't even notice.

    (More info: see section "Deep nuclear explosions" on the Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_explosion)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockphed View Post
    On the other hand, Gil didn't have any weapons until after Agatha built him one.
    And then Gil built his own Here. And a short time later beats the tar out of a huge Jarger named Vole while rather badly wounded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HandofShadows View Post
    And then Gil built his own Here. And a short time later beats the tar out of a huge Jarger named Vole while rather badly wounded.
    Yes. Before Agatha, Gil didn't have much reason for weapons or violence, except as a matter of routine. His father was his main emotional focus, and really, what could threaten Klaus? Since then, he's grown and become more accomplished at fighting. Part of this is due to Agatha. Not only is she an even greater emotional focus, she's in danger constantly; and Gil will pull out ALL the stops to keep her safe. Tarvek, too, as we've seen. If Albia DOES try holding on to her, even with strings of silk and trickery, England's going to boil.

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    Gil's a powerful spark, but Albia has technology that is literally so advanced as to be indistinguishable from magic. There's only so far passion can take you.
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    So, everyone noticed that, so far, they've only referenced princesses in England? And Albia said "weeds" right after discussing Gil and Tarvek?

    I'm beginning to get a bit nervous about how this dynasty is run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellen View Post
    So, everyone noticed that, so far, they've only referenced princesses in England? And Albia said "weeds" right after discussing Gil and Tarvek?

    I'm beginning to get a bit nervous about how this dynasty is run.
    Just now you are beginning to get a bit nervous?

    And dynasty? For some reason I don't think Albia has a dynasty. I thought the Princesses were princesses from other countries/nations..... on permanent visitations. Makes me wonder how often they were "rescued" from the outside
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    I don't understand the point of the fourth lab.
    Isn't everything Sparks create a abomination of science?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kantaki View Post
    I don't understand the point of the fourth lab.
    Isn't everything Sparks create a abomination of science?
    Of course. But it's cool to have a lab especially-made for your abominable creations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SZbNAhL View Post
    Gil's a powerful spark, but Albia has technology that is literally so advanced as to be indistinguishable from magic. There's only so far passion can take you.
    Yes and no.

    Passion can in fact take you to a lot of places in Girl Genius. But even beyond that, the simple fact is that for any spark, blowing something up is multiple orders of magnitude easier than protecting it, which does bridge the gap a bunch. If Gil and Tarvek do decide England has to go...

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    Somehow, I am reminded of the White Witch enticing Edmund with Turkish Delight in the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe.

    Quote Originally Posted by SZbNAhL View Post
    Gil's a powerful spark, but Albia has technology that is literally so advanced as to be indistinguishable from magic. There's only so far passion can take you.
    There are hints there's an emotional component to the Spark. It may not be like an intellectual analog to "the madder Hulk gets, the STRONGER Hulk gets!" but extreme stress seems to increase its potency. I wouldn't bet that putting Agatha at risk WON'T made Gil and Tarvek come up with something Albia can't handle.

    Or that doing the same but with Gil and Tarrvek as the targets might not prompt Agatha to do even worse.

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    I do stand in the camp that passion or no, The Queen is to much for anyone else we have seen so far to handle. I might give Klaus a chance in open warfare, empire against empire. But here The Queen has all the cards on her hand.
    All the same i do also think Gil and Tarvek can cook up enough chaos that keeping Agatha would be more trouble than its worth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lord_khaine View Post
    I do stand in the camp that passion or no, The Queen is to much for anyone else we have seen so far to handle. I might give Klaus a chance in open warfare, empire against empire. But here The Queen has all the cards on her hand.
    All the same i do also think Gil and Tarvek can cook up enough chaos that keeping Agatha would be more trouble than its worth.
    The old Master of Paris came off as unassailable as well, when he was introduced, as did Klaus. Circumstances tore both to shreds pretty quickly, however, after Agatha showed up. Of course, Agatha never tried to take down either of them (battle at the circus was an emotional reaction, not an attempt), and in fact worked to defend Voltaire, but her presence introduces too many variables for even the great and powerful to properly account for.

    If she's an out-and-out villain, I'll be disappointed. The rulers we've seen have been pretty darn reasonable so far, even Martellus has his positive traits. I do want her to be like them - nominally good people who simply have different agendas than Agatha.

    As for the current strip, the fourth lab makes a lot of sense to me. While Sparks generally make abominations of science as a rule, they don't always make Abominations of Science!!!, if you will. Especially mature Sparks that have survived the recklessness of their youth. Not everything is a haywire death machine looking to unleash havoc on an unsuspecting world. And even the Abominations require components that need precision tools rather than superfluous safeguards. It's really rather clever.
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    The old Master of Paris came off as unassailable as well, when he was introduced, as did Klaus. Circumstances tore both to shreds pretty quickly, however, after Agatha showed up. Of course, Agatha never tried to take down either of them (battle at the circus was an emotional reaction, not an attempt), and in fact worked to defend Voltaire, but her presence introduces too many variables for even the great and powerful to properly account for.
    Hmm.. not certain i agree. The Master of Paris was shown to have grown old and tired. I would say his fall came from the hands of nature more than anything else. While Klaus were taken down by a sneak attack from a hidden spark that had proven his equal before.

    The Queen meanwhile seems like an older version of the Master who are still at the same time in her prime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PraetorDragoon View Post
    Just now you are beginning to get a bit nervous?

    And dynasty? For some reason I don't think Albia has a dynasty. I thought the Princesses were princesses from other countries/nations..... on permanent visitations. Makes me wonder how often they were "rescued" from the outside
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    Quote Originally Posted by eee View Post
    Or that doing the same but with Gil and Tarrvek as the targets might not prompt Agatha to do even worse.
    I think the three of them are going to end up saving each other again a little like in Der Kastel.
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