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    Oh dear...

    This would be the worst possible time for V to get spirited away by the IFCC.

    The question is if V will be gone for 3:06 or 20:35.
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    Well, that's probably not good.
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    I though Haley had better chance to resist than most.
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    Ominous. Maybe V will need to do some dispelling too.
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    Whoa, Hilgya has the swirly eyes?

    But Kudzu doesn't! Kudzu has a better save than mommy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quild View Post
    I though Haley had better chance to resist than most.
    Straight Rogue, last I checked. Her Will Save wouldn't be much better than Belkars, give or take a couple of points.

    I'm more surprised that Hilgya failed... given... Cleric.
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    Okay, one Vamp right behind Roy, and half the party is mesmerized!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Quild View Post
    I though Haley had better chance to resist than most.
    Not as good as a cleric's, who get max will save progression and have high wis to boot, and yet I can't fail but notice that they got Hilgya. Which is not surprising, since 1s and 20s do happen occasionally.

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    Ceterum autem censeo Hilgya malefica est

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    How does a high level cleric get bedazzled that easily?

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    Is Belkar not wearing his Protection from Evil thingy?

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    Vampire may be an overpriced template for PCs... But on a villain, that at-will dominate can wreak havoc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar Demonblud View Post
    Whoa, Hilgya has the swirly eyes?

    But Kudzu doesn't! Kudzu has a better save than mommy!
    Or the vampire's specifically avoided targeting "low threat" enemies. Given that it's a standard action each time- don't want to waste those actions.

    http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/vampire.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmc91356 View Post
    How does a high level cleric get bedazzled that easily?
    By rolling a 1 on their save roll.

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    Is Belkar not wearing his Protection from Evil thingy?
    Not after the dispel, it seems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar Demonblud View Post
    Whoa, Hilgya has the swirly eyes?

    But Kudzu doesn't! Kudzu has a better save than mommy!
    It's possible that Durkula might be keeping his promise of not messing with Kudzu. Then again, maybe he rolled natural 20.

    This looks like a turning point in the fight. I'm curios as to how V & Roy are going to handle it.

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    The vamp in front of Durkula is also gazing (glow around the eyes).
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    Wow. Things are certainly getting interesting...

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    AHHH!!! was my real world reaction.

    I was scrolling slowly and thought "Why is Durkon still smiling?"

    AHHH AHH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamishspence View Post
    Or the vampire's specifically avoided targeting "low threat" enemies. Given that it's a standard action each time- don't want to waste those actions.

    http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/vampire.htm
    my question is how the Hel the vampires reached the backline with that, they've only got 30 foot range...

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    V. should probably be ranting about the immense odds against all of those saves and dispel rolls going against the OotS right now (particularly Hilgya failing that Will save), but I suppose it wouldn't be fun if they won the fight that easily. . .
    Sudden thought after watching an old "Lois and Clark" episode: Lane Davies aka Tempus is probably the best possible choice to portray an animated or live action Xykon if either of those ever becomes reality--he was born in 1950 and Tempus' personality is a close match for pre-lich Xykon IMO. Just my two cents.

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    This would be a really good time for the low level cleric to bust a Magic Circle Against Evil.

    At least it shouldn't be too hard to free two of them, as there are two mook vampires present.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2D8HP View Post
    Okay, one Vamp right behind Roy, and half the party is mesmerized!


    I'm scared!
    Roy isn't as vulnerable as V. right now--particularly since Roy's sword has the demonstrated ability to remove negative levels and wounds in the middle of a fight with undead.
    Sudden thought after watching an old "Lois and Clark" episode: Lane Davies aka Tempus is probably the best possible choice to portray an animated or live action Xykon if either of those ever becomes reality--he was born in 1950 and Tempus' personality is a close match for pre-lich Xykon IMO. Just my two cents.

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    I was under the impression that Roy's sword was a two-hander, but then it would take a full-round action to throw. Did we know it was a one-hander (likely a bastard)?

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    But really, the important lesson here is this: Rather than making assumptions that don't fit with the text and then complaining about the text being wrong, why not just choose different assumptions that DO fit with the text?
    Ceterum autem censeo Hilgya malefica est

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    I got to panel 15, and was thinking, "why does Durkula look so happy? He should be confused or distressed or something."
    Then I got to panel 16, and I was like "Oh. That's why."
    Edit: I'm surprised we don't get to see the memory yet. I thought there was a climaxish moment coming.

    Also, as a person without 3.5 knowledge, I don't understand why Bloodfeast didn't get turned into a dinosaur. Can anybody explain?
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    Hmm.

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    If *all* the abjurations of the Order just went down, I can think of a really adorable reason why Hilgya would quickly snap out of it, not knowing that Durkula has declared Kudzu off limits
    Sudden thought after watching an old "Lois and Clark" episode: Lane Davies aka Tempus is probably the best possible choice to portray an animated or live action Xykon if either of those ever becomes reality--he was born in 1950 and Tempus' personality is a close match for pre-lich Xykon IMO. Just my two cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r2d2go View Post
    my question is how the Hel the vampires reached the backline with that, they've only got 30 foot range...
    There's a vampire spawn staring into the back rank right behind Roy. Maybe she did it? I'm not a D&D expert but a lookup of the vampiric gaze says it works like a Dominate Person with caster level 12 (5th level for spawn).
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    What's interesting is that Hilgya got "swirly-eyed" but Minrah managed to make her save.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crœsos View Post
    What's interesting is that Hilgya got "swirly-eyed" but Minrah managed to make her save.
    Clerics have decent will saves. Minrah passing her save is not unexpected. Hilgya tanking hers is, but bad rolls do happen.

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    Ceterum autem censeo Hilgya malefica est

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    By rolling a 1 on their save roll.
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    And once again, Probability proves itself willing to sneak into a back alley and service Drama as would a copper-piece harlot.

    This is not good.

    ETA: Does this mean we were wrong about Dispel Magic heralding the return of Bloodfeast the Extreme-inator, or might he pop up in the first panel next time?
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    MINNAH made her save but Hylga couldn’t?

    Dang, how bad do you have roll to flub one in your classes area of expertise? I mean “high level” clerics are supposed to be good at that, and she has a huge willpower to cast high level spells like we’ve seen her do.
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