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    Default Villainous Competition XXVII - Multiple Personality Disorder

    Welcome to Round 27 of the Villainous Competition!

    Previous Competitions
    Round One: Leader of Armies
    Round Two: Nature's Revenger
    Round Three: Double Agent
    Round Four: Grave Keeper
    Round Five: Crime Lord
    Round Six: Ultimate Predator
    Round Seven: Wicked Witch
    Round Eight: Master of the Tundra
    Round Nine: The Power of Villainous Thinking
    Round Ten: Henchman Are Villains Too
    Round Eleven: The Higher They Rise The Harder They Fall
    Round Twelve: Power Comes at a Price
    Round Thirteen: The Gadgeteer - You Are Not Batman
    Round Fourteen: The Thing That Should Not Be
    Round Fifteen: The Horsemen Are Drawing Nearer
    Round Sixteen: Burn Baby Burn
    Round Seventeen: It's Alive!
    Round Eighteen: This is Heresy
    Round Nineteen: He Slimed Me!
    Round Twenty: Elder Evil
    Round Twenty-One: Yarr!
    Round Twenty-Two: I Am The Night!
    Round Twenty-Three: Two Heads Are Better Than One!
    Round Twenty-Four: Wrong For The Right Reasons!
    Round Twenty-Five: Keeper of the Gate
    Round Twenty-Six: Get In MY BELLY (Swallow Whole)

    We're a little different than most of the optimization threads. We run on CR instead of ECL.

    Contestants:
    You will need to present a write-up of your build with at least one of the following points: 5 CR,
    10 CR 15 CR, 20 CR, and a "sweet spot" that you feel is the high point of the build, as well as presenting a
    fully-fleshed out 20 CR build in the table below. Feel free to present as many of these as you like, and
    please give a rundown of the build's abilities and playability at all of the levels you didn't show. The rules
    are as follows:

    Secret Laboratory:
    Competitors will be free to use any official 1st party (WotC) 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds.
    Dragon Compendium is allowed, but Dragon magazine is disallowed. Unearthed Arcana is
    allowed. Unupdated 3.0 materials, as well as web exclusives by WotC are expressly allowed, but take
    care to verify that an updated version did not appear in print elsewhere, as this may cause an Elegance
    deduction at the judges' discretion. Alternate rule systems from UA such as gestalt or Generic Classes
    are not allowed, as they create a different playing field. Item Familiars and Taint are also banned from
    the competition. Leadership and all similar abilities are banned for sanity reasons.
    Builds that are fully monstrous are allowed at no penalty. All class levels are to be added on as
    associated class levels.

    Elite array (15, 14, 13, 12, 10, 8) is the assumed ability score generation method.
    Some monstrous characters can technically qualify for Epic feats as soon as their ECL is over 20. While
    regular Epic feats will be allowed, Epic Spellcasting and all other Epic feats that affect spells, psionic
    powers, or item creation are not permitted. Including these would give an unfair advantage over
    standard characters. For Incarnum characters, Epic Open Chakra feats are allowed; other Epic Incarnum
    feats are not. The Essentia Capacity increases for Epic capacity as described on p. 212. For all characters,
    please note that Racial Hit Dice do not count towards Epic Progression; use the regular progression even
    if the BAB ends up higher than 20.
    Deadlines:

    Contestants will have until 23:59 GMT Sunday June 17th to create their builds and PM them to
    the Supreme Chancellor. Builds will then be posted simultaneously, to avoid copying. Judges will have
    until 23:59 GMT Mondayh July 2nd to judge the builds and submit their scores. If no judges have
    scored by that point, only the scores of the first judge to submit will be counted. Deadlines are
    subject to extension as/if required.


    Judging:
    Judging will be based on the following criteria, with each build rated on a scale from 1 (very poor) to 5
    (exemplary) in each area: Originality, Build Elegance, Competence and Power, Memorable Villainy.
    Keep these questions in mind when judging each category:
    Originality - Is it unexpected?
    Build Elegance - Is it mechanically pretty?
    Competence and Power - Can it do what the concept asks of it? Is this a powerfully-built character?
    Memorable Villainy - Is this a villain with style? Will it be the BBEG players long to finally kill and then
    talk about for weeks?
    Unearthed Arcana can be penalized for elegance if the specific feature seems unnecessary or makes the
    playing field unfair (In this case, you can give a 1 if it makes the field unfair.)
    Power level is up to you. Cheese is acceptable, but should be kept to a sane level unless you're
    showcasing a new TO build you've discovered. As the Iron Chef competition states, a little cheddar can
    be nice, but avoid the mature Gruyere unless you're making a cheese fondue.
    You may not judge if you entered the contest, unless you withdraw your submission.
    Presentation:
    Builds will be posted anonymously, in order to avoid the potential of bias towards a particular
    competitor. For this reason, please don't put your name in the build, as I'm likely to miss it when
    reviewing the entries!


    Note:
    There is now a hard limit on two (2) entries per competitor.
    Using the table below, the easiest way to use it is to go to the top left of the private message, and click the little a/A icon. It allows you to see what you're writing.
    Due to concerns about standardizing entry format, I'd like everyone to try to use the following table for their entry.
    You can use the table below for Spells.
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    Speculation:
    Please don’t post or speculate on possible builds until the reveal, in order to avoid spoiling the surprise if
    a particular competitor is producing a build along those lines.
    Once builds are revealed, please do not comment on errors or rules issues on entries unless you are a
    judge. If you have such a comment, wait until the final reveal to post it.

    Get ready to share those Evil thoughts. This edition’s villain is:
    Multiple Personality Disorder
    WHAT AM I!?!


    Limitations
    • Other than base creature, MUST be almost entirely built using TEMPLATES
    • All Templates can be considered “Acquired” for THIS ROUND
    • Each applied Template will be a new CR entry on the build table, so build smart!
    • For the purposes of THIS ROUND, you may select multiple “Half-X” templates w/o concern for
      Racial requirements.
      My thought on the Half-X ruling is that in several of those, your parentage/lineage has to be for example " a good outsider and a humanoid". My intent is that you don't have to have either of those restrictions in THIS ROUND to take one of those templates and can stack as many on as you deem relevant.
    • Can only have a maximum of 2 class levels total. Of that must be 2 different classes entirely (i.e. an
      arcane and a divine, a caster and a martial, opposites!)
    • As almost always, must be evil in alignment.

    We will award 1st through 3rd places, and a possible Honorable Mention.
    So, start your evil plotting!

    Entry Description Level/Racial Breakdown Judge 1 Score Final Score Competitor
    The Hungering Swarm Cranium rats both empowered and driven mad by spiritual infection. CE Lost Mistling Wendigo Greater Cranium Rat Swarm Sorcerer 1/Barbarian 1 17.5 17.5 Falontani
    Green Fire Fire elemental that creates life using convoluted methods. NE Phrenic Half-Fiend Small Fire Elemental of Legacy and Xvim 17.0 17.0 TwoLegsArmchair
    Rukhsamun, the God-King Minor god who is immensely powerful in every way, with an aggressive scorpion alter-ego. NE Faerzess-Infused Half-Elemental Phantom Dark Phrenic Were-Devastation Scorpion Incarnate Awakened Black Sand Swordsage 1/Soul Eater 1 16.5 16.5 ben-zayb
    Ebony Dark’ness Dementia Raven Way Wizardry student obsessed with personal monstrous transformations. CE Evolved Spellstitched Monstrously Vampiric Half-Fey Half-Clay Golem Unseelie Lolth-Touched Dark Primordial Giant Half-Troll Half-Dragon Mineral Warrior Feral Corrupted by the Abyss Tainted One Amphibious Shadow Silverbrow Human of Xvim Spirit Lion Totem Barbarian 1 15.5 15.5 Venger
    The All-Devourer Fire-breathing, twenty-headed roc. N(?) Monstrous Twenty-Headed Lernean Roc of Legend 15.5 15.5 White Blade
    Orthos Glitterstorm Giant of mediocre talent who resorted to esoteric means of gaining power. NE Draconic Half-Fey Vampire Lord Cloud Giant Swordsage 1/Warlock 1 15.25 15.25 GrayDeath
    Bloodstar the Transfused Vampiric dragon overlord armed with strange magical powers. LE Evolved Vampiric Spellstitched Tundra Landwyrm of Xvim Dread Necromancer 1 13.5 13.5 Sejoran
    In, The Undead Laboratory Self-deconstructing-and-reconstructing Cadaver Golem. CE 7-Headed Swarm-Shifter Cadaver Golem 12.0 12.0 Jyp
    Submission:
    To standardize Entries, please use this format when sending it in:
    PM: Jdizzlean
    Subject: Villainous Competition 27, Name of your Entry
    For Revisions and disputes, do the same thing. It makes it easier for me finding the entries in my mail
    box.
    More questions? PM me with Villainous Competition 27 Questions in the header.
    Tips for submitting your entry, provided by Weaselguy:
    - Use capitalization and punctuation, correctly.
    - Make good use of Spoilers, for cleanliness.
    - Don't forget your sources. If it's something that can be found in the contents section, then book title
    seems to be fine. Obscure stuff, may want to include page number too.
    - DeviantArt has about 9 billion pictures that you can reference, I can almost guarantee you can find one
    there to fit your character.
    - Make good use of tables. In addition to the Build table and the Spells table, I like doing on e for my
    Ability Scores, just to keep it neat.
    - Do a build stub at the top of your Build Table, something like Wizard 2/Fighter 3/Abjurant Champion
    5/Eldritch Knight 10
    As always: let's keep it nice.
    I'll mention that again - LET'S KEEP IT NICE! Bickering, name calling and nasty comments on the entries
    or other forum members are not tolerated.

    New competition rule: if I feel an individual has been overly disruptive during the course of
    competition discussion, I will not be accepting and revealing any entries from that individual, and
    they will also not be allowed to judge. Any judging they enter will not be taken into account for the final
    tally.
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    It's sad that it had to come to this, but here's a list of permanently banned (from this
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    Novolin
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    More sources, more choices, more power. Welcome to D&D.
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    I mean, I have been assuming Jdizzlean looks like Nathan Fillion this whole time to start with...
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    Default Re: Villainous Competition XXVII - Multiple Personality Disorder

    Clarifications
    Unearthed Arcana variant rules are limited: The variant character options (such as Wildshape Ranger and Thug Fighter) should not be penalized. Flaws and traits may be penalized by judges, whereas item familiars, gestalt, alternate skill systems, alternate magic systems, alternate crafting rules, generic base classes, LA buyoff, fractional saves/BAB, and bloodlines are banned. Anything not mentioned here is up to individual judges.

    d20 Rokugan is not allowed material.

    The Dragon Magazine update for Oriental Adventures is in use.

    Leadership is banned. Any material that grants you leadership without you specifically taking it should be ignored and may not be traded away for another feat or ACF. Undead Leadership and Dragon Cohort are likewise banned. Wild Cohort and Obtain Familiar are allowed. If you are not sure if a specific feat violates the 'no leadership' rule, err on the side of caution, or ask me.

    However, Leadership may be taken to qualify for another feat or class (such as the Great Captain feat or Legendary Leader prestige class), though a character still doesn't get its usual benefit in those cases. This is to allow characters to access unproblematic material that'd otherwise be made unavailable
    because of the Leadership ban.

    On the subject of messaging the chair (me), a few guidelines:
    - I am not here to give critiques on your build or guess how the judges might score it!
    - For entries, please keep the entry to no more than 2 message, if at all possible.
    - For entries, don't expect me to search through your entry and edit in or out material. Entries should be
    sent to me complete - if there is a later revision, re-submit the full build. PLEASE DON'T INCLUDE TEXT IN
    YOUR SUBMISSION YOU WANT ME TO EDIT OUT FOR THE POST - SUBMIT IT TO ME EXACTLY HOW I WILL
    POST THE FINISHED PRODUCT.
    - Please make sure the name of your entry is clearly present in the message.


    Everyone, have fun!



    (sorry, the formatting on this is messed up, I will try to fix it later, no time right now :( )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nifft View Post
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    I mean, I have been assuming Jdizzlean looks like Nathan Fillion this whole time to start with...
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    Default Re: Villainous Competition XXVII - Multiple Personality Disorder

    Seems potentially rather Glass cannony :p

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    interesting theme; though adding so many templates can get weak without enough base HD to work with.

    I'm a bit confused abotu the theme, because multiple personality disorder and schizophrenia aren't the same thing. they're being mixed up here I think.
    A neat custom class for 3.5 system
    http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94616

    A good set of benchmarks for PF/3.5
    https://rpgwillikers.wordpress.com/2...y-the-numbers/

    An alternate craft point system I made for 3.5
    http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showt...t-Point-system

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    Default Re: Villainous Competition XXVII - Multiple Personality Disorder

    I may enter, but I will send a question to the chair before I decide.

    How do templates that you no longer meet the prerequisites work? Example: Natural Lycanthrope (humanoid or giant) becomes a Half Dragon (now a dragon)
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    I feel like telling the ghost of Gary Gygax to hold your beer is a good way to suddenly stop being the GM, but I have to admit that this would probably be remarkably effective. At what, I dunno, but effective.
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    I am continually astounded by how new you are here in contrast to how impressive your mind is.

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    Default Re: Villainous Competition XXVII - Multiple Personality Disorder

    Might I make a request?

    I really like the theme, but I'm concerned about the viability of any build that relies primarily on template power. If this is a competition that is meant to span multiple CR points (as is implicit in the demands of the challenges so far), then having a villain build almost entirely on templates and base HD won't see much of a progression. While I understand the idea behind the restrictions, I'm concerned that the entries will end up being incredibly lopsided in terms of Power and/or Elegance as a result. Therefore, I am asking that our Chair find another way of expressing this round's Theme other than template vs. class level use.

    If this isn't a popular decision and the competition round continues apace, I'll do my best to brew something up, but I'm not optimistic about my ability to see it through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeno Desaqqara View Post
    You divine bastard.
    Currently Running:
    - Tales of Neutral Ground
    - Skull & Shackles

    Winner of Total War: Rise of Kingdoms (Ironfang Republic)


    "The philosophers have only interpreted the world in various ways; the point is to change it."

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    Wow that's a very original theme. I'll have to see if I can find some stuff that fits together
    fight my brute! it's a lot of fun
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    Default Re: Villainous Competition XXVII - Multiple Personality Disorder

    I'd rather we at least have to qualify for each template at the point it's applied. For example Half-Dragon Natural Lycanthrope okay, but Afflicted Lycanthrope Half-Dragon no.

    I have an immediate thought, but I'm not sure I want to use it yet for various reasons.

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    Sir Driscoll Conia - Silver - IC L

    Nick Snarespan - Gold - IC LIII

    Lucy "Legs" Silvertail - Bronze - IC LXVIII

    Bolfarg of Knoss - Gold - IC LXXVII

    Ivarr Deathborn - Bronze - IC LXXVII

    Ahmtel - Silver - IC LXXVIII

    Tocke of Nessus - Gold - IC LXXIX

    The Blessed Third - Silver - IC LXXXI

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    [*]All Templates can be considered “Applied” for THIS ROUND
    What do you mean by 'Applied'? There isn't any such thing as an 'Applied' template other than insofar all templates are 'Applied' to a base creature.

    Or do you mean 'Acquired'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zlefin View Post
    I'm a bit confused abotu the theme, because multiple personality disorder and schizophrenia aren't the same thing. they're being mixed up here I think.
    Completely true. My mother had acute schizophrenia, and when people found out they would often ask "Oh, so she has multiple personalities?". The misinformation in the public space around mental health issues is a concern: Hollywood and TV certainly don't help, in most cases.




    Quote Originally Posted by TwoLegsArmchair View Post
    What do you mean by 'Applied'? There isn't any such thing as an 'Applied' template other than insofar all templates are 'Applied' to a base creature.

    Or do you mean 'Acquired'?
    I'm assuming acquired, but I'm sure the chair will clarify.




    Hmm, interesting and challenging theme. I have an idea or two.

    If I don't get an entry in, I'll try to commit to judging.

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    Just a note Schizophrenia and Disassociative Identity Disorder (MPD's proper name) are actually quite different things. That said, I think could be a really interesting theme and look forward to the entries.
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    Ouch, this round will have the most elegance penalties ever!

    This round is mechanically weird enough that I'm really tempted to give it a shot...

    EDIT: A bit confused with the Half-X ruling. Half-X templates really don't have a type or race limits AFAIK. Do you then mean the part we can ignore is where the base creature has to be living or corporeal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zlefin View Post
    interesting theme; though adding so many templates can get weak without enough base HD to work with.

    I'm a bit confused abotu the theme, because multiple personality disorder and schizophrenia aren't the same thing. they're being mixed up here I think.
    Quote Originally Posted by TerrickTerran View Post
    Just a note Schizophrenia and Disassociative Identity Disorder (MPD's proper name) are actually quite different things. That said, I think could be a really interesting theme and look forward to the entries.
    schiz·o·phre·ni·a
    ˌskitsəˈfrēnēə,ˌskitsəˈfrenēə/
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    noun: schizophrenia
    a long-term mental disorder of a type involving a breakdown in the relation between thought, emotion, and behavior, leading to faulty perception, inappropriate actions and feelings, withdrawal from reality and personal relationships into fantasy and delusion, and a sense of mental fragmentation.

    Dissociative identity disorder, formerly referred to as multiple personality disorder, is a condition wherein a person's identity is fragmented into two or more distinct personality states.

    Yes, they are different things, but they do have a commonality between them.



    Quote Originally Posted by Falontani View Post
    I may enter, but I will send a question to the chair before I decide.

    How do templates that you no longer meet the prerequisites work? Example: Natural Lycanthrope (humanoid or giant) becomes a Half Dragon (now a dragon)
    That would probably incur elegance penalties from a judge. As stated, build smartly!

    Quote Originally Posted by 3SecondCultist View Post
    Might I make a request?

    I really like the theme, but I'm concerned about the viability of any build that relies primarily on template power. If this is a competition that is meant to span multiple CR points (as is implicit in the demands of the challenges so far), then having a villain build almost entirely on templates and base HD won't see much of a progression. While I understand the idea behind the restrictions, I'm concerned that the entries will end up being incredibly lopsided in terms of Power and/or Elegance as a result. Therefore, I am asking that our Chair find another way of expressing this round's Theme other than template vs. class level use.
    Traditionally, templates are seen as not a good trade off to class levels. In this round, your progression is almost entirely template based. This forces you to pick goodish/er options to use to advance the build's concept. I can think of at least 1 template that is game-breaking in power just off the top of my sleep deprived head. You might not have HD progression depending on what you choose as your base, but in this round, more-so than ever before, I think that base choice is more inherently important to the overall build.



    Quote Originally Posted by ben-zayb View Post
    Ouch, this round will have the most elegance penalties ever!

    This round is mechanically weird enough that I'm really tempted to give it a shot...

    EDIT: A bit confused with the Half-X ruling. Half-X templates really don't have a type or race limits AFAIK. Do you then mean the part we can ignore is where the base creature has to be living or corporeal?
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    I'd rather we at least have to qualify for each template at the point it's applied. For example Half-Dragon Natural Lycanthrope okay, but Afflicted Lycanthrope Half-Dragon no.
    My thought on the Half-X ruling is that in several of those, your parentage/lineage has to be for example " a good outsider and a humanoid". My intent is that you don't have to have either of those restrictions in THIS ROUND to take one of those templates and can stack as many on as you deem relevant. This ties in with the theme, and opens up more options so that we don't end up with duplicate builds. As always, if it doesn't make sense, or is blatant power grabbing, you'll be penalized for it. But that is up to your justification and the judge's interpretation. Beyond that specific ruling, you still must qualify for things when you take them, as always.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoLegsArmchair View Post
    What do you mean by 'Applied'? There isn't any such thing as an 'Applied' template other than insofar all templates are 'Applied' to a base creature.

    Or do you mean 'Acquired'?

    yes, acquired is what i meant. sorry, sometimes my fingers/mouth are faster than the old brain pan. If you should wish to use a template that is only inherited, it can in fact be used as acquired for this round, that's what i meant to say.
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    they may have a commonality, but they remain quite distinct things that should not be conflated.
    the way you have them listed makes it seem like they're the same, so you should change that.
    we don't want to perpetuated falsehoods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falontani View Post
    I may enter, but I will send a question to the chair before I decide.

    How do templates that you no longer meet the prerequisites work? Example: Natural Lycanthrope (humanoid or giant) becomes a Half Dragon (now a dragon)
    Quote Originally Posted by jdizzlean View Post
    That would probably incur elegance penalties from a judge. As stated, build smartly!
    Isn't that completely legal, though? As long as the templates are applied in the right order, with Half-Dragon coming after Lycanthrope.

    If later becoming ineligible for a template causes you to lose it, there would be all sorts of problems with type-changing templates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zlefin View Post
    they may have a commonality, but they remain quite distinct things that should not be conflated.
    the way you have them listed makes it seem like they're the same, so you should change that.
    we don't want to perpetuated falsehoods.
    As much as I hate dragging down thread flow with debates about real-world issues, I agree 100%.

    As with the example I gave of my mother, it's really better not to conflate these two very distinct mental health issues, even if there are some commonalities.

    I also feel obliged to add that professionally diagnosed and confirmed multiple personality disorder is exceedingly rare; sadly, schizophrenia is nowhere near as rare. Hollywood/TV tend to mysticize and sometimes romanticize MPD, while schizophrenics are often depicted as generic "crazies" that talk to themselves.

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    in the interest then of efficiency, and to cut down on 500 revisions, give me the wording that expresses the same sentiment but uses different words that won't offend. I'd like to move past this asap.
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    just remove the line with schizophrenia and replace it with multiple personality disorder. that should be good enough I think.

    If you want something ideal, I'd change the entire title to not use any mental disorder at all. just use the "What am I?" line you already have. use that as the title and use it again where it already is in the description (again deleting the line which says schizophrenia). in point of fact I think it's just plain better that way anyways, as it's more consistent with the naming style used in prior competitions.
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    That is ....weird.

    Just to make sure I understand, the IDea is a build like this:

    Base Creature (Say Mosnter 10 HD), 5 Templates with CR +1 or 2, 2 CLass Levels of totally different Classes.

    WHile Templates have to be aquired in the "legal" Order, all are considered Aquired Templates for the Contest, and for once Template Stacking is not meant to be penalized in Elegance?


    Huh boy, talk about different....
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    • All Templates can be considered “Acquired” for THIS ROUND
    • Each applied Template will be a new CR entry on the build table, so build smart!
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      Racial requirements.
    • Can only have a maximum of 2 class levels total. Of that must be 2 different classes entirely (i.e. an
      arcane and a divine, a caster and a martial, opposites!)
    • As almost always, must be evil in alignment.
    I am assuming that we can not advance their RHD at all, but I figured I'd ask.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrayDeath View Post
    That is ....weird.

    Just to make sure I understand, the IDea is a build like this:

    Base Creature (Say Mosnter 10 HD), 5 Templates with CR +1 or 2, 2 CLass Levels of totally different Classes.

    WHile Templates have to be aquired in the "legal" Order, all are considered Aquired Templates for the Contest, and for once Template Stacking is not meant to be penalized in Elegance?


    Huh boy, talk about different....
    told you this round would be a doozy :) Next one will be a return to more "traditional" villains... sort of :p

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    I am assuming that we can not advance their RHD at all, but I figured I'd ask.
    you can do anything you want w/in the rules of the system and the limitations of this round :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by zlefin View Post
    just remove the line with schizophrenia and replace it with multiple personality disorder. that should be good enough I think.
    Agreed.

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    I am assuming that we can not advance their RHD at all, but I figured I'd ask.
    Well, that was my plan, but it's public now, so Vizzini may strike!

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    Well, that was my plan, but it's public now, so Vizzini may strike!
    Sorry! Didn't mean to mess with your plan!
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    I feel like telling the ghost of Gary Gygax to hold your beer is a good way to suddenly stop being the GM, but I have to admit that this would probably be remarkably effective. At what, I dunno, but effective.
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    I think I shall have to enter this.

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    Sorry! Didn't mean to mess with your plan!
    No problemo, just messing around.

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    Well, the Chair did not contradict any of my assumptions, so if I find the time, I will enter this time.

    This is actually almost exactly the setup I wanted to do for quite some time...


    Only question as above remains: To detail: Can we advance racial HD?

    If yes: Any way normally possible? Is there a Limited number of additional HD?
    Or just something like "If you want more HD; take the bigger version" for monsters who have a "bigger version"?

    If not, that removes a part of the concept, not only for me going by Thurbanes post. ^^
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    to reiterate anything that is rules legal, and within the limitations you can do, the rest is up to the judges to sort out :)
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    I have too many ideas for this. It will be hard to narrow it down to only one or two.

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    having a great time building for this round. can't wait to see what everyone else has in mind.
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