Schlock Mercenary VIII: insAIne in the mAInfrAIme

[halfeye]

I think I tend toward the "they were to rich to need to work, so the author made them broke because the story needs them working" view of the current situation. It's unfortunate, but that seems to be the situation we have.

[keybounce]

Hey, Schlock might be a little smarter than we expected.

Or, would that be Wisdom? Knowing the words should be there, without knowing the words themselves.

[The Glyphstone]

So is the voice that MiniChinook listens to CrazyChinook? The font seems to indicate so, but it's a little unclear.

[sihnfahl]

So is the voice that MiniChinook listens to CrazyChinook? The font seems to indicate so, but it's a little unclear.

IceboxChinook listened to Ennesby. Ran instead of holding still like CrazyChinook wanted. If IceboxChinook listened to CrazyChinook, it would have been blown up.

[Doran]

So is the voice that MiniChinook listens to CrazyChinook? The font seems to indicate so, but it's a little unclear.

It's Ennesby - it is unclear, but his speech bubble is connected to run behind the panels of the other two.

[HandofShadows]

Ennesby is the only familiar voice. IceBox Chinook didn't even recognize the crazy version of her which shows how messed up they are.

[The Glyphstone]

Ah, I see the bubble connector now. Thanks.

[Max_Killjoy]

So is the voice that MiniChinook listens to CrazyChinook? The font seems to indicate so, but it's a little unclear.

Wasn't CrazyChinook saying "stand still"? I think Crazy is trying to wipe out all the remaining "pre-Oafan-Hardware-memory-edit" copies.

I think Enesby was the one telling her to RUN, he was the one who was trying to warn her that her position was compromised, and if anyone would be a familiar voice it would be him. CrazyChinook isn't CrazyTAGII, and the Oafan AI is from post-wakeup.

[Drascin]

Hey, Schlock might be a little smarter than we expected.

Or, would that be Wisdom? Knowing the words should be there, without knowing the words themselves.

Well, he's eaten enough smart people that he might have absorbed some vocabulary .

[sihnfahl]

Wasn't CrazyChinook saying "stand still"? I think Crazy is trying to wipe out all the remaining "pre-Oafan-Hardware-memory-edit" copies.

And for good reason; the Oafans could use those to force the outcome they wanted. Crazy wants to be destroyed or freed. Crazy knows they won't free, and the Oafans took care not to destroy, and instead went for capture. That leaves option 3 ... using a backup to force a recovery.

Which is what Ennesby is trying for. The, erm, 'legal guardians' in Crazy's case are the Toughs. Kind of like when a mental patient refuses to comply with treatment. It's a whole lot easier when a legal guardian allows a doctor to treat against the patient's wishes...

[Ibrinar]

I think the legal guardian is the still sane copy it could be considered next of kin.

[sihnfahl]

I think the legal guardian is the still sane copy it could be considered next of kin.

Putzho has it as Ennesby and the Toughs.

And technically, the sane copy IS Chinook. Just ... a younger, not-insane version. I don't think next-of-kin covers 'same person, different personality'.

[Max_Killjoy]

If the Oafans have CrazyChinook contained, then are these current messages and long-gun shots coming from remote copies that were overwritten during updates before CrazyChinook was contained?

Also, I wonder if "icebox" Chinooks can't be overwritten, just updated with new data -- and if that's why CrazyChinook(s) are trying to destroy them.

[Willie the Duck]

Putzho has it as Ennesby and the Toughs.

And technically, the sane copy IS Chinook. Just ... a younger, not-insane version. I don't think next-of-kin covers 'same person, different personality'.

Hard to say what the intervening legal opinions will be, once that becomes possible.

[sihnfahl]

If the Oafans have CrazyChinook contained, then are current these messages and long-gun shots coming from remote copies that were overwritten during updates before CrazyChinook was contained?

Yep. Chinook sent out a bunch of long guns and spotters.

Hard to say what the intervening legal opinions will be, once that becomes possible.

Okay, which legal body would have jurisdiction over the Oafans?

[Willie the Duck]

Okay, which legal body would have jurisdiction over the Oafans?

The Oafans appear to be working under a rule of the gun system, but we are discussing the term 'next of kin' in the first place, which means they are sticking with some kind of legal framework. It appears that there is some galaxy-wide body of legal work that conveniently maps to our 'Earthian' legal system. Given that we currently don't have any precedent-setting situations where someone could be 'same person, different personality' (I guess written medical directives for what to do when a person later is without autonomy), it is an untested legal domain here now in real life.

[sihnfahl]

but we are discussing the term 'next of kin' in the first place, which means they are sticking with some kind of legal framework.

Their own? They ARE a society with a lot of AI, which probably gives them 'personhood' rather than a possession.

It appears that there is some galaxy-wide body of legal work that conveniently maps to our 'Earthian' legal system.

Not necessarily; see above. And your scenario would require something we haven't been shown; the Oafans going to that legal body and agreeing to be a signatory and acceding to the jurisdiction of said legal system.

The only method to enforce said laws on a non-signatory is by force of arms...

Oh, and ... how did they ask the UNS for their ship back? Not a legal appeal ... 'hey, look, you're completely outnumbered here'.

[Willie the Duck]

Oh, and ... how did they ask the UNS for their ship back? Not a legal appeal ... 'hey, look, you're completely outnumbered here'.

Yes, we got it. Everyone is well aware that they are using rule of extensive military might. It's been all we've discussed for the past 2-3 weeks. I even alluded to it. I don't know why that's relevant to the current discussion.

My point is they are asking for decisions made by Chinook's "next of kin," which is an Earthian legal concept, or one that maps to a legal framework conveniently similar to ours. Our own (IRL) framework, however, does not have an established precedent for 'same person, different personality,' since we don't have anything like that.

[Lizard Lord]

To be fair Putzho was the one to mention next of kin. The Oafans never said anything about it.

[smuchmuch]

Also, I wonder if "icebox" Chinooks can't be overwritten, just updated with new data -- and if that's why CrazyChinook(s) are trying to destroy them.

It might be. It might alsop that they can but only if they accept to synchronize long enough. (which they afre unlikely to do as not only there's two other voices telling her not to but also because apparently crazy chinnok doesn't register as a 'familiar voice'). So crazy chinook is not taking any chance and jsut wipping them out. (And I think the the reasont she's doing that are wiping them out is that because they seem to be in oafan warships hulls , making them long guns wich she doesn't recognize at being part of 'her' anymore.)

[Lizard Lord]

To be fair Putzho was the one to mention next of kin. The Oafans never said anything about it.

And the comic right after I make this post counters it. I guess "next of kin" is an oafan custom for similar reasons as to why it is a human custom.

[Narkis]

And the ancient Oafans provide yet more reasons to dislike them. I didn't think that was possible.

[guttering flame]

Yes, we got it. Everyone is well aware that they are using rule of extensive military might. It's been all we've discussed for the past 2-3 weeks. I even alluded to it. I don't know why that's relevant to the current discussion.

My point is they are asking for decisions made by Chinook's "next of kin," which is an Earthian legal concept, or one that maps to a legal framework conveniently similar to ours. Our own (IRL) framework, however, does not have an established precedent for 'same person, different personality,' since we don't have anything like that.

there are people who suffer from degenerative (mental) diseases who try to dictate what happens to their future selves after they can no longer make legal decisions. The Law doesn't respect those wishes usually though.

[Willie the Duck]

there are people who suffer from degenerative (mental) diseases who try to dictate what happens to their future selves after they can no longer make legal decisions. The Law doesn't respect those wishes usually though.

You mean like I mentioned here?:

I guess written medical directives for what to do when a person later is without autonomy

[Psionic Dog]

Speaking of Oafeans, debt, and motivation... does anyone remember reading this strip before?
https://www.schlockmercenary.com/2018-07-22

Somehow I completely missed it on my original daily new-comic reading and it provides most of the abridging context between the introduction to the ancient Oafan and the introduction of their debt collector fleet. How Chinnook was contained, why there are lots of Chinnook fragments still running around shooting stuff, why Putzho now has a new font, etc.

Just curious if I'm the only one who missed it or if the server was down that day.

[HandofShadows]

Don't mind at all to see the old Ofan's get shown they aren't as smart as they think they are.

[sihnfahl]

Don't mind at all to see the old Ofan's get shown they aren't as smart as they think they are.

That's not a factor of intelligence, IMO.

They're erring on the side of caution. They were only wakened post-crazy. They have no frame of reference of the original Chinook's behavior. So they're going to do the 'contain things NOW' approach.

[Max_Killjoy]

Chinook is back, too.


I don't think the awakened Oafans quite yet grasp that they're dealing with a small group of AI and AI-like entities that range from brilliant to off-the-scale in terms of smarts, and for most of them a long history of working together.

(Ennesby, Chinook, Petey, Cindy, and now Putzho, and I think I'm forgetting one.)

[sihnfahl]

(Ennesby, Chinook, Petey, Cindy, and now Putzho, and I think I'm forgetting one.)

LOTA is still out there.

[Rockphed]

LOTA is still out there.

LOTA is too impressive for your puny collaboration.