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    Just needed this in a game, and thought I'd post it.

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    Level WBL
    21 975000
    22 1200000
    23 1500000
    24 1800000
    25 2100000
    26 2500000
    27 2900000
    28 3300000
    29 3800000
    30 4300000
    31 4800000
    32 5400000
    33 6000000
    34 6600000
    35 7400000
    36 8200000
    37 9200000
    38 10200000
    39 11400000
    40 12600000
    41 14200000
    42 16200000
    43 18600000
    44 21800000
    45 26600000
    46 34600000
    47 49000000
    48 76200000
    49 141800000
    50 322600000
    51 849000000
    52 2412200000
    53 7085800000
    54 21090600000
    55 63089000000
    56 189068200000
    57 566989800000
    58 1700738600000
    59 5101969000000
    60 15305644200000
    61 45916653800000
    62 137749666600000
    63 413248689000000
    64 1239745740200000
    65 3719236877800000
    66 11157710274600000
    67 33473130449000000
    68 100419390956200000
    69 301258172461800000
    70 903774516962600000
    71 2711323550449000000
    72 8133970650892200000
    73 24401911952205800000
    74 73205735856130600000
    75 2.19617207567889E+20
    76 6.58851622703148E+20
    77 1.97655486810891E+21
    78 5.92966460432618E+21
    79 1.7788993812978E+22
    80 5.33669814389333E+22
    81 1.60100944316799E+23
    82 4.80302832950398E+23
    83 1.44090849885119E+24
    84 4.32272549655358E+24
    85 1.29681764896607E+25
    86 3.89045294689822E+25
    87 1.16713588406947E+26
    88 3.5014076522084E+26
    89 1.05042229566252E+27
    90 3.15126688698756E+27
    91 9.45380066096267E+27
    92 2.8361401982888E+28
    93 8.5084205948664E+28
    94 2.55252617845992E+29
    95 7.65757853537976E+29
    96 2.29727356061393E+30
    97 6.89182068184179E+30
    98 2.06754620455254E+31
    99 6.20263861365761E+31
    100 1.86079158409728E+32
    101 5.58237475229185E+32
    102 1.67471242568755E+33
    103 5.02413727706266E+33
    104 1.5072411831188E+34
    105 4.5217235493564E+34
    106 1.35651706480692E+35
    107 4.06955119442076E+35
    108 1.22086535832623E+36
    109 3.66259607497868E+36
    110 1.0987788224936E+37
    111 3.29633646748081E+37
    112 9.88900940244244E+37
    113 2.96670282073273E+38
    114 8.90010846219819E+38
    115 2.67003253865946E+39
    116 8.01009761597837E+39
    117 2.40302928479351E+40
    118 7.20908785438054E+40
    119 2.16272635631416E+41
    120 6.48817906894248E+41
    121 1.94645372068274E+42
    122 5.83936116204823E+42
    123 1.75180834861447E+43
    124 5.25542504584341E+43
    125 1.57662751375302E+44
    126 4.72988254125907E+44
    127 1.41896476237772E+45
    128 4.25689428713316E+45
    129 1.27706828613995E+46
    130 3.83120485841985E+46
    131 1.14936145752595E+47
    132 3.44808437257786E+47
    133 1.03442531177336E+48
    134 3.10327593532008E+48
    135 9.30982780596023E+48
    136 2.79294834178807E+49
    137 8.37884502536421E+49
    138 2.51365350760926E+50
    139 7.54096052282779E+50
    140 2.26228815684834E+51
    141 6.78686447054501E+51
    142 2.0360593411635E+52
    143 6.10817802349051E+52
    144 1.83245340704715E+53
    145 5.49736022114146E+53
    146 1.64920806634244E+54
    147 4.94762419902731E+54
    148 1.48428725970819E+55
    149 4.45286177912458E+55
    150 1.33585853373737E+56
    151 4.00757560121212E+56
    152 1.20227268036364E+57
    153 3.60681804109091E+57
    154 1.08204541232727E+58
    155 3.24613623698182E+58


    Credit to Samduke for showing the WBL table in the DMG pg209 that goes up to 40th.

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    So I fixed it, and found an interesting formula, which i extrapolated to level 155
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    Can I invest that all into a single item and have that be my character?
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    Seriously, once you get up into those levels, wealth of that sort should be almost pathetically irrelevant. Whoever heard of a god with a bank account?
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    I like it, but ... does paying the monsters to simply go away still net me xp?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lylsyly View Post
    I like it, but ... does paying the monsters to simply go away still net me xp?

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    Well XP is about overcoming challenges not about killing monsters, even if you payed them you overcame that challenge so you would. Now I want make an epic level character who became epic just by paying monsters to piss off and has never fought in his life yet is the most powerful humanoid.
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    I don't have the ELH in front of me. Is this ripped from there or did you actually find the formula?
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    Somehow, 150 million gold seems small for someone with 110 levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelb_Panthera View Post
    I don't have the ELH in front of me. Is this ripped from there or did you actually find the formula?
    Methinks he found/calculated the formula. I don't have the MIC in front of me, so I can't really check his work...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BelGareth View Post
    Ditto these.

    Also, WBl for this level is 11,100,000 gp.

    I extrapolated the table from the MiC.

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    Level WBL Difference Increase every 3 levels
    20 760000
    21 975000 215000
    22 1200000 225000
    23 1500000 300000
    24 1800000 300000 0
    25 2100000 300000 0
    26 2500000 400000 100000
    27 2900000 400000 0
    28 3300000 400000 0
    29 3800000 500000 100000
    30 4300000 500000 0
    31 4800000 500000 0
    32 5400000 600000 100000
    33 6000000 600000
    34 6600000 600000
    35 7300000 700000 100000
    36 8000000 700000
    37 8700000 700000
    38 9500000 800000 100000
    39 10300000 800000
    40 11100000 800000
    41 12000000 900000 100000
    42 12900000 900000
    43 13800000 900000
    44 14800000 1000000 100000
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelb_Panthera View Post
    I don't have the ELH in front of me. Is this ripped from there or did you actually find the formula?
    Someone pointed out that the DMG has a table to 40th level, which has a decremental formula, which I updated mine with. So it's a rip, and then an extrapolation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ezekielraiden View Post
    Somehow, 150 million gold seems small for someone with 110 levels.
    I changed it, now a level 110 gets: 10,987,788,224,936,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

    I think that is 10 Undecillion
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    Quote Originally Posted by BelGareth View Post
    Just needed this in a game, and thought I'd post it.


    So I fixed it, and found an interesting formula, which i extrapolated to level 155
    What was the formula?
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    The chart looks a lot more believable now than it did before.

    Fantasy Fortune magazine is asking characters to submit their current net worth in order to be considered for inclusion in this year's top 100 richest Epic PCs...but I am having trouble figuring out the conversion for some of my assets. Does anyone know the best method to calculate the market value of three worlds, a demiplane, and a dozen pocket dimensions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshuaZ View Post
    What was the formula?
    I'm not great with math, but I'm fine with Excel.

    Basically, I plugged in the amounts, and then found the difference between levels. Did that again, and found the increment only changed by a static number every 3 levels. In this instance 10k at levels 26, 29, ad 32.

    This then doubled, AND the spread changed from 9 to 6. (levels 35, 37, and 39)

    So following that sequence, the spread changed from 6 to 3 (with another double), and then it doubled in a spread of 1. (level 44)

    From there I calculated how many factors I should multiply each level by, with formula based off a .33/3 for each level. =ROUNDDOWN((1-K26)/0.33,0) k26 being the .33 at first, and then .11, and so on. (basically ended up a multiplier of 3 for each level after level 49. So at each level from 49th onwards, the amount it increased by was multiplied by 3.

    I'm sure thats as clear as mud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BelGareth View Post
    I'm not great with math, but I'm fine with Excel.

    Basically, I plugged in the amounts, and then found the difference between levels. Did that again, and found the increment only changed by a static number every 3 levels. In this instance 10k at levels 26, 29, ad 32.

    This then doubled, AND the spread changed from 9 to 6. (levels 35, 37, and 39)

    So following that sequence, the spread changed from 6 to 3 (with another double), and then it doubled in a spread of 1. (level 44)

    From there I calculated how many factors I should multiply each level by, with formula based off a .33/3 for each level. =ROUNDDOWN((1-K26)/0.33,0) k26 being the .33 at first, and then .11, and so on. (basically ended up a multiplier of 3 for each level after level 49. So at each level from 49th onwards, the amount it increased by was multiplied by 3.

    I'm sure thats as clear as mud.
    No, that's very clear. And that also suggests that your initial claim about being not great with math but fine with Excel isn't accurate; you just are used to doing math using Excel.
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    Really, being good at math almost always means knowing what software to make do the math for you anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BelGareth View Post
    I changed it, now a level 110 gets: 10,987,788,224,936,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

    I think that is 10 Undecillion
    Correct. Probably rounded up to 11 undecillion, since that's literally a gain of .1% over the actual value.

    Makes me wonder how many Earth masses that pile of platinum pieces would be.

    Edit: Well, I don't know about platinum, but at 50 gp = 454 grams, 11 undecillion gp = over 50,000 solar masses, meaning you've got a supermassive black hole. Impressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ezekielraiden View Post
    Edit: Well, I don't know about platinum, but at 50 gp = 454 grams, 11 undecillion gp = over 50,000 solar masses, meaning you've got a supermassive black hole. Impressive.
    Well then seemingly at level 110 even a commoner is relevant in combat because I'm pretty sure its hard to beat a supermassive blackhole in raw destructive power without pun pun like crap.

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    Ok, since no one else seems to care, I'm gonna be the one to ask why did you need a wbl table that goes to lvl 155?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arael666 View Post
    Ok, since no one else seems to care, I'm gonna be the one to ask why did you need a wbl table that goes to lvl 155?
    Why wouldn't you need one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ezekielraiden View Post
    Correct. Probably rounded up to 11 undecillion, since that's literally a gain of .1% over the actual value.

    Makes me wonder how many Earth masses that pile of platinum pieces would be.

    Edit: Well, I don't know about platinum, but at 50 gp = 454 grams, 11 undecillion gp = over 50,000 solar masses, meaning you've got a supermassive black hole. Impressive.
    That's only a black hole if the radius is small enough. With 50,000 solar masses that's a Schwarzschild radius of around 10,000 km, so as long as you keep it reasonably spread out to start with you are fine.

    Edit: Also, in practice most of one's wealth would probably be in non-platinum coins, like hyperexpensive but very small magic items.
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    If you actually equip a 40th level character per the chart in the book, you still don't actually have enough gold to just go get one of everything from the ELH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNightstalker View Post
    If you actually equip a 40th level character per the chart in the book, you still don't actually have enough gold to just go get one of everything from the ELH.
    Which is fine, 'cause the vast majority of the ELH items are pretty lame, severely overpriced for what they do, or both. You do however have more than enough money to go buy one of virtually every non-Epic item, which will probably work out stronger in the end (even with the extra surcharges for cramming things into combined slots or custom slotless items.) The only Epic things you really need, IMO, is a suitably high base bonused weapon if you're a hitting-things type, a +whateveryoucanafford item for your main stat and Con (Epic Spellcasting does this soooo much better if it's in play, mind) and several rods of Excellent Magic to sub for XP costs for Epic Spells. I suppose an Epic Cloak of Resistance at whatever level is left over would also be a good idea, but really you just want to be immune to everything that matters at that point rather than risk rolling saves at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshuaZ View Post
    That's only a black hole if the radius is small enough. With 50,000 solar masses that's a Schwarzschild radius of around 10,000 km, so as long as you keep it reasonably spread out to start with you are fine.

    Edit: Also, in practice most of one's wealth would probably be in non-platinum coins, like hyperexpensive but very small magic items.
    I'm sorry to disappoint you, but you are dreadfully wrong. Order of magnitude wrong:
    https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?...0+solar+masses

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    Quote Originally Posted by martixy View Post
    I'm sorry to disappoint you, but you are dreadfully wrong. Order of magnitude wrong:
    https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?...0+solar+masses
    Oof yeah. Estimating that in my head was a bad move.
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