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    New comic is up.
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    WOW. I am in absolute awe at this twist

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    And the winning bet is "Cat activates the protection against evil clasp"!

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    OH MY GOD

    The question is...if Durkon retakes control, does Belkar not recognize it and try to kill him anyway?
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    I'm shaking. I just forcibly exhaled after holding my breath for way too long.

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    Ha ha! Brilliant! Brilliant! Absolutely nailed it! Perfection!


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    OH MY GOD

    The question is...if Durkon retakes control, does Belkar not recognize it and try to kill him anyway?
    He might, but the Anti-Life shell buys some time, which is enough for Durkon to undo his domination and free/heal the others, and then willingly drop down and let Belkar stake him. It probably won't happen exactly like that, but maybe close.
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    I havenít felt this good after a comic since the last time Belkar snapped out of his incapacitation at Old Blind Peteís house.

    Thatís a lot of dwarves to count for my tally, though.

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    So this is what everything's been leading up to.
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    This isn't a web comic.

    We need a new word for it.

    You don't see there is an update to a "web comic" on your phone, then decide NOT to read it because you want to read it in full-size on your laptop. THEN decide to wait again because you want to buy a special lunch that day to read it over.

    This is something else entirely. Thank you Rich!
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    Oh. My. God. Made a rough day much better.
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    Wow. That was incredible.
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    This also certainly puts into perspective what happened to Malack. Did he go through the same epiphany as Greg and actually was the same person in undeath as he was in life? Or is it getting all the memories at once after an overload of feelings that breaks the vampire spirit?

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    I don't think the rodeo is over just yet though. Pretty sure Belkar is going to off the newly liberated Durkon. It's too tragically perfect to not happen

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    oh my

    oh my

    oh my

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    Oh no!!!!!

    My favourite vampire :c

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    First I was thinking 'somebody's been watching The Crow...'

    Then I kept reading, and just...just damn. That was powerful. Shut that cynical head-voice of mine right down.

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    I've always been impressed with how the story progresses -- but this takes it to a whole different level.

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    I am still shaking. This was incredible, and Iím going to be thinking about what Durkon said for a while.

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    Woooah - even if he is REALLY Durkon instead of Durkula now the Order has to kill him. They've been tricked once - they'd be silly to think it is actually Durkon a second time. Even if it is.

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    Incredible :) These are the moments that make OOTS one of the best works of fiction I ever read.

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    Holly crap !!!

    it's kind of perfect !

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    Also damn, look at all those memories. Durkon officiating the wedding. Learning to fight trees. Studying with cousin Hoskin. His birth. Something with his grandpa, although I'm not sure what.
    This really shows just how close Durkon was with his family. His whole family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resileaf View Post
    This also certainly puts into perspective what happened to Malack. Did he go through the same epiphany as Greg and actually was the same person in undeath as he was in life? Or is it getting all the memories at once after an overload of feelings that breaks the vampire spirit?
    I think time is a factor, definitely. Malack absorbed these memories over months if not years, and didn't get all the emotional baggage in one massive lump like Durkula just did. It's difficult to say for certain, of course, because Malack had another 200 years of undeath experience on top of that, so he likely wouldn't have been very similar to who he was in life even if he was a carbon copy at the time he died--I'm certainly not the same person I was even 30 years ago, much less 200!

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    Well, that was really, really, really interesting.

    Rich Burlew, if you're reading this, I hate to break it to you but Terry Pratchett got there first again. In his book Carpe Jugulum. The protagonist Granny Weatherwax is taken by vampires, but she's a woman very like Durkon. She doesn't get vampired, the vampires get Weatherwaxed.

    That's essentially what happened here.

    Which raises a question: Is that what happened to Malack? Granted, the vampire-spirit which arose in Malack's dead body was a different being at first, did it so completely pick up the memories of the previous host that it *became* the original mortal Malack? Forget it ever was anything else?

    And thank you, imprisoned-Durkon, for giving that so-excellent rebuttal to Greg*. Yes, you are who you are on your worst day, but you also who you are on every other day of the week as well. That's why Durkon is adjudged lawful good and not lawful evil. Because, as he says, he took that worst day of his life and decided NOT to make the next day the new worst day.

    Crowning moment of awesome for Durkon. Bravo, sir, Bravo.

    If this were a Shakesperean theater I'd be stamping the ground and whistling in approval. But I can't do that physically, it causes comment

    ETA: Oh yes. I notice the onscreen decapitation, which was managed without somehow being a total mess. Well done again, showing Belkar's ferocity while still keeping the comic PG-13.

    Respectfully,

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    Way to go Mr. Scruffy!
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    Can't wait for Hel's reaction. She can't even do vampires right
    Though I guess the point here is that trying to corrupt a soul as pure as Durkon's was a losing proposition to begin with.

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    Well, looks like that's why I never got an answer as to why the vampire spirit in Durkon's head never changed to robes as well.

    Also, I never put it together that what the vampire missed in the memories was the experience, and that was why he couldn't make the connection. Makes perfect sense in hindsight.
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    But doesn't Greg have a separate consciousness of his own? And does that consciousness continue to exist independently or does it merge with Durkon's mind? And what happens to Greg's personality as High Priest of Hel - certainly, it was short-lived, but it existed. Does it simply get erased or does it combine with Durkon's own somehow?


    Also, did Durkon just "Agent Smith" Greg?

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    Oh. OK, wow, lots of things I didn't think could happen did in fact happen. And are awesome.

    So I guess we have a Good Vampire now? Though I guess Belkar will try and stake him the second that antilife shield is down. And Hilgya will likewise do whatever she can to destroy the Vampire body as soon as she's released from domination.

    What will Hel do about this?

    So many questions!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Well, looks like that's why I never got an answer as to why the vampire spirit in Durkon's head never changed to robes as well.

    Also, I never put it together that what the vampire missed in the memories was the experience, and that was why he couldn't make the connection. Makes perfect sense in hindsight.
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