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2018-08-24, 08:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
I never noticed that Elan sneakily hands Amun-Zora a sword when she is released from her cell. I suppose she wouldn't be much threat against Nale unarmed though. The "Clang! Clang!" sound effects in the last frame should have tipped me off too...
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2018-08-24, 08:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
This one went completely over my head as I don't play video games.
However I try to maintain a geeklist of references to games in OOTS and this one comes in as the seventh.
EDIT: I have a vague impression I've missed a reference to American college football but I have no idea which strip except it would have been a conversation between Roy and Eugene.Last edited by Mad Humanist; 2018-08-24 at 08:22 AM.
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2018-08-24, 08:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
You may be thinking of this strip - with the "devils" alongside Cedrik (orange archfiend) in the picture:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0640.html
being college football mascots.Last edited by hamishspence; 2018-08-24 at 08:28 AM.
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2018-08-24, 08:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
Last edited by Mad Humanist; 2018-08-24 at 08:34 AM.
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2018-08-24, 08:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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2018-08-24, 08:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
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2018-08-24, 08:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
Ever wondered how many games are mentioned in the comic? I have listed them all in a geeklist: https://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/2...es-order-stick
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2018-08-24, 08:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
#1107 also references a card game.
You can link The Giant's official description page for Start of Darkness, and it's also available for sale in digital PDF form.Last edited by b_jonas; 2018-08-24 at 08:51 AM.
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2018-08-24, 09:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
That's already on the list: second page. If you want to suggest an entry please do check the list first.
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2018-08-24, 10:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
The gladiator who hated Belkar was named Evisceratus. There were also two gladiators named Notseenicus and Offpanelio
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0782.html
Also, Elan's ideas of Holy Words are all things with holes in them.
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0806.htmlLast edited by bc56; 2018-08-24 at 11:11 AM.
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Originally Posted by William Shakespeare, King Lear, IV.i.46Originally Posted by Howard Tayler
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2018-08-24, 07:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
Sorry, totally my fault. I didn't realize that there was a second page or that the list was roughly sorted by appearance in comic, and I didn't think to check after I saw an entry for "Traditional card games" with multiple references to it on the first page, but these are not good enough excuses.
Second try: #517 panel 2 references the traditional game Pattycake.Last edited by b_jonas; 2018-08-24 at 07:55 PM.
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2018-08-24, 09:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
I never noticed Haley's joke about Limbo in #1117
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Originally Posted by William Shakespeare, King Lear, IV.i.46Originally Posted by Howard Tayler
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2018-08-25, 08:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
I just noticed that in Good Deeds Gone Unpunished, we get an explanation for something else in the main comic,
somewhere near the end of How the Paladin Got His Scar.Spoilerwhy the valley with Xykon's back-up fortress had become occupied in the previous (as Xykon says), "like, 30 years": it had almost certainly been a result of the Supreme Leader's planned expansion that we see mentionedLast edited by nabcif; 2018-08-25 at 09:54 AM. Reason: Add attribution and quote marks.
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2018-08-25, 08:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
At most 12 years (and possibly as little as 7 years) lapse between the end of How The Paladin Got His Scar and the start of No Cure For The Paladin Blues - but yes, that would probably explain why the valley is occupied.
Given that Xykon says he's not been there for "a few decades"
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0191.html
it's possible that he left the tower abandoned as much as 30 years ago, though.Last edited by hamishspence; 2018-08-25 at 08:51 AM.
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2018-08-25, 08:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
In comic 501 (I'd post a link, but the I'm to new here for the forum to let me), the third nation the Azurites go to looks like the nation from the In the Realm of the Dragon short from Snips Snails and Dragon Tails. The character they talk to appears to be in an ice cave and looks exactly the same (down to his baggy eyes) as the adviser who was chomped in half
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2018-08-25, 09:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
Makes sense.
In How The Paladin Got His Scar :
SpoilerThe Realm of the Dragon is described as being ruled over by an evil red dragon, and in extremely tense diplomatic relations with Azure City - they're not at war, but close to it.
Part of the reason O-Chul is sent to solve the diplomatic crisis with the hobgoblins, is that they're afraid that if things get any worse, they will be in a war on two fronts.
I would guess that the Red Dragon died, the White Dragon took over, relations improved significantly (hence the Realm being called an ally) - and the advisor is killed by the white dragon at some point between the events referenced in 501, and the present.Marut-2 Avatar by Serpentine
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2018-08-25, 09:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
Ah, sorry; that
was a direct (albeit unmarked) quote from the strip I linked to. I have little idea why I didn't put quotes around it, but at that point I'd probably already spent 45 minutes revising my post (mainly to have grammatically correct sentences with and without the spoiler tag).Spoiler(the "like, 30 years ago")
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2018-08-25, 09:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
Good point. So we know Xykon was in the valley around 30 years ago, and he probably abandoned the fortress not long after that time.
I would speculate that the abandonment date coincides roughly with the time he joined up with Redcloak - he "set it up just in case", he went on a trip - he ran into that paladin swamp fortress Redcloak was attacking - and the rest is history.
His last trip there was probably after retrieving Serini's diary:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0196.html
which, it would appear from his reaction in Start of Darkness:
Spoiler"There are other gates?!
took place after the Battle of Lirian's Gate.
So he found the diary, he deciphered one location,
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0197.html
left the diary there, and abandoned the fortress.Last edited by hamishspence; 2018-08-25 at 10:02 AM.
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2018-08-25, 10:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
I didn't notice that the title of the last thread was a pun at first...
Also, "Grand Martial" is probably a pun on "grandma".Cool elan Illithid Slayer by linkele.
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2018-08-25, 10:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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2018-08-25, 10:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
On re-checking Start of Darkness:
SpoilerXykon "disappeared" 6 years before DCF (hunting down Serini's diary) - and reappeared 3 years before DCF (having found the diary and translated one location).
His comments about the valley having been abandoned for "like, 30 years" and about not having "been here in decades - who knows what might have moved in" suggests he went straight in and out the library (possibly flying in through a window, since it's warded against teleportation?) to drop off the book without having bothered to do any looking around the rest of the tower.Marut-2 Avatar by Serpentine
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2018-08-26, 05:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
Thing I just noticed today: all the strips ending in 37 are fairly talky and expository. Not really any battling or anything happening in them. Except 437, which was during the battle for Azure City. Even the one when V is fighting the dragon is mostly the fiends chatting!
A lot of people pick 37 when asked for a random number, maybe this is to make hooks without giving away any crucial plot twists?
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2018-08-27, 05:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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2018-08-27, 05:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
By the way can someone explain to me the pun in "I take issue with your tone"? (second-to-last quip by Tarquin).
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2018-08-27, 06:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
Because one meaning of issue is "son and heir." The reason for all of Henry VIII's marriages was seeking issue, that is a legitimate male heir to ensure a line of succession.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issue_(genealogy).
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2018-08-27, 06:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Thank you.
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2018-08-27, 09:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
I just noticed that Belkar's flashback on strip #807 replaces Enor and Ganji's heads with those of Belkar and Mr. Scruffy.
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2018-08-28, 11:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
Until today, I had never noticed that the big splash panel in 841 is bigger in the print copy of the book. It gets a thicker border instead of the standard panel frame used in the web version, but also adds some art to the top and bottom that isn't seen online. Not significantly different, but it doesn't cut off the illustration of the dragon on the wall, making it even more obvious.
hamishspence quoted a post by Porthos in the page count thread that mentioned that this comic was missing a 1/4 page, so I was curious as to what ended up filling that space. Now I'm curious as to what went into the decision to crop the scene differently online vs. in print.
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2018-08-28, 01:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-08-28, 01:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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