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    Aw yes. We’re on a mission from Thor…to team up with Redcloak!
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    Gotta love those special circumstance bonuses.
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    'Single most special circumstance'... Love it!
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    I burst out laughing at Thor's line in the last panel. And I appreciate getting an update on how the other gods view the Dark One.

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    Again, did not expect the red cloak Thor East meets West team up. Now the question is how he can talk to him without getting killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 137ben View Post
    I burst out laughing at Thor's line in the last panel.
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    Interesting. My initial thought was that the Dark One wouldn't go for such a thing because it doesn't help the goblins at all -- but actually this is a perfect bargaining opportunity. He can refuse to help out unless the other gods agree to his terms, without needing to deal with the ritual and threatening them directly with the Snarl and all that.

    Of course the obvious problem is that you'd have to deal with Redcloak. And Durkon isn't even the High Priest of Thor, so can he even summon a proxy?
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    It's nice to see Thor trying to comfort Durkon. As mentioned in a previous thread, Thor could easily just tell him to just do it-Durkon worships him, he's not going to ignore anything he says-but he seems to be trying his best to be respected as a person and not feared as a god, which is nice.
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    Yes! More gods!

    Tiamat looks gorgeous, and I recognize Tyr (who I now think is evil) and Skadi but I'm not sure about the leftmost one (Freya?). Anyways they all look good.

    The Dark One does not want to talk to Loki either, hmm, that's bad, that means Hilgya won't be as much helped as we'd hoped.

    Also something is up with Skadi's speech balloon, it looks like she's saying "unt!" instead of "until".
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    Huh. Rat is the one most upset? I'm guessing he was pleased with how things were being run - all that backstabbing and plots must have been right down his alley.

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    "Sorry for trying to kill you. And I know that this is going to ruin your plans, you god's current plans, and especially your (comedically temperamental) nominal boss's plans, but...can you help us seal the gates?"
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    I love it Rich! Great work as always :)

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    Hoo, boy... I think you'd need a CHA save of at least 40 to convince Redcloak to do a team up. Thank goodness there aren't any Paladins on Roy's team, (anymore) or they'd be screwed.
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    Thor is awfully chipper.

    But his last line IS somewhat true....^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Yes! More gods!

    Tiamat looks gorgeous, and I recognize Tyr (who I now think is evil) and Skadi but I'm not sure about the leftmost one (Freya?). Anyways they all look good.
    Maybe it's Sunna, Goddess of the Sun, whose priest wears similar orange and yellow colours?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    Huh. Rat is the one most upset? I'm guessing he was pleased with how things were being run - all that backstabbing and plots must have been right down his alley.

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    And then the Dark One goes and conquers his city in return...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sniffnoy View Post
    Interesting. My initial thought was that the Dark One wouldn't go for such a thing because it doesn't help the goblins at all -- but actually this is a perfect bargaining opportunity. He can refuse to help out unless the other gods agree to his terms, without needing to deal with the ritual and threatening them directly with the Snarl and all that.
    That's probably the best way to get Redcloak and the Dark One onboard with this whole deal. The question is, what sorts of demands would he have? And would Durkon and company be able to talk him down to just "treat goblins as actual sentient beings and not walking plot hooks/chunks of XP"?
    ...And would this deal extend to orcs, ogres, etc, or just goblins?


    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    Huh. Rat is the one most upset? I'm guessing he was pleased with how things were being run - all that backstabbing and plots must have been right down his alley.
    Not when he's the one being backstabbed!
    The problem is that the Southern Gods' biggest city just got wrecked, and Rat thought he could trust the Dark One.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldritch Queen View Post
    Hoo, boy... I think you'd need a CHA save of at least 40 to convince Redcloak to do a team up. Thank goodness there aren't any Paladins on Roy's team, (anymore) or they'd be screwed.
    What about O-Chul and Lien (and Hinjo if he's also going to the pole) ?
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    Maybe it's Sunna, Goddess of the Sun, whose priest wears similar orange and yellow colours?

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    One ninth-level spell slot? So Redcloak just needs to cast a ninth-level spell and that will somehow help out the Gods seal the rifts? Not sure how that's going to work, but I guess we'll find out in due time.

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    Frankly, they'd probably have better luck with the Dark One than with Redcoak on all precedent - RC is waaay too deep, TD1 is just angry.

    Also, this is the "make Loki look good" book, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sniffnoy View Post
    And then the Dark One goes and conquers his city in return...
    Well, yes, that's kinda my point. It doesn't feel like Rat would be that attached to this city of all cities. Thus my wondering if they were maybe impressed with the chaos due to the scope of its backroom politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    Huh. Rat is the one most upset? I'm guessing he was pleased with how things were being run - all that backstabbing and plots must have been right down his alley.

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    Well, Rat defended the Dark One and his goblins tried to wipe out Azure city. I am guessing types like Kubota would be Rat's followers.

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    Calling it now: Not gonna work. At least, not long-term. Redcloak's wrapped in too many layers of denial, and couldn't quit even if he wanted to. My guess is he will redeem...About three seconds before Xykon disintegrates him. Also, unrelated, but who's' the redheaded goddess? Sif?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Leftmost, relative to us. I identified Skadi from the face tatoos.
    Yup - my guess is that the orange-wearing goddess is Sunna. Until I spotted the tattoo on Skadi's priest, I thought the rightmost goddess was Frigg - but I spotted it, and amended the post.
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    Still not sure whether Redcloak or the Dark One himself will be less amenable to these overtures. Becoming increasingly convinced the latter is the big obstacle, though.

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    Convince a high priest to aid the scheme of another, hated god behind his god’s back? Non-starter. Establish a line of communication through Redcloak instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    Huh. Rat is the one most upset?
    Yeah, I find myself wondering.

    Thor's version of events says that the Dark One learned about the Snarl on his own, and cut off relations with Loki and all other gods for withholding information from him.

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    Redcloak's version of events says that the Dark One learned the bare minimum of the Snarl's existence and then his allies Loki, Tiamat, and Rat filled him in on all the details.


    Is Loki really straightforwardly trying to do exactly what Thor would want done?

    Is Rat really furious about the loss of Azure City?

    Or do Loki, Tiamat, Rat, and the Dark One have some scheme of their own which Thor doesn't know about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by warmachine View Post
    Convince a high priest to aid the scheme of another, hated god behind his god’s back? Non-starter. Establish a line of communication through Redcloak instead.
    ...I think The Dark One would be even LESS willing to negotiate then Redcloak. Where do you think he gets it from?

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    Ok lol. Guess the "what happened to Greg?" Debate is formally settled.

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