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2020-04-01, 10:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-04-01, 10:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Oh this is going to help Cat's case immensely. And yes, I am fully expecting her to walk this off. Since the Mirror Knight's band of five are running with the assumption that assassins are targeting her people, it supports that story well that one just tried to kill her for real. And, well, just as the traitor reveals himself seems like the perfect time for the Heroes to burst onto the scene.
Friday's chapter should be fun.
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2020-04-01, 10:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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They are supposed to be the equals and reflections of Named, tho. I suspect the reason Cat finds this so easy is that she's riding a story. Multiple stories, and her stories at that, the ones that are the foundational aspects of her legends. Stealing the wings and powers of the faeries, outplaying them at their own story-games, getting into a duel with a physically superior opponent and beating them by using an unexpected degree of savagery, stubbornness, correct application of the power she can muster, and just a little bit of rampant disregard for her own physical health as long as it results in them being down and her not. About the only thing that could make this a more perfect storm of Cat-ness is if she had exploded some seemingly innocuous item or set a fire for tactical advantage (but then we got that one out of the way in the Miscellaneous Stacks.) Wouldn't be at all surprised if Cat's forming Name is thrilled with all of this and somehow augmenting her and she just thinks it's her increased talent with using Night.
.. although usually Cat notices when that's happening and spares a thought to call it out for the audience's benefit, because she's so used to deliberately bucking stories and trying to undo forming narratives that it's pretty unusual for her to be benefiting from them. Still, for creatures as story-bound as the faeries trying to face down Cat at the center of all those narrative threads could only ever end one way. (There's going to be a genre of stories in Calernia that will be known as 'Black Queen' stories, where the point of the story isn't 'what is the twist' - there's ALWAYS a twist, a Black Queen story never ends the way you expect it to - but instead how well executed and clever the change in direction is. A large number of them are murder mysteries, as the form has many similarities to start with. The Queen of Lost and Found, starring in 'Murder She Wrote'..)Last edited by tyckspoon; 2020-04-01 at 10:56 AM.
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2020-04-01, 02:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Wasnt she suposed to have a regular human body though?
I though she turned normal when winter was ripped from her body.
She even said as much to the Dead King. The only thing he told her was that she would not age.
Of course evidence does point in the opposite direction.
She has been fighting with superhuman agility, and reaction speed several times now.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2020-04-01, 07:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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As far as the Bard going after the Terms, I think that's still on her target list. It's just not her primary objective, assuming Cat is correct as usual. She wants to force Cordelia into a corner where the only way out is the Angel Corpse Cannon, and that means taking away her other options. Quartered Seasons and Severance need to go, but a Cordelia faced with imminent doom because the Grand Alliance disintegrated will feel more trapped. So this elaborate scheme to get the Heroes and Villains in conflict again would still be beneficial to her end goal, which is why she did it this way...she's trying to set up to win something no matter what outcome she gets.
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2020-04-02, 08:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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She's also unlocking a new name, which I believe is giving her powers that are slowly unlocking. She doesn't know what the nature of her new name is, so she can't embrace it or deny it yet.
No, she's just mortal again.
Who bleeds or get drunk as quickly as any other human.
She does and doesn't. She's basically a high tier mighty. She's chock full of Night but is still mostly human.
Since Tombmaker survived a fair fight with the Saint, then one got to assume there are ways night can boost your speed and agility.
As far as the Bard going after the Terms, I think that's still on her target list. It's just not her primary objective, assuming Cat is correct as usual. She wants to force Cordelia into a corner where the only way out is the Angel Corpse Cannon, and that means taking away her other options. Quartered Seasons and Severance need to go, but a Cordelia faced with imminent doom because the Grand Alliance disintegrated will feel more trapped. So this elaborate scheme to get the Heroes and Villains in conflict again would still be beneficial to her end goal, which is why she did it this way...she's trying to set up to win something no matter what outcome she gets.
Then we are back in the situation where we do have Bard's own word on how she dont care about the Terms.
And we do lack any sort of evidence towards why that should not be the case.
As i have said before. Bard's work is about the big picture.
Why should she care if people agree to stop calling angels or demons?thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2020-04-02, 11:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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That would be the Accords, the long-term treaty. The Terms are the short-term armistice, and if she's trying to corral Hasenbach into a single, specific story of wielding a Judgement Angel's corpse against the Dead King, disrupting the current truce between Named would help. Since she doesn't care about the Accords, whether they are damaged in the long-term is irrelevant to accomplishing her short-term goals. The Bard is smart at minimum, remember, and possibly a literal incarnation of Stories in some fashion. Had Cat not reacted as genre-savvy as she did, the Treaties and Terms would have been irreparably damaged or even destroyed, entirely ignoring the Fae sucker punch coming from the other direction. There's no way the Bard did not implement such a plan if the outcome was not in some fashion desirable to her. That's why I said Bard was setting up a win-win...barring Cat's intervention, she either wins (secret weapons destroyed), wins (hero/villain alliance shattered), or wins more (hero/villain alliance shattered and secret weapons destroyed).
You did originally think the Bard wasn't behind this at all, that she wouldn't interfere with anything that could defeat the Dead King. But now we know she doesn't simply want Neshamah dead, she wants him dead in a singularly specific fashion of her own design. So if you interpret all her actions as driving towards that goal, it makes sense that killing the Terms would be something she might see value in.NOW COMPLETE: Let's Play Starcraft II Trilogy:
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2020-04-02, 12:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-04-02, 05:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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That would be the Accords, the long-term treaty. The Terms are the short-term armistice, and if she's trying to corral Hasenbach into a single, specific story of wielding a Judgement Angel's corpse against the Dead King, disrupting the current truce between Named would help. Since she doesn't care about the Accords, whether they are damaged in the long-term is irrelevant to accomplishing her short-term goals. The Bard is smart at minimum, remember, and possibly a literal incarnation of Stories in some fashion. Had Cat not reacted as genre-savvy as she did, the Treaties and Terms would have been irreparably damaged or even destroyed, entirely ignoring the Fae sucker punch coming from the other direction. There's no way the Bard did not implement such a plan if the outcome was not in some fashion desirable to her. That's why I said Bard was setting up a win-win...barring Cat's intervention, she either wins (secret weapons destroyed), wins (hero/villain alliance shattered), or wins more (hero/villain alliance shattered and secret weapons destroyed).
You did originally think the Bard wasn't behind this at all, that she wouldn't interfere with anything that could defeat the Dead King. But now we know she doesn't simply want Neshamah dead, she wants him dead in a singularly specific fashion of her own design. So if you interpret all her actions as driving towards that goal, it makes sense that killing the Terms would be something she might see value in.
And yes while i were wrong on the Bard being involved, then i were still correct on this not being her making a move against the TA.
If anything, this is more evidence to support that the Bard doesnt care either way about the TA.
As such, if anything this is the story equivalent to Cat setting fire to that library.
She did not hate it, fear it, or directly wish it ill. She just needed a distraction, and didnt care about if it would damage the library or not.
But so far the only thing we have confirmed that the Bard want, is for the story to get on the rails she set.
Rumena Tomb Maker is an un-named mortal and yet he can slap the Saint of Swords around like she was an unruly child. You assumed that being mortal again meant she was human again, and while it's a fair assumption it is demonstratively false.
Else, no its in fact not demonstratively false that Cat is human. Since we still lack a demonstration that shows she is something else.
Most of the time she bleeds like a human, freeze like a human, even get to curse her period like a human woman.
There are things that dont add up with that. But we lack a definitive proof she isnt human any more.
So so far the mighty explanation is likely the best call to explain whats going on with her fighting Titled Fae in melee.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2020-04-02, 06:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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It may have been an ambush but it was still a feat that even the most powerful of Named would struggle to match.
We're going to rapidly veer into arguing about the definition of a human at this point, which I'd really rather not. Perhaps I should say 'ordinary' instead.
It's worth noting that she was using Night during that fight. She just didn't use it for the killing blow.Spoiler: I'm a writer!Spoiler: Check out my fanfiction[URL="https://www.fanfiction.net/u/7493788/Forum-Explorer"here[/URL]
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I liked Roland before, but the extra chapter kind of makes me want to see a spin-off story of Roland and Olivier's adventures.
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2020-04-03, 12:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Most of the extra chapters follow the same character(s) for two or three chapters, so.. we'll probably get a few. Probably describing how the two brothers tried to make their own way in the world until Olivier could no longer overcome the inherent *******ry of the world, became a Villain in response to it, and Roland being created a Hero to stop him (or, somewhat less tragically, to defeat whatever or whoever ends up killing Olly.)
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2020-04-03, 12:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Just gonna point out a 20th level human cleric is still a human, magic Story powers or not. The fact that said cleric (who probably isn't EVEN 20th level) is slapping around a few fey is hardly surprising at the best of times.
See, that's where Cat was smart - she traded up from the mere trifle of power of that is the Narrative to the true great power - CoDzilla.Last edited by Aotrs Commander; 2020-04-03 at 12:56 PM.
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2020-04-04, 07:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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It does seem kinda likely that its Oliver who ends up becomming Roland.
The Rogue Sorcerers whole thing might that he actually dont have magic of his own.
Instead he seemingly just have the confiscated magic of villains he had defeated. And a massive amount of trinkets.
But yeah. That story does seem like its headed for a heartbreaking ending.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2020-04-07, 04:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Archer's perspective chapter on her conversation with the Concocter. I wonder if this will start a change for her "Define People" attitude pointed out in a previous chapter.
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2020-04-07, 04:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Archer could likely use a little character growth.
Even though she is the most amusing member of the Woes.
And now we got a corpse. Since its unlikely that Cat dies here.
Then my prediction is she took the chance to fake her own death. For story reasons.
She did have a spare corse as i recalled?
edit.
Oh yeah the jerk that got axed.Last edited by lord_khaine; 2020-04-07 at 05:16 PM.
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2020-04-07, 06:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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I read a theory that much like how Bard dies and finds herself elsewhere, Cat has actually died and gets pulled to the Drow front, or potentially dropping in on the Golden Bloom.
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2020-04-07, 06:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: Interlude: ArcherMy money's on that corpse being the Fallen Monk. Story-wise he's all about killing priests, which on the surface looks like a good counter to Cat... but he hunts priests of the Light, and Cat is the high priest of its opposite. That's just begging for a one-liner about underestimating her and getting overconfident, followed by a quick reversal of knife ownership. If he was a hero, or on a redemption arc, he might be able to pull a 'not so different' justification for finishing her, but as-is I don't think he has enough of a narrative going to beat Cat that easily. And as Archer noted, she's got enough power that he'd need a narrative to beat her with just one strike.Last edited by PoeticallyPsyco; 2020-04-07 at 06:59 PM.
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Spoiler: Interlude: ArcherWhile I like the idea that this is a corpse double, I doubt that it is the Fallen Monk, as the Monk is a completely different body build than Cat to make the confusion. However, it could be the Wicked Enchanter.
On the other hand, the Wandering Bard does get a new body every so often, so perhaps Cat will face similar treatment.
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2020-04-08, 01:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Eh. There's also that trick with the Night that makes a body double while you slink away.
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2020-04-10, 07:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Harkam is great as always.
Read a solid theory on the shape of this plot on Reddit:
Spoiler: TheoryCat went to Masego and enlisted hiss help in using the wicked enchanter's corpse to make a body double like Black did when facing Hanno to avoid that confrontation. I believe that ritual targeted and killed someone else in the target's place (why Ashen Priestess died). Cat used the same ritual as a means to execute the traitor that revealed themselves by backstabbing her and parrying that narrative thrust.
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2020-04-11, 04:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Eh. There's also that trick with the Night that makes a body double while you slink away.
Cat went to Masego and enlisted hiss help in using the wicked enchanter's corpse to make a body double like Black did when facing Hanno to avoid that confrontation. I believe that ritual targeted and killed someone else in the target's place (why Ashen Priestess died). Cat used the same ritual as a means to execute the traitor that revealed themselves by backstabbing her and parrying that narrative thrust.
Thats really not very different from the already popular theory that she used it as a left behind decoy to fake her death.
But its mixing other stuff up. The Ashen Priestess died because she became the target of a massive ritual attack made by The Tyrant.
Cat has not had a chance to perform all the ritual human sacrifices to power that ritual.
Cat does not need a ritual to kill someone. She demonstrated that clearly with a much more powerful Fae Noble.
There isnt a narrative pushing towards Cat's death. Because the narrative is currently indifferent to Cat, then it would be wrong to call someone trying to kill Cat a narrative thrust.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar