Kill6BillionDemons II: The Successor's coming will be followed by 108 burning threads

[Spacewolf]

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Yea Gaze needed to say Chain will only get one shot and it's a million to one. Then it might have worked.

To be fair Chain taking over for Solomon would probably be enough to start the next big war so you never know.

[Rydiro]

If she wins(draws blood), doesnt she get a wish?
I have a feeling she wont wish for the throne.

[Eldan]

Is it me or is this entire arc starting to feel dragged out? I'm kind of fed up with duelling scenes and ever bigger special moves.

[Narkis]

It's not just you. I'm kinda reminded of Dragonball at this point.

[sihnfahl]

It's not just you. I'm kinda reminded of Dragonball at this point.

Only ... without all the yelling.

Who knew breathing exercises like that played such a role in making someone stronger?

[MrConsideration]

I think we're nearing an end to the tournament arc - Solomon seems to be taking White Chain out for a 'you'll grow out of it when you're older' speech. This seems very gendered, especially as much of White Chain's growth is about her comfort with her gender identity, whereas Solomon speaks of 'great men'.

I think the critique of Solomon is the quintessential critique of any stifling, bureaucratic, tyrannical regime: the trains may come on time but free expression and liberty are also fundamental to the human experience. George Orwell once said "To a man with toothache, utopia consists of not having toothache" and I think that's key here. Solomon has built a world without the anarchic violence or incessant war of Rayuba-as-was, but it depends on tyranny to maintain itself. I do think some scenes to show Solomon was a despot would have made this stronger.

Yes, in the crapsack world(s) of KSBD I'd rather live in Solomon's ordered and perfect tyranny than most of the universe, but the reader and only true audience of the critique currently lives in the real world which has its democracies and its tyrants.

[lord_khaine]

I think its important not to get caught on SD's use of great men here.
Thats bringing baggage from our world to one where physical limitations are insignificant compared to ones will.
And around ½ the demi-urges are female or seemingly so.

Its just a quirk of english, where great men are the, whats the word, neutral term?
Because saying great person sounds silly.

[Sean Mirrsen]

I think its important not to get caught on SD's use of great men here.
Thats bringing baggage from our world to one where physical limitations are insignificant compared to ones will.
And around ½ the demi-urges are female or seemingly so.

Its just a quirk of english, where great men are the, whats the word, neutral term?
Because saying great person sounds silly.

It's definitely not something to get hung up on, here. Whether it's "one small step for a man", "walk a mile in another man's shoes", a "man-made object" or whatever else, in many common cases, "man" is just used to stand in for "human". We use "humanity" and "mankind" interchangeably. In a fictional setting, an "Empire of man" almost never means a literal empire of male humans - just regular humans, of all kinds, as opposed to an empire of non-humans.

The only times it's worth fussing over is when it's explicitly meant to be a gendered term.

(tangentially related silly example: in a 4X game called Dominions, one of the nations is literally called "Man". It's modeled after... Arthurian legend or something, with Avalon et al. Its three most powerful and useful mage-commanders are all women. Men are just soldiers and squad leaders. Make of that what you will. :P)

[Rydiro]

I'm liking Solomon more and more. He really seems decent.
His only problem is thinking outside-the-box.

Edit: Has anyone an explanation, why Meti was easily royalty? Even zoss didnt manage to become royalty.

[tyckspoon]

Edit: Has anyone an explanation, why Meti was easily royalty? Even zoss didnt manage to become royalty.

Recall her commentary about training in the sword, and those who obsess about it. Swap in Royalty, or more generally anybody who thinks the mere ability to perform massive amounts of violence is the same as being strong. Meti is the one who reached that peak, realized how pointless it was, and by discarding that misconception of what it meant to be strong transcended it. Zoss appears to have finally had the same realization but too late to make it work in his own cycle.

("Reach Heaven Through Violence", sure, but the part they don't tell you is you're mostly doing the violence on your own hangups and misconceptions that are holding you back.)

[lord_khaine]

(tangentially related silly example: in a 4X game called Dominions, one of the nations is literally called "Man". It's modeled after... Arthurian legend or something, with Avalon et al. Its three most powerful and useful mage-commanders are all women. Men are just soldiers and squad leaders. Make of that what you will. :P)

Funny enough. The Board has a tiny, tiny subcommunity of Dom 5 players

Else, wasnt it the other swordmaster for whom royalty came easy to?
The one who did not seek it. The one with the imperfect blow.

[tyckspoon]

Else, wasnt it the other swordmaster for whom royalty came easy to?
The one who did not seek it. The one with the imperfect blow.

Are you thinking about Maya (Meti's disciple along with Incubus, eventually learned the lessons Meti was trying to transmit and abdicated her position as warlord/leader of her armies in the Universal War, left Incubus with a huge inferiority complex so he's always posing and trying to prove he's really strong enough to be a Demiurge), or was this one of the historical/mythological characters from the text stories?

[lord_khaine]

Are you thinking about Maya (Meti's disciple along with Incubus, eventually learned the lessons Meti was trying to transmit and abdicated her position as warlord/leader of her armies in the Universal War, left Incubus with a huge inferiority complex so he's always posing and trying to prove he's really strong enough to be a Demiurge), or was this one of the historical/mythological characters from the text stories?

Im not thinking of Maya. Its the other historical character besides Meti who were a legendary swordsman.

[Professor Gnoll]

Im not thinking of Maya. Its the other historical character besides Meti who were a legendary swordsman.

You're thinking of Lord Intra.

[lord_khaine]

I am!
Thats the guy for whom roalty came easy.

Also new comic. Interesting.

[-D-]

I'm getting Jotaro vs Dio fight flashbacks.

[sihnfahl]

Someone get White Chain some threads, stat.

Interesting pattern on her forehead now.

And quite the gambit. White Chain realized that Solomon could easily fend off two attackers... but one who is within another?

The body / soul separation, sacrificing the body to allow the soul a shot at an attack that can't be defended against (Solomon having committed to the counter-attack)...

My. And how will Solomon deal with what is now effectively a female version of him? Her flesh is akin to his, more than likely...

[Rydiro]

Someone get White Chain some threads, stat.

Interesting pattern on her forehead now.

And quite the gambit. White Chain realized that Solomon could easily fend off two attackers... but one who is within another?

The body / soul separation, sacrificing the body to allow the soul a shot at an attack that can't be defended against (Solomon having committed to the counter-attack)...

My. And how will Solomon deal with what is now effectively a female version of him? Her flesh is akin to his, more than likely...

Seems like WC already got her wish. And solomon the daughter he always wanted.

[lord_khaine]

Hah.. look at that grin when she began moving in the stopped time.
Solomon though he could not get any harder when she developed the first new technique to fight him :D

Also.. nooh! it would be a sin to cover up such a divinely flawless body!

Still really, really curious to see if Solomon gets to survive this exchange.
Does his body explore when time resumes?
Or did White Chain just draw the classic drop of blood from his cheek, to use as baseline for her own apothesis?

[sihnfahl]

Still really, really curious to see if Solomon gets to survive this exchange.

He will. None of the other demiurges have expired. If anything, their losses have merely amplified their flaws.

Solomon resisted having daughters. Now, not only does he have a 'daughter', but it's against his will.

And she's probably bested him.

[Iruka]

Spoiler: King of Swords 10-163

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No blood ...

Every time l see Solomon, I want to start working out ...

[Spacewolf]

Spoiler: King of Swords 10-163

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No blood ...

Every time l see Solomon, I want to start working out ...

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I could barely tell due to the rain but the look of disappointment makes it look that way yea.

[Eldan]

So it wasn't his blood that did this. That's one of the number one fan theories out the window.

[lord_khaine]

Well. That fan theory did also deserve to die anyway.

I think it was pretty clear this was White Chains Apothesis.

And also. Yes. Poor SD.
He was so close. So very close to escape his prison. The excitement was visible when White Chain once mor exceded his expectations.
By getting up to meet him as he came to finish her.

But she only bruised him. So of course he is disapointed.

[Eldan]

Yeah, but I liked the idea that White Chain's apotheosis was due to blood, at least partially. Solomon's statement was along the lines of "whoever spills my blood will have their wish granted". This is White Chain's wish. I liked the theory that Solomon was more literal than assumed and has literally wish-granting blood.

[Morty]

This is appropriate. If White Chain had drawn his blood, she would have validated his entire absurd tournament scheme and given him what he wants. But this fight was about her, not him.

[Eldan]

Fair enough. Though I mostly want to know how she did it.

[lord_khaine]

Im quite certain that White Chain would also like to know

It seems pretty clear this is as much a surprise for her as for Solomon.
But i guess its because she managed to take a step towards becomming Royalty.

[Shogo]

I suppose the question is . . . In her new state, is she even capable of repeating what she just did? Can she still separate her spirit from her new meat shell? Or, if there was another clash of blows, would she just explode like a meat pinata and permanently die?

[lord_khaine]

I think its quite likely that at this point, White Chain is human for good and bad.
And so i think she would absolutely get smashed if she fought Solomon again.