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    So, what happened in the roughly 40 years between Arena and Morrowind to cause a population explosion of Cliff Racers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Hall View Post
    So, what happened in the roughly 40 years between Arena and Morrowind to cause a population explosion of Cliff Racers?
    I don't know, The Anti-Jiub. Buij? Buij totally chimmed after doing something awesome and was a fan of cliff racers so he modified morrowind to have more cliff racers in it, and you'll totally find that information in Apocrypha in Skyrim, there is a very obscure book from the point view of a wizard biologist studying them about it, only findable if you look really hard, its really easy to miss. am I doing Elder Scrolls lore correctly yet?
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    I blame Dagoth Ur.

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    Have you noticed, there are hardly any cliff racers at the beginning of Morrowind? The population density grows steadily as you level up, they only become a major pest once you're past level 10 or so.

    So whatever is happening to them, it's happening very fast.

    I reckon Buij is a rogue Telvanni who wants to undermine her own House by making it easier for any random adventurer to make Levitate potions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by veti View Post
    I reckon Buij is a rogue Telvanni who wants to undermine her own House by making it easier for any random adventurer to make Levitate potions.
    Huh. That actually makes a lot of sense in a gameplay design kind of way. As you get further into the game, you need to levitate more and more often, and so you need the means to do so. The easiest way to make it work is to ensure the drop of mats with levitate effects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by veti View Post
    Have you noticed, there are hardly any cliff racers at the beginning of Morrowind? The population density grows steadily as you level up, they only become a major pest once you're past level 10 or so.
    Is that because you generally spend your first few levels in Morrowind in the Seyda Neen area, though, where there don't seem to be many Cliff Racers whatever level you are? If you were to make your way to Ald'ruhn at level 1, would the road be scattered with the things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by factotum View Post
    Is that because you generally spend your first few levels in Morrowind in the Seyda Neen area, though, where there don't seem to be many Cliff Racers whatever level you are? If you were to make your way to Ald'ruhn at level 1, would the road be scattered with the things?
    I've done that. And as I said, there are very few cliff racers when you're low level. There's a placed one on each of the roads north of Pelagiad and Balmora, and another one or possibly two west of Ald'ruhn, but that's about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by factotum View Post
    Is that because you generally spend your first few levels in Morrowind in the Seyda Neen area, though, where there don't seem to be many Cliff Racers whatever level you are? If you were to make your way to Ald'ruhn at level 1, would the road be scattered with the things?
    I usually leave the Seyda Neen area before hitting level 2 and have occasionally escorted the annoying pilgrim outside Ald'ruhn to the Ghostgate Shrine at level 1. My recollection is that there are many more cliff racers in the Ashlands - and in the world in general - at higher levels than at lower levels.

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    Odd. It seemed to me the Icarus mage was an incentive to get you to Balmora as soon as possible as it is basically one (lethal) hope ahead. Once you see how close it is, you go there and see Cosades.

    THEN, a majority of MY playtime is spent in Balmora. First encounters with Cliffracers for me are usually during Fighter and Mage's guild quests involving gathering alchemy herbs or doing that one quest in the kwama mine.

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    So, what happened in the roughly 40 years between Arena and Morrowind to cause a population explosion of Cliff Racers?
    My crackpot theory: The Camonna Tong is speed breeding them 1. As part of their ploys to drive the outlanders from Morrowind and force untold annoyance and suffering upon those that remain and 2. as part of a (as of now largely hypothetical) rapid transit, airborne delivery service for various illegal goods, particularly that sweet moon sugar and skooma.
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    So, what happened in the roughly 40 years between Arena and Morrowind to cause a population explosion of Cliff Racers?
    The Blight killed off all their natural predators? And possibly most of their competition as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kareeah_Indaga View Post
    The Blight killed off all their natural predators? And possibly most of their competition as well?
    Oh, I like that. The Blight kicks up with the stirring of Dagoth Ur. Their natural predators and competition for resources start to die off. Population boom.

    Really good option there.
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    Isnt it even explicit that the Cliff Racers were specifically carrying the blight (and, I think, Corprus) beyond the Ghostfence?
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    All animals affected by the Blight spread it further away from Dagoth Ur. It just so happens that cliff racers are the primary flying predators of the island, so it's really easy for them to spread Blight diseases.

    Corprus, to my knowledge, needs to be specifically afflicted by a servant of Dagoth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resileaf View Post
    Corprus, to my knowledge, needs to be specifically afflicted by a servant of Dagoth.
    Lore-wise, I'm pretty sure that Corprus is considered to be a contagious disease - there's a Temple quest in Morrowind to get someone to leave Vivec because she's infected with it and the Temple doesn't want her to spread the disease around. If you kill her and loot her corpse there's chance that you'll contract Corprus from her, too, which is a problem because you're not supposed to get Corprus until the Sixth House Base quest and Divayth Fyr can't cure you if you have the buggy version of the disease.

    Also pretty sure that there's dialogue in the game warning about contracting Corprus from fighting things afflicted by it and from Blight Storms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keltest View Post
    Isnt it even explicit that the Cliff Racers were specifically carrying the blight (and, I think, Corprus) beyond the Ghostfence?
    IIRC yes for the Blight, and the ash storms were supposed to spread it too I think. Not sure about Corprus specifically.
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    As I recall you could find both blighted and non-blighted Cliff Racers...in fact, there was a mod that made them a lot less annoying by making it that only the blighted ones would randomly attack you, while regular ones would leave you alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeson View Post
    Lore-wise, I'm pretty sure that Corprus is considered to be a contagious disease - there's a Temple quest in Morrowind to get someone to leave Vivec because she's infected with it and the Temple doesn't want her to spread the disease around. If you kill her and loot her corpse there's chance that you'll contract Corprus from her, too, which is a problem because you're not supposed to get Corprus until the Sixth House Base quest and Divayth Fyr can't cure you if you have the buggy version of the disease.

    Also pretty sure that there's dialogue in the game warning about contracting Corprus from fighting things afflicted by it and from Blight Storms.
    I consider Corprus-infected people to be servants of Dagoth (even if unwillingly), they can spread the disease.

    But animals aren't infected with Corprus, but with Blight diseases, which they do spread. Don't think Blight storms actually infect you with Blight diseases though. At least, in all the time I've played the game, I've never had that happen to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resileaf View Post
    Don't think Blight storms actually infect you with Blight diseases though. At least, in all the time I've played the game, I've never had that happen to me.
    I have. Though that may have been a mod effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by veti View Post
    I have. Though that may have been a mod effect.
    I think that must be a mod, ive never been hit with a disease in a blight storm unless an animal bit me.

    Anyway, while Resileaf's redefinition may be accurate, it also becomes a meaningless distinction (and also wrong, I think) given that Corprus is naturally contagious.

    The reason I think its wrong is because the sleepers are also unwilling minions of Dagoth, but cannot to my knowledge infect people with Corprus. That seems limited to people who are already infected, with some of them having greater ability to deliberately infect somebody than others.

    I think all of Dagoth's formal minions (as opposed to the sleepers) have it anyway, so frankly nobody was going to stop Dagoth Ur without an immunity anyway.
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    I just finished the GoldenGlow estate quest in the thieves guild (probably the closest one gets to a quest that feels thievery) and I succeeded in getting through it killing only the target dude you're supposed to rob (in my defense, he attacked first).

    Well, it's been a long time since I did this quest, so I didn't remember that Aringoth had a bow in his inventory. I also forgot to equip my sword. So here we are, two ready to fight to the death in melee and... we both pull out bows... And both fire... And both miss...

    ...Alright, we'll call it a draw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DigoDragon View Post
    Well, it's been a long time since I did this quest, so I didn't remember that Aringoth had a bow in his inventory.
    Befitting his status, Aringoth wears fine clothes and boots. He is armed with a leveled dagger, leveled bow, and up to 144 arrows of various qualities up to daedric, all limited by your level. He also carries a key to his cellar, a key to his safe and up to 45 gold coins
    His ingame class is ranger, with a stat weight of 3 in archery and only 2 in onehanded. With his pitiful dagger and his powerful arrows, I assume he only switches to bows when the player is of a high enough level. NPCs default to the most damage attack unless you are really up close.

    Well, that is all from me overanalyzing a trivial Skyrim encounter. Have a sunday!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sporeegg View Post
    His ingame class is ranger, with a stat weight of 3 in archery and only 2 in onehanded. With his pitiful dagger and his powerful arrows, I assume he only switches to bows when the player is of a high enough level. NPCs default to the most damage attack unless you are really up close.
    I suppose that would explain what happened. Bonus amusement is that the guard posted outside his room didn't get up to check on the noise we made in the fight. A good thing, because the game doesn't really have any inherent non-lethal way to deal with enemies other than to run and hide until they just give up on locating you.


    The next morning in-game I turned in that quest and completed a couple minor side-quests, one being getting Shadr out of his debt. And just as I talked to him in the stables to tell him the good news, a dragon attacks. Had to click through the dialog boxes quickly so I could go slay it. My rapid shooting skills are good, if a bit off target at times. Amusing moment was this succession of three crits in a row fired semi-blindly through trees:

    Critical strike on frost dragon
    Critical strike on frost dragon
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    Quote Originally Posted by veti View Post
    I have. Though that may have been a mod effect.
    Yeah, there are (unsurprisingly) mods for that. Although you could get hit with a blight disease in the vanilla game in the storms - just it wouldn't show in your effects list, be uncurable and forever trigger disease-related dialogue from npcs. All things considered, not that surprising for a Bethesda product.
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    Yeah, if you can't paralyze a target in Skyrim, you really have to book it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triaxx View Post
    Yeah, if you can't paralyze a target in Skyrim, you really have to book it.
    Ordinator has a really useful perk in the Sneak tree that makes everyone within a certain radius give up on looking for you after 8 seconds if you hide and keep still.

    I'm making a lot of use with that one now.
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    Yeah, I quit using stealth mostly. Makes the game too easy.
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    the only real defense I have on my ultimate power mage character against some enemies is a modded ward called Absolute Barrier that makes me immune to damage as long as its up, its the only useful ward spell I've ever had. I even have enchanted items to reduce all my mana costs to zero, and Ocatos recital to throw up an armor spell stronger than any vanilla one, slow time spell and a regeneration spell every time I get into battle without costing me any mana. I have spells to take out dragons in a couple hits and deals hundreds of damage to enemies over big areas. I can even cast wabbajack effects from my hands. and hundreds of other spells to do his or that.

    I STILL sometimes die when I'm too careless, despite this character theoretically being so unbalanced and overpowered that it should never happen. mostly because this character is so squishy that I've seen them die to bandits or draugr hitting them once with their melee weapons.
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    the only real defense I have [...] makes me immune to damage
    Spoken like a true mage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sporeegg View Post
    Spoken like a true mage.

    "The only thing keeping me from dying is that thing that makes me invincible."
    yeah, mages are generally a very binary playstyle in many videogames: your either good at it and thus unbeatable, or suck at it and thus die a lot, its the "difficult but awesome" style of play.

    Skyrim is just particularly fun because of the mods allowing you to do a lot things you wouldn't normally be able to do in other games.
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