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    Default Villainous Competition XXX: One Feat to Rule Them ALL

    Welcome to Round 30 of the Villainous Competition!

    Previous Competitions
    Round One: Leader of Armies
    Round Two: Nature's Revenger
    Round Three: Double Agent
    Round Four: Grave Keeper
    Round Five: Crime Lord
    Round Six: Ultimate Predator
    Round Seven: Wicked Witch
    Round Eight: Master of the Tundra
    Round Nine: The Power of Villainous Thinking
    Round Ten: Henchman Are Villains Too
    Round Eleven: The Higher They Rise The Harder They Fall
    Round Twelve: Power Comes at a Price
    Round Thirteen: The Gadgeteer - You Are Not Batman
    Round Fourteen: The Thing That Should Not Be
    Round Fifteen: The Horsemen Are Drawing Nearer
    Round Sixteen: Burn Baby Burn
    Round Seventeen: It's Alive!
    Round Eighteen: This is Heresy
    Round Nineteen: He Slimed Me!
    Round Twenty: Elder Evil
    Round Twenty-One: Yarr!
    Round Twenty-Two: I Am The Night!
    Round Twenty-Three: Two Heads Are Better Than One!
    Round Twenty-Four: Wrong For The Right Reasons!
    Round Twenty-Five: Keeper of the Gate
    Round Twenty-Six: Get In MY BELLY (Swallow Whole)
    Round Twenty-Seven: Multiple Personality Disorder
    Round Twenty-Eight: Tiny Only!
    Round Twenty-Nine: Halloween Special

    We're a little different than most of the optimization threads. We run on CR instead of ECL.

    Contestants:
    You will need to present a write-up of your build with at least one of the following points: 5 CR, 10 CR 15 CR, 20 CR, and a "sweet spot" that you feel is the high point of the build, as well as presenting a fully-fleshed out 20 CR build in the table below. Feel free to present as many of these as you like, and please give a rundown of the build's abilities and playability at all of the levels you didn't show. The rules are as follows:

    Secret Laboratory:
    Competitors will be free to use any official 1st party (WotC) 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon Compendium is allowed, but Dragon magazine is disallowed. Unearthed Arcana is allowed. Unupdated 3.0 materials, as well as web exclusives by WotC are expressly allowed, but take care to verify that an updated version did not appear in print elsewhere, as this may cause an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion. Alternate rule systems from UA such as gestalt or Generic Classes are not allowed, as they create a different playing field. Item Familiars and Taint are also banned from the competition. Leadership and all similar abilities are banned for sanity reasons.
    Builds that are fully monstrous are allowed at no penalty. All class levels are to be added on as associated class levels.

    Elite array (15, 14, 13, 12, 10, 8) is the assumed ability score generation method.
    Some monstrous characters can technically qualify for Epic feats as soon as their ECL is over 20. While regular Epic feats will be allowed, Epic Spellcasting and all other Epic feats that affect spells, psionic powers, or item creation are not permitted. Including these would give an unfair advantage over standard characters. For Incarnum characters, Epic Open Chakra feats are allowed; other Epic Incarnum feats are not. The Essentia Capacity increases for Epic capacity as described on p. 212. For all characters, please note that Racial Hit Dice do not count towards Epic Progression; use the regular progression even if the BAB ends up higher than 20.

    Deadlines:
    Contestants will have until 23:59 MST Monday February 4th to create their builds and PM them to the Supreme Chancellor. Builds will then be posted simultaneously, to avoid copying. Judges will have until 23:59 MST two weeks after whenever the reveal is.. to judge the builds and submit their scores. If no judges have scored by that point, only the scores of the first judge to submit will be counted. Deadlines are subject to extension as/if required.

    Judging:
    Judging will be based on the following criteria, with each build rated on a scale from 1 (very poor) to 5 (exemplary) in each area: Originality, Build Elegance, Competence and Power, Memorable Villainy.
    Keep these questions in mind when judging each category:
    Originality - Is it unexpected?
    Build Elegance - Is it mechanically pretty?
    Competence and Power - Can it do what the concept asks of it? Is this a powerfully-built character?
    Memorable Villainy - Is this a villain with style? Will it be the BBEG players long to finally kill and then talk about for weeks?
    Unearthed Arcana can be penalized for elegance if the specific feature seems unnecessary or makes the playing field unfair (In this case, you can give a 1 if it makes the field unfair.)
    Power level is up to you. Cheese is acceptable, but should be kept to a sane level unless you're showcasing a new TO build you've discovered. As the Iron Chef competition states, a little cheddar can be nice, but avoid the mature Gruyere unless you're making a cheese fondue.
    You may not judge if you entered the contest, unless you withdraw your submission.

    Presentation:
    Builds will be posted anonymously, in order to avoid the potential of bias towards a particular competitor. For this reason, please don't put your name in the build, as I'm likely to miss it when reviewing the entries!

    Note:
    There is now a hard limit on two (2) entries per competitor.

    Using the table below, the easiest way to use it is to go to the top left of the private message, and click the little a/A icon. It allows you to see what you're writing.
    Due to concerns about standardizing entry format, I'd like everyone to try to use the following table for their entry.[/SPOILER]
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    Speculation:
    Please don’t post or speculate on possible builds until the reveal, in order to avoid spoiling the surprise if a particular competitor is producing a build along those lines.
    Once builds are revealed, please do not comment on errors or rules issues on entries unless you are a judge. If you have such a comment, wait until the final reveal to post it.

    Get ready to share those Evil thoughts. This edition’s villain is:

    One Feat to Rule Them ALL!



    Limitations
    READ THIS CAREFULLY!!!

    • POWER will be judged on a 10 point scale for this round
    • use only 1 feat for your entire build
    • for the purposes of this round, all references of a feat not stacking or not applying to the same thing more than once are irrelevant.
    • you must still meet the pre-reqs for the feat you choose
    • you can choose to NOT take a feat at any levels (1, 3, 6, 9, 12, 15, 18) prior to when you take it first in order to meet pre-reqs, if you choose to NOT take a feat at any level for this purpose, you can choose any of the following benefits instead (list your choice in the feat field of your build table):
      • gain 2 extra skill points per level until you take the feat (2 at 1st, 4 at 3rd, 6 at each successive option)
      • gain +1 to BAB
      • gain +1 CL/ML/IL
    • Once you have taken your feat, you can NOT benefit from these options again
    • You must use at least 1 actual feat
    • Bonus feats from any source must still comply with being your only feat choice
    • Bonus feats not taken grant no benefit
    • EDIT: Alright, if you wish it, bonus feats can be taken to qualify for your feat of choice, but they grant no specific value to the build beyond that. it must be a specific bonus feat, not a "choose from x amount of feats" as a bonus feat.
    • racial feats may be used to qualify for your feat choice, but grant you no other benefit unless it is also your chosen feat for this round
    • Wild Talent and Hidden Talent are banned


    We will award 1st through 3rd places, and a possible Honorable Mention.
    So, start your evil plotting!
    Entry Competitor Description Score 1 Total Placing
    BABY Sweetkiss ben-zayb CE Male Firre Eladrin Bard 4 / Sublime Chord 1 / Mystic Theurge 5 20 20 Gold
    Zara Faertith AvatarVecna ?? Drider Cleric 13 19.755 19.755 Silver
    Tepel The Godclaw Lionheart ?? 3-Headed Leskylor Half-Farspawn Warshaper 2/Crusader 6 18.5 18.5 Bronze
    Crud Mike Miller LE Half-Orc Crusader 20 17.25 17.25 4th
    The DECAPITATOR! Hackulator NE? Spellwarped Advanced Razor Boar 16.75 16.75 5th
    Igor the Fleshy GrayDeath LE Winged Incarnate Greater Stone Golem Crusader 1/Swordsage 1/Warblade 9 16.25 16.25 6th
    Jaas Kraal Thurbane Male LE Large Elemental Immoth Sorcerer 1/Paladin of Tyranny 2/Eldritch Knight 8 15.75 15.75 7th
    Honorable Mention
    The Drowned Captain Falontani CE Drowned Paragon 14.5 14.5 8th

    Submission:
    To standardize Entries, please use this format when sending it in:

    PM: Jdizzlean
    Subject: Villainous Competition 30, Name of your Entry
    For Revisions and disputes, do the same thing. It makes it easier for me finding the entries in my mail box.
    More questions? PM me with Villainous Competition 30 Questions in the header.

    Tips for submitting your entry, provided by Weaselguy:
    - Use capitalization and punctuation, correctly.
    - Make good use of Spoilers, for cleanliness.
    - Don't forget your sources. If it's something that can be found in the contents section, then book title seems to be fine. Obscure stuff, may want to include page number too.
    - DeviantArt has about 9 billion pictures that you can reference, I can almost guarantee you can find one there to fit your character.
    - Make good use of tables. In addition to the Build table and the Spells table, I like doing on e for my Ability Scores, just to keep it neat.
    - Do a build stub at the top of your Build Table, something like Wizard 2/Fighter 3/Abjurant Champion 5/Eldritch Knight 10


    As always: let's keep it nice.

    I'll mention that again - LET'S KEEP IT NICE! Bickering, name calling and nasty comments on the entries or other forum members are not tolerated.


    New competition rule: if I feel an individual has been overly disruptive during the course of competition discussion, I will not be accepting and revealing any entries from that individual, and they will also not be allowed to judge. Any judging they enter will not be taken into account for the final tally.

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    It's sad that it had to come to this, but here's a list of permanently banned (from this Villainous Competition) members:

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    More sources, more choices, more power. Welcome to D&D.
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    I mean, I have been assuming Jdizzlean looks like Nathan Fillion this whole time to start with...
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    Default Re: Villainous Competition XXX: One Feat to Rule Them ALL

    Clarifications

    Unearthed Arcana variant rules are limited: The variant character options (such as Wildshape Ranger and Thug Fighter) should not be penalized. Flaws and traits may be penalized by judges, whereas item familiars, gestalt, alternate skill systems, alternate magic systems, alternate crafting rules, generic base classes, LA buyoff, fractional saves/BAB, and bloodlines are banned. Anything not mentioned here is up to individual judges.

    d20 Rokugan is not allowed material.

    The Dragon Magazine update for Oriental Adventures is in use.

    Leadership is banned. Any material that grants you leadership without you specifically taking it should be ignored and may not be traded away for another feat or ACF. Undead Leadership and Dragon Cohort are likewise banned. Wild Cohort and Obtain Familiar are allowed. If you are not sure if a specific feat violates the 'no leadership' rule, err on the side of caution, or ask me.

    However, Leadership may be taken to qualify for another feat or class (such as the Great Captain feat or Legendary Leader prestige class), though a character still doesn't get its usual benefit in those cases. This is to allow characters to access unproblematic material that'd otherwise be made unavailable because of the Leadership ban.

    On the subject of messaging the chair (me), a few guidelines:
    - I am not here to give critiques on your build or guess how the judges might score it!
    - For entries, please keep the entry to no more than 2 message, if at all possible.
    - For entries, don't expect me to search through your entry and edit in or out material. Entries should be sent to me complete - if there is a later revision, re-submit the full build. PLEASE DON'T INCLUDE TEXT IN YOUR SUBMISSION YOU WANT ME TO EDIT OUT FOR THE POST - SUBMIT IT TO ME EXACTLY HOW I WILL POST THE FINISHED PRODUCT.
    - Please make sure the name of your entry is clearly present in the message.




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    Default Re: Villainous Competition XXX: One Feat to Rule Them ALL

    This is...unusual, to say the least.

    I'm not sure if I can do anything with this or not. I'll have a think.

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    Not sure if I'm getting this correctly
    • if THE FEAT has other feat prerequisites, you can only get those feats from bonus feats and can't choose them as your feats for levels 1, 3, 6, etc.
    • for this round, you can take THE FEAT multiple times, and its numerical benefits, if any, will stack
    • the villain's schtick must focus on or revolve around THE FEAT
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    This is.. Interesting
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    I feel like telling the ghost of Gary Gygax to hold your beer is a good way to suddenly stop being the GM, but I have to admit that this would probably be remarkably effective. At what, I dunno, but effective.
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    Default Re: Villainous Competition XXX: One Feat to Rule Them ALL

    if a feat has another feat as a prerequisite, does that mean it's essentially ineligible for this, because to take it you'd have to have two feats?
    A neat custom class for 3.5 system
    http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94616

    A good set of benchmarks for PF/3.5
    https://rpgwillikers.wordpress.com/2...y-the-numbers/

    An alternate craft point system I made for 3.5
    http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showt...t-Point-system

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    Default Re: Villainous Competition XXX: One Feat to Rule Them ALL

    So, just to help me wrap my head around this, the idea here is that you would take, say, every feat slot filled with Signature Spell, or with Vow of Poverty, or something like that, and you could stack it so that you're piling on the bonuses from Vow or casting wish from 1st level spell slots or something?

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    Default Re: Villainous Competition XXX: One Feat to Rule Them ALL

    That is a weird concept.....intruiging, but weird.

    Luckily Leadership is banned, or some thing swould ... be really insane. ^^

    But yeah, the above questions are important: I assume if The Feat has prereqs you may take these, but you gain no benefit from them, they only allow you to qualify, correct?

    And as for stacking: So everything that normally would prevent multiple iterations from stacking is ignored, or ONLY if its numerical stuff (say +2 to saves, or a Bonus maneuver or somesuch, not, say, Vow of Poverty or Craven or....)
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    Default Re: Villainous Competition XXX: One Feat to Rule Them ALL

    I'll be honest: I genuinely do not understand what this round's unique rules are. At all.

    It's perhaps a moot point because I won't have time to enter, but if there's one thing I've learned while going back to school, it's that if I don't get something, there's at least a handful of other people involved who don't get it either, so it's worth piping up and getting clarification.

    You pick one feat and take it over and over, even if it doesn't let you normally do that? But you can skip taking a feat prior to when you take The Feat and gain benefits to meet prereqs (?), but they go away when you take The Feat? I truly do not understand where this is going.

    So for the benefit of everyone watching, can you please elaborate on just how this is intended to work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ben-zayb View Post
    Not sure if I'm getting this correctly
    • if THE FEAT has other feat prerequisites, you can only get those feats from bonus feats and can't choose them as your feats for levels 1, 3, 6, etc.
    • for this round, you can take THE FEAT multiple times, and its numerical benefits, if any, will stack
    • the villain's schtick must focus on or revolve around THE FEAT
    You're not even allowed the bonus feats. "Bonus feats from any source must still comply with being your only feat choice"
    If you receive a bonus feat from somewhere, that 'must' be your only feat. It seems o imply right after that line that you can 'choose' to not accept bonus feats, but it's only implication, not stated.

    Seems like taking THE FEAT multiple times does indeed stack with itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by zlefin View Post
    if a feat has another feat as a prerequisite, does that mean it's essentially ineligible for this, because to take it you'd have to have two feats?
    Certainly seems like it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Segev View Post
    So, just to help me wrap my head around this, the idea here is that you would take, say, every feat slot filled with Signature Spell, or with Vow of Poverty, or something like that, and you could stack it so that you're piling on the bonuses from Vow or casting wish from 1st level spell slots or something?
    Certainly seems like it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zaq View Post
    I'll be honest: I genuinely do not understand what this round's unique rules are. At all.
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    You pick one feat and take it over and over, even if it doesn't let you normally do that? But you can skip taking a feat prior to when you take The Feat and gain benefits to meet prereqs (?), but they go away when you take The Feat? I truly do not understand where this is going.
    Agreed on the unique rules. I don't even bother trying to build anymore because I want to 'not' deal with them.

    Judging by jdizzlean's language patterns, I believe he 'means' to say that once you take your feat, you cannot gain 'additional' bonuses by deciding to not the the feat again. You'd still keep any previous bonuses you took by forgoing the feat.
    What it actually says however... *sigh*
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    Perhaps it would be easier to do this (although I could be far from what the chair actually wants) at the beginning of the build you choose one feat that is what the SI is. The SI can be chosen multiple times and stacks with itself if applicable (power attack I don't think would be, however I'm not the judge here, and even if I was you might be able to argue it; vs mobility, pretty easy to see how it would stack) even if you normally could not take the feat multiple times. That'd be the only "unique" rule I'd do. Too many classes/races/etc grant too many feats or require feats to actually be made to shine.

    However, I do enjoy these concepts, as they help me think in different ways to come up with a dish. It's less add power attack, improved bull rush, shock trooper, and have fun with your bruiser of the day, and more, what can I use to make something fun and unique.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ben-zayb View Post
    Not sure if I'm getting this correctly
    • if THE FEAT has other feat prerequisites, you can only get those feats from bonus feats and can't choose them as your feats for levels 1, 3, 6, etc.
    • for this round, you can take THE FEAT multiple times, and its numerical benefits, if any, will stack
    • the villain's schtick must focus on or revolve around THE FEAT
    Quote Originally Posted by zlefin View Post
    if a feat has another feat as a prerequisite, does that mean it's essentially ineligible for this, because to take it you'd have to have two feats?
    Yes, my intention was to eliminate the massive feat chains so prelevant in all these optimization build competitions, and instead focus on the "beginning" feats. You can't take feats as pre-reqs, because you can only take 1 feat period.

    Quote Originally Posted by GrayDeath View Post

    And as for stacking: So everything that normally would prevent multiple iterations from stacking is ignored, or ONLY if its numerical stuff (say +2 to saves, or a Bonus maneuver or somesuch, not, say, Vow of Poverty or Craven or....)
    every aspect of a feats wording can apply for as many times as you take that feat. so let's say for example that you want to use Skill Focus: appraise for that sweet +3 bonus, in this round you could take it say 8 times potentially, for a +24 to that skill, making you really great at it. And of course you could take craven X amount of times, and each use of it adds +1 to your damage/char level, but the -2 to your fear saves would stack as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zaq View Post

    You pick one feat and take it over and over, even if it doesn't let you normally do that? But you can skip taking a feat prior to when you take The Feat and gain benefits to meet prereqs (?), but they go away when you take The Feat? I truly do not understand where this is going.

    So for the benefit of everyone watching, can you please elaborate on just how this is intended to work?
    Quote Originally Posted by PrismCat21 View Post
    You're not even allowed the bonus feats. "Bonus feats from any source must still comply with being your only feat choice"
    If you receive a bonus feat from somewhere, that 'must' be your only feat. It seems o imply right after that line that you can 'choose' to not accept bonus feats, but it's only implication, not stated.

    Seems like taking THE FEAT multiple times does indeed stack with itself.

    Judging by jdizzlean's language patterns, I believe he 'means' to say that once you take your feat, you cannot gain 'additional' bonuses by deciding to not the the feat again. You'd still keep any previous bonuses you took by forgoing the feat.
    What it actually says however... *sigh*
    so here's a sample based on the skill focus appraise above.
    human fighter 1 - (feats) +1 BAB, +1 BAB (you lose the fighter bonus feat)
    fighter 2 - lose the bonus feat
    fighter 3 - +1 BAB
    fighter 4 - lose the bonus feat
    fighter 5
    fighter 6 - skill focus appraise, lose bonus feat
    fighter 9 - skill focus appraise
    fighter 12 -skill focus appraise
    fighter 15- skill focus appraise
    fighter 18- skill focus appraise

    you still retain whatever bonus's you chose to take in lieu of a feat in the beginning, you simply can't choose to go back and take them again after you've opted to finally take a feat, so in the example you can't say take skill focus at 6th, and then go back to taking +1 BAB on successive levels.


    as it's still early enough in this round, and it seems to be a much bigger sticking contention point than i thought, perhaps the ruling on bonus feats could be relaxed. if the chef's wish it, bonus feats could be used as pre-reqs (but still grant no other abilities). I would rather that it be a specific bonus feat that is spelled out in a class, rather then say the fighter that could pick from 20+ feats. I was really hoping not to have say multiple uses of whirlwind attack as that is a feat heavy chain to get to, but to highlight more interesting uses of "base feats".
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    Very interesting indeed... I already have a couple of different ideas for this!
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    ok, I'll pass; I prefer setups that make things that would be legal to play in games. It seems atypical for this competition to make explicitly non-raw stuff, but I don't follow this series that closely so maybe I just haven't noticed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zlefin View Post
    ok, I'll pass; I prefer setups that make things that would be legal to play in games. It seems atypical for this competition to make explicitly non-raw stuff, but I don't follow this series that closely so maybe I just haven't noticed.
    It's a bit of a deviation. Usually it's a theme that we build towards.

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    Ah, so everything stacks, and you can simply take the aforementioned bonuses until you qualify.##Seems simple to me, and actually I ahve a few ideas already.

    I for one really prefer the Special Rounds we had the last fe times, it makes one think in totally different ways than the normal Optimization.


    One question I ahve remaining: Say your Feat grants you +1 Other Ressource" (be it a Spell, Invocation, Maneuver or whatever), I assume in this case it does not ahve to be the SAME again and again, but you simply can take it as often as you like (Say extras Invocation Beguiling Influence, followed by Baleful Utteranc, yes?)?


    Yeah, got some NICE Ideas.^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by zlefin View Post
    ok, I'll pass; I prefer setups that make things that would be legal to play in games.
    Same here.

    Although I have one or two ideas that would still be RAW legal...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurbane View Post
    Same here.

    Although I have one or two ideas that would still be RAW legal...
    Would that earn one any actual points though?

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    Would that earn one any actual points though?
    Unsure, but I'd feel better about it.

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    Unsure, but I'd feel better about it.
    I apologize if it seemed as though I were disparaging the idea. I think it'd be cool to see something that was both RAW legal snd competition legal.

    I'm just not familiar enough with competition judging to know if such could/would earn points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unseenmage View Post
    I apologize if it seemed as though I were disparaging the idea. I think it'd be cool to see something that was both RAW legal snd competition legal.

    I'm just not familiar enough with competition judging to know if such could/would earn points.
    No offense taken at all.

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    Well, there are ways to do it legally (after all there are multiple choice feats that are the same feat every time) so that alone should not keep one from participating.

    WHat it will cost you in Power it would (were I to judge) be rewarded in Elegance. So why not simply try, if you have the time? ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdizzlean View Post
    If the chef's wish it, bonus feats could be used as pre-reqs (but still grant no other abilities). I would rather that it be a specific bonus feat that is spelled out in a class, rather then say the fighter that could pick from 20+ feats.
    On one hand, having more than one feat might be against the spirit of the round. On the other hand, relaxing the rules this way would open up more feasible concepts for showcasing any specific feat (instead of just showcasing a "base feat", as you put it).

    What I fear is a possibly lower turnout due to the restrictions, and, to a lesser degree, character builds that are already pretty competent* even without feats, but would be mechanically and/or thematically stronger with the addition of the feat.

    *stapling a powerful build to a theme isn't unique to this round, though, as even I am guilty of having done this before
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrayDeath View Post

    One question I ahve remaining: Say your Feat grants you +1 Other Ressource" (be it a Spell, Invocation, Maneuver or whatever), I assume in this case it does not ahve to be the SAME again and again, but you simply can take it as often as you like (Say extras Invocation Beguiling Influence, followed by Baleful Utteranc, yes?)?


    Yeah, got some NICE Ideas.^^
    Yes, unless the feat you're using specifically spells out something, you can select whatever from it, so for example, extra invocation would mean that you could pick a different invocation each time, or because of this rounds stipulation that it can apply to the same thing more then once, you could say take beguiling influence multiple times and each time would net another +6 to those skills.

    Quote Originally Posted by ben-zayb View Post
    On one hand, having more than one feat might be against the spirit of the round. On the other hand, relaxing the rules this way would open up more feasible concepts for showcasing any specific feat (instead of just showcasing a "base feat", as you put it).

    What I fear is a possibly lower turnout due to the restrictions, and, to a lesser degree, character builds that are already pretty competent* even without feats, but would be mechanically and/or thematically stronger with the addition of the feat.

    *stapling a powerful build to a theme isn't unique to this round, though, as even I am guilty of having done this before
    i'm willing to give it until friday this week for an unofficial vote. should one not take place, the original restriction will stand
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    The only reason I would want the proposed change is to meet prerequisites. If I wanted to showcase a feat, I would want to take prestige classes, or feats, that enhance that specific feat. Power attack is nearly impossible to showcase, unless you take the prestige classes that boost it, or the feats that help it out. At least being able to select other feats and let them not do anything would allow us prestige classes.
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    I feel like telling the ghost of Gary Gygax to hold your beer is a good way to suddenly stop being the GM, but I have to admit that this would probably be remarkably effective. At what, I dunno, but effective.
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    Would that earn one any actual points though?
    It certainly would from me.
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    I've found something I can work with, and the build is coming along nicely.

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    Alright, if you wish it, bonus feats can be taken to qualify for your feat of choice, but they grant no specific value to the build beyond that. it must be a specific bonus feat, not a "choose from x amount of feats" as a bonus feat.
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    Well, got 2 Ideas, one of which is waiting for a clear yes or no answer regarding its viability with the very specific limitations of this round from the Chair, the other is ticking along nicely so far.
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    Quick question, is the OA 3.5 update in dragon 318 allowed as a source?

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