DragonBallITP OOC VI: The Asylum for Omnipotent Nutcases

[Rater202]

Fate is a cruel force. It cares not for ones personal feelings and goals.

That's because it doesn't exist and anyone who thinks it does is just making excuses.

[Lord Raziere]

That's because it doesn't exist and anyone who thinks it does is just making excuses.

okay.

the whole Beerus and him meeting a saiyan god sort of is like, there with a prophet in Dragon Ball, but okay. you probably have some explanation that ike, makes you right or whatever.

to be honest, I'm not sure what direction to take this, since every move I seem to make is the wrong one for you, so I'm not sure what the right move is here, I was just trying to do something thematic and in keeping in character with Kurumo, but okay.

I'm just tired right now, not sure how to make it fun or engaging.

[Rater202]

Seeing possible futures isn't the same as seeing fate.

For example, we know for a fact that in Future Trunks Timeline, Lord Beerus never came to Earth and fought the Super Saiyan God--Goku wa slong dead by then and Beerus' arrival would have been before the time period of The Origin of Trunks.

We also know that the Super Saiyan God ritual couldn't be completed as there were only two Saiyans in the entire universe at the time and then one died.

However, Lord Berus received the prophecy decades ago, possibly even before the Frieza destroyed Planet Vegeta, and all other changes to the timeline are the result of either Future Trunks or Cell, so Beerus must have still received the prophecy in that timeline.

Ergo, there's at least one timeline where the Oracle Fish was wrong.

I don't mind Kurumo thinking that Fate exists and acting as such, but when you introduce pre-determination it makes things needlessly complicated.

For example, Kurumo only sees futures where he either kills Jade or the universe ends.

If he's only seeing possible futures, then there's no problem.

But if he's seeing fate, then either Jade Dies or the Universe ends. Everything else would be a complete asspull.

[Lord Raziere]

Okay, I've edited it then.

Kurumo is just meditating trying to think of what to do now, not sure because he isn't a person who acts without some certainty he can rely upon.

[Rater202]

You didn't have to edit it.

Kurumo acting as an unfeeling agent of 'Fate' could have easily been justified as him having driven himself mad via the existential crisis he was having.

[Lord Raziere]

You didn't have to edit it.

Kurumo acting as an unfeeling agent of 'Fate' could have easily been justified as him having driven himself mad via the existential crisis he was having.

oh.

I can edit it again to be more clear about that.....sorry...

[Rater202]

Don't apologize.

I feel like I'm pushing you around or something. I'm just...

Look, I don't like including pre-determination in games, okay.

[Lord Raziere]

Don't apologize.

I feel like I'm pushing you around or something. I'm just...

Look, I don't like including pre-determination in games, okay.

Okay. I'm sorry, I'm just not sure how to do things when I ruined your fun with Oxyribo.

I'll keep that in mind. technically the only one in that post that WAS predestining was Kurumo himself by giving into Fate before the edit to make him just going quietly mad, all else was possibilities, but best to remove Fate entirely to not open a can of worms I guess, and just kind of.....write off Shanakan and Kurumo's Sidereal Exalted-esque antics as some kind of luck manipulation? hm.

[Rater202]

I've been operating on the assumption that it's looking into possible futures and manipulating probability.

Edit: Apparently at somepoint, Toriyama said that Saiyan Hybrids with Tails are less potentially powerful than Hybrids born without tails.

[Lord Raziere]

I've been operating on the assumption that it's looking into possible futures and manipulating probability.

They do. your right.

but y'know Sidereal weirdness and....not exactly sure how one manipulates the probabilities of something on the level of a DBZ fight, exactly? like, in a normal fight with that kind of power, you manipulate probability so that the environment turns against the foe in various ways, but with DBZ fights, it gets hard, because so much of that is eliminated: can't make you trip on a stone, your probably so powerful that you break the stone instead, can't make a beam misfire and hit somewhere else instead because of the physics of a DBZ beam pretty much means it will fly out into space in a straight line with little room for uncertainty to make it change directions, things like that. so its a bit hard to figure out ways to make such things work sometimes.

[Rater202]

increase the odds of them missing or lose control.

Or a random meteor strike.

The VN Tsukihime(by the same guy who did Fate/Stay Night) has a power called Marble Phantasm wherein one can make anything happen as long as it's possible in reality and the odds of that happening are greater than Zero--temporarily conjuring matter from nothing(Permanently conjuring matter from nothing is an order of magnitude greater) becuase the probability of that happening wasgreater than zero.

In more humous spin-offs, it's used to transform into a Magical Girl with all the powers that entails.

And it works by probability manipulation.

[igordragonian]

Sorry to nag, not sure how to reply without crushing anyone's storyline.


And wasn't sure if I am supposed to reply to Kuromo's...

Should I mention situations I have imagined in Trombone's arc that would he dangerouse?

[Lord Raziere]

Should I mention situations I have imagined in Trombone's arc that would he dangerouse?

if he gets defeated, he won't be problem.

so if Kurumo gets truly redeemed (he was always meant to be a tricky foe and full of ambiguities), the way to take care of it so he is out of the plot, is probably to Worf him for Trombone's entrance scene, have Trombone suddenly come out of nowhere first post, Kurumo to express surprise at not foreseeing him and getting defeated easily. his entire ability hold back Trombone long ago was his mind, not his body.

@Rater; also forgot to reply to Diamond, will have to do that next post at least, also check up how the fusion bracelet is going. y'know the thing that Diamond offered to make Jade back before the orc invasion began?

also that fate power sounds like good, I'll name "Fate Art: Summon Improbable Event" when Kurumo uses it.

[igordragonian]

I see, till not sure how to reply.
what are we doing with Vodkana and Tarasai?

[Lord Raziere]

I see, till not sure how to reply.
what are we doing with Vodkana and Tarasai?

I thought we were done and just going into repetitive practice stuff that can be timeskipped over, unless there was more you had in mind?

I think we're kind of in a weird place where its not clear how everyone can contribute and we just...not having much direction and I'm not sure what direction to try help us along.

[igordragonian]

eh, just muttering character devolpment and yada yada, I am ready to skip to..

[Rater202]

Android 10

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Name: Android 10
Age: Roughly 10, biologically speaking.
Gender: Girl.
Height: Four foot four
Weight: Wha tmakes the most sense at the time.
Species: Bio-Android(Literally everything)
Station: Just kind of there.

Description:

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Android 10 looks like a little girl with east Asian features, big bright green eyes, and a button nose. Her hair is shoulder length and is usually kept bound in a ponytail or left straight. She dresses in a variety of outfits that no one is sure where she gets them from.

In her true form, her skin turns gold with blue tiger-stripe patterns om her arms, legs. Her ears become pointed and her hair, eyes, and nails turn blue. She also grows adorable little fangs and a long, tapered tail not unlike an Arcosion's though somewhat narrower at the base. In this form, she dresses in a typical Majin girl's top and knee-length puffy white shorts. No gloves or shoes.

Personality:

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Android 10 likes fun and hugs.

History:

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Android 10 was created by Doctor Magenta as a weapon for revenge against the Rebel Alliance from countless DNA samples and a Saiyan blooded child. It's ambiguous if she's the child modified or a fabricated existence based on the child's appearance and brain waves.

Story So Far:

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Woke up in Diamond's lab.

Abilities:

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PL: It's either really low or really, really high. It's hard to tell sometimes

Limitless Stamina: Android 10 has literally infinite Stamina, Ki, Life Force, and all other energies due to a combination of modifications and inherant factors from her component races.

Black Hole Tummy: Android 10 is constantly hungry. She can be satisfied, but is never, ever truly full and is always physically capable of eating more.

Practical Immortality: Android 10 does not age(though she's capable of maturation,) her cells repair themselves perfectly down to the genetic level at a rate many times faster than they accrue damage, and in general she does not seem to be negatively impacted by entropy. This, combined with enhanced durability from many sources, the Majin race's ability to recreate and reconstitute their molecules and countless healing factors make her practically indestructible barring intervention by a God of Destruction.

Being of Chaos: Genetic Donors with a variety of mystical or reality warping abillities have resulted in Android 10 having a mystical presence that renders them categorically unpredictable to magic or psychic attempts to predict her actions. Attempts to read her fate or predict her future by supernatural means automatically fail, barring literal, absolute omniscience being in play. This has no effect on the people around her.

Absorption: As a phase two Bio-Android, android 10 can drain energy with a touch, absorb cells with a touch to gain your techniques and DNA, or transform people into candy or treats with magic and eat them to absorb all of their power and techniques in one go. She can also drain ambient psychic energy from the environment. She may also be able to absorb technology, but she doesn't know and has never tried to.

Impossible Anatomy: Is impossibly flexible and can stretch to an absurd degree, just like a Majin.

Fighty Stuff: Having the cells and energy of countless fighters means she'd be really, really good at any and every form if it if she actually bothered to do it.

Energy Stuff: The cells of countless beings means that she can instinctively use countless ki techniques, magic spells of various kinds, and psychic powers. too bad she never fights.

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Has access to a pocket reality full of all sorts of crap. Mostly clothes.

[igordragonian]

Waitwaitwait.
So, she is also from the future ? When and how she arrived? What has been decided about Oxy?
Why andorid 10? Isn't it an exisitng character in Dragon Ball?

[Rater202]

She's from Oxy and Diamond's timeline.

How she got here is deliberately ambiguous since the quarantine means I can't really follow up on that Magenta plot that I set up before I left the first time.

Oxy and Poka are going to be semi-retired until either we reach a higher level of average power or trombone is dealt with.

Android 10 is probably a canon character, but here it's short for "Bio-Android Phase 2 RP-10"

[Lord Raziere]

what I'm seeing is that Android 10 is probably something closer to a joke character similar to Arale than not. I would not worry about it too much.

unless I'm wrong, Rater?

[Rater202]

Comic Relief. Adorableness. Being the kid of the group. Occasional Non-Combat Support roles.

If she's fighting, something's gone wrong.

[Rater202]

For the record, Android 10 is based semi-loosely on Ashley O'Leary, a marvel comics OC of mine.

I mentioned her when Raz had a hostile Klyntar Symbiote as one of the subjects in the depths.

Mixed Irish and East Asian ancestry(I don't know what that amounts to in Dragon World since it has different geography and unless you're black or some kind of Indian everyone looks the same) Klyntar symbiote with DNA from multiple heroes and villains.

Combining multiple powersets and being adorable and friendly despite essentially being an eldritch abomination is the key thing to take away.

[igordragonian]

okie dokie, tnx for explaining

[igordragonian]

hate to do this....mmmm
but the road serpent was killed, but maybe it's easily fixed...
sorry sorry
deskslam*

[Lord Raziere]

hate to do this....mmmm
but the road serpent was killed, but maybe it's easily fixed...
sorry sorry
deskslam*

they didn't actually kill it, they just.....whapped at it a little, unsure of Solituses sanity and brought back a bunch of spines, since its like, they may be people from hell but its not as if they're up for destroying anything just because.

@ Rater: as for Solituses PL, no, it hasn't changed at all. its not constantly rising. he just trained really hard for twelve years while dead to achieve the power and techniques he currently has, and just hasn't been showing his true power until pushed to do so, much like any other overconfident villain in DBZ. his ability to learn things at an astonishing rate is separate from his PL.

[Rater202]

Oxy doesn't know that.

All he knows is that Solitus is a manchild who became absurdly powerful to an absolutely unfair degree when most people in the same circumstances would have been unable to and has a bunch of absurd abillities.

Ergo, Oxy is abusing the Hell out of the time Chamber's gravity training to get as strong as possible with the ultimate goal of crushing Solitus before he can get any more powerful with sheer overwhelming force.

He's not gonna get to, but he's operating off of the information he has available to him.

[igordragonian]

So the Dishanna Vs Cooking battalion is out of cannon now?
I am fine with it, just want to know. Because Dishanna and Spoon are relevant. At least for Vodkana

[Lord Raziere]

So the Dishanna Vs Cooking battalion is out of cannon now?
I am fine with it, just want to know. Because Dishanna and Spoon are relevant. At least for Vodkana

I just assumed it completed itself rather than become non-canon. we don't do retcons. either complete anything that doesn't involve interacting with other players quickly or don't do them at all.

[igordragonian]

I just assumed it completed itself rather than become non-canon. we don't do retcons. either complete anything that doesn't involve interacting with other players quickly or don't do them at all.

I don't get it, but whatevers, I'll reply

[Rater202]

Orkomajin 45 looks like Green "Android 21" version of Berade, right?