OOTS #1153 - The Discussion Thread

[Peelee]

I said "the USA doesn't have an official language," didn't I? Why do you need to invent nits to pick?
If this had been framed as a Fun Fact or something, it would be fine, but you're framing it as a nitpick, so we have problems now.

Fair point. My bad.

Is there some reason to believe that she doesnt think Hilgya greatly overreacted? The evidence strongly suggests that she does not appreciate hearing about how Hilgya literally killed Durkon.

We just saw her entire frame of reference. Which is to say, not much.

[The Pilgrim]

looks at Durkon and Belkar

I'd rather look at Roy and Belkar. That's how Roy kept the psychopathic midget barely under control until Belkar realized he should begin to fake character development in order to avoid getting killed. What Durkon did wouldn't have worked with Belkar before he had his epiphany at Greysky City. An epiphany that was only posible because Shojo's Mark of Justice turned Belkar into a vulnerable weakling.

[Peelee]

I'd rather look at Roy and Belkar. That's how Roy kept the psychopathic midget barely under control until Belkar realized he should begin to fake character development in order to avpid getting killed. What Durkon did wouldn't have worked with Belkar before he had his epiphany at Greysky City.

And yet Belkar is still CE after Greysky City so your first point doesn't really seem accurate.

[The Extinguisher]

Wow The_Weirdo hasn't even posted in the thread yet and already theres two posts just directly dumping on him. Yall sure know how to make a forum seem welcoming and inviting

[hamishspence]

Wow The_Weirdo hasn't even posted in the thread yet

He's posted a couple of times already:

So Hilgya didn't harm Sigdi and they both reached an... Understanding.

Seems cool. Guess Kudzu will get to have both parents and a granny in his life, after all.

An awesome granny.

Prediction: with Sigdi's help, Hilgya and Durkon settle things more or less amicably, one of them - about 60-40 Hilgya herself - Regenerates Sigdi's arm and, while Durkok is off saving the world, Hilgya accepts Sigdi's help taking care of Kudzu while defining her own boundaries, which Sigdi respects (and tells Durkon in no uncertain terms to).

[The_Weirdo]

Wow The_Weirdo hasn't even posted in the thread yet and already theres two posts just directly dumping on him. Yall sure know how to make a forum seem welcoming and inviting

I actually have posted, twice. To the tune of saying Sigdi is awesome and predicting things will basically turn out all right with her help. Also, where are they dumping on me? I only saw one allusion, by Fyraltari, and it's not an offensive one.

[wesleytj]

I know it's fresh so that induces bias, but I still think it's safe for me to say that #1153 is firmly in my top 5 all time OOTS installments. Just perfect in every way. Bravo.

[Talion]

Great comic!

So, with her not so thinly veiled threat in mind, what are the odds that Granma Sigdi has "Improved Unarmed Strike"?

...I'll see myself out.

[The Pilgrim]

And yet Belkar is still CE after Greysky City so your first point doesn't really seem accurate.

Belkar has improved a lot and is on the good track. Hilgya is still firmly rooted in the CE philosophy.

[Peelee]

Belkar has improved a lot and is on the good track. Hilgya is still firmly rooted in the CE philosophy.

So Belkar is no longer CE? He sure seems to be to me. If you want to lump all CE people in the same basket, which with your second sentence, does still seem to be the case.

[The_Weirdo]

Belkar has improved a lot and is on the good track. Hilgya is still firmly rooted in the CE philosophy.

Belkar kills an undoubtedly innocent gnome. People laugh.

Hilgya bankrupts a ring of sex traffickers. People call her evil.

[johnbragg]

Without bothering to check, I'm gonna assume it's due to Natives and their own languages.

More like it was never necessary to say so. States also don't declare oxygen as the official respiratory chemical either.

Except for Louisiana, no state entered the union without a significant anglophone majority. Indian languages weren't considered--if the tribe in question was considered remotely protected by / governed by white/Anglo/British common law, they were probably operating in English. (Five Civilized Tribes excepted, and we know how that went.)

[Fyraltari]

Wow The_Weirdo hasn't even posted in the thread yet and already theres two posts just directly dumping on him. Yall sure know how to make a forum seem welcoming and inviting

If that's meant for me:
One I knew that The Weirdo would take it on good spirit. Case in point:

I actually have posted, twice. To the tune of saying Sigdi is awesome and predicting things will basically turn out all right with her help. Also, where are they dumping on me? I only saw one allusion, by Fyraltari, and it's not an offensive one.

Two, he joined 13 years ago, I don't think he needs welcoming anymore.

[137beth]

Sigdi is definintely my favorite of the Order's parents.

[Snails]

Can we please stop pretending that we're not projecting our judgements of Hilgya onto Sigdi?

Our personal judgements, the ones that were based on previous comics, and prejudiced us to believe that Sidgi would consider possible lethal measures, once she found out that Hilgya killed Durkon? Are those the ones will should forget about?

Why?

Sidgi made a clever little death threat, with interesting bits of innuendo woven in. The listeners, Hilgya and the Readers, are supposed to speculate what Sidgi is thinking. THAT is the intention on Sidgi's part. If we do not speculate, we are choosing not to pay attention.

[Resileaf]

More like it was never necessary to say so. States also don't declare oxygen as the official respiratory chemical either.

I have it on good authority that states will declare anything as "The official state ____" if they can.

[Peelee]

More like it was never necessary to say so. States also don't declare oxygen as the official respiratory chemical either.

Except for Louisiana, no state entered the union without a significant anglophone majority.

Theres a good chance I'll lose money on this, but five gold says Hawaii had more Hawaiian speakers than English speakers at statehood.

[The_Weirdo]

Two, he joined 13 years ago, I don't think he needs welcoming anymore.

Everyone needs welcoming. And hugs. And complimentary créme brulée.

That said, Extinguisher, I thank you for doing your best to make this forum welcoming in general.

[tyckspoon]

More like it was never necessary to say so. States also don't declare oxygen as the official respiratory chemical either.

BRB, going to write to my state rep proposing this.

[King of Nowhere]

This reminds me a lot of O-Chul's comment to Belkar:

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0666.html

and Bandana's comment to Andi:

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1079.html

comboing forgiveness of sorts, with a well-pointed threat.

good connection.
single offenders get a chance at redemption, but patience won't be abused

[Fyraltari]

Everyone needs welcoming. And hugs. And complimentary créme brulée.

That said, Extinguisher, I thank you for doing your best to make this forum welcoming in general.

crème.
Good point.

[The_Weirdo]

crème.
Good point.

Thanks.

So, well... Send me some crème brulée.

[Fizzgig]

Wow! Sigdi punched someone's tooth out just for proposing! I never realized she was Evil!

*heh*

Caught you trollin'

(Geezz I how you are trolling)

[The_Weirdo]

Wow! Sigdi punched someone's tooth out just for proposing! I never realized she was Evil!

And she was never forcibly married that we know of. So what's her excuse?

[Fyraltari]

Thanks.

So, well... Send me some crème brulée.

So, are you going to ask me food every time we discuss? Because I should warn you I'm a terrible cook.

[SilverCacaobean]

Sigdi is the character I like most in the comic and she keeps proving why. She's doing the best for Kudzu by not escalating the drama with Hilgya and I think that one threat will keep Higlya's murderous tendencies in check. They'll probably get along despite that. It's best for Kudzu to have both parents alive and well, after all. I'm sure they'll reach an understanding about how to raise him. Sigdi made it very clear that she'll have an active role in raising him as soon as she saw him. Durkon could take a lesson or two about diplomacy from his old Ma! Love his expressions throughout the strip.

From what we've heard about Hoskin I think he must have gotten a little too pushy at some point which earned him a solid punch, but he then got the message.

toxic femininity

I've never heard of a thing called "toxic femininity" but if it exists, it ain't that and it has nothing to do with resorting to violence over marriage proposals. Calling this behaviour "toxic femininity" is just gender flipping "toxic masculinity" without understanding what it means and calling it a day.

GreatWyrmGold has also replied to this comment, elaborated more, and tried to make more sense of it than I ever would but he hid it inside two spoilers, so... here, in case you missed it.

[Peelee]

So, are you going to ask me food every time we discuss? Because I should warn you I'm a terrible cook.

You don't need to say that, you already have France tagged as your location. I kid, y'all outdid yourselves with crème brulée. Unless it turns out that was the English, of course.

[The_Weirdo]

So, are you going to ask me food every time we discuss? Because I should warn you I'm a terrible cook.

1- Yes, yes I will.
2- You don't need to cook it if you simply buy it.

[MartianInvader]

Belkar kills an undoubtedly innocent gnome. People laugh.

Hilgya bankrupts a ring of sex traffickers. People call her evil.

Look, Hilgya commited evil acts, so we know she's evil.

Disproporitionate violence in response to a marriage proposal is evil. So Hilgya is evil just like Sigdi. Stealing is evil, so she's evil just like Haley. Considering violence against your family is evil, so she's gotta be almost as evil as Elan (and probably Roy). And disproportionate revenge is evil, so she's evil like V.

Reading the arguments on these forums about Hilgya's alignment has enlightened me. I now see that the world of OOTS is just O-Chul slogging through a world of pure evil in which everyone else is evil.

[The_Weirdo]

Look, Hilgya commited evil acts, so we know she's evil.

Disproporitionate violence in response to a marriage proposal is evil. So Hilgya is evil just like Sigdi. Stealing is evil, so she's evil just like Haley. Considering violence against your family is evil, so she's gotta be almost as evil as Elan (and probably Roy). And disproportionate revenge is evil, so she's evil like V.

Reading the arguments on these forums about Hilgya's alignment has enlightened me. I now see that the world of OOTS is just O-Chul slogging through a world of pure evil in which everyone else is evil.

You forgot Lien.