Class and Level Geekery XVI - These Characters May Now Drive the Plot

[Peelee]

what is Xykons subclass anyway?

3.5 doesn't have subclasses.

[Jasdoif]

what is Xykons subclass anyway?

Subclasses aren't really a thing in 3rd edition. Some classes come with options vaguely like what subclasses do (like a ranger's choice between archery or two-weapon fighting for their combat style), and alternate class features (that let you replace a standard ability for your class with something different) exist; but there's not a real "these are all common variants of the class" concept for sorcerers.

[Quartz]

I'd be somewhat more moved if there was anything else from Races of the Dragon used in Order of the Stick...or if this wasn't using a feat from a 3.5 book to explain a scene in a 3.0 prequel, but that's fairly minor in my opinion.

SoD was published after 3.5.

[Peelee]

SoD was published after 3.5.

The first strip has the world transition from 3e to 3.5. SoD takes place before strip 1.

[Jasdoif]

SoD was published after 3.5.

As was On the Origin of PCs, which specifically calls out using that it's using the 3.0 rules because it's a prequel.

[danielxcutter]

As was On the Origin of PCs, which specifically calls out using that it's using the 3.0 rules because it's a prequel.

...huh, really? TIL.

[Jasdoif]

...huh, really?

Spoiler: On the Origin of PCs, pg. 44

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I thought dwarves didn't suffer a movement reduction in heavy armor.
This be a prequel, you fool! We're still under 3.0 rules!
Oh, right.

[Quartz]

The first strip has the world transition from 3e to 3.5. SoD takes place before strip 1.

Right, but there's nothing 3.5E specific about the feat.

[b_jonas]

Some classes come with […] alternate class features (that let you replace a standard ability for your class with something different) exist

Xykon may have one of those though, specifically an alternate class feature where he does not have a familiar, but has some other advantage instead.

[Peelee]

Xykon may have one of those though, specifically an alternate class feature where he does not have a familiar, but has some other advantage instead.

Like Metamagic Specialist, for example?

[zimmerwald1915]

Like Metamagic Specialist, for example?

It'd explain a lot. . . but did it exist in 3.0?

[Peelee]

It'd explain a lot. . . but did it exist in 3.0?

Doubt it, but unsure.

[Rogar Demonblud]

No, Metamagic Specialist is in the PHB2, which was post-revision.

[danielxcutter]

Oh yeah, and could have burned some of 10th, 11th, and 12th-level slots to cast Energy Drains too - while he might have been better served metamagicking some of them, I think at least part of the point of that sequence was "I can spam Energy Drains way more times than you have high-level slots - or levels, for that matter".

[Wizard_Lizard]

Subclasses aren't really a thing in 3rd edition. Some classes come with options vaguely like what subclasses do (like a ranger's choice between archery or two-weapon fighting for their combat style), and alternate class features (that let you replace a standard ability for your class with something different) exist; but there's not a real "these are all common variants of the class" concept for sorcerers.

great... now I am going to have to read 3.0 rules, 3.5 rules, AND stay upto date on 5e aswell!

[Rogar Demonblud]

Nah. Just use D20SRD.org to look stuff up as needed, since most of the things we discuss are core.

[Wizard_Lizard]

Nah. Just use D20SRD.org to look stuff up as needed, since most of the things we discuss are core.

Ok. Thank you!

[hamishspence]

Nah. Just use D20SRD.org to look stuff up as needed, since most of the things we discuss are core.

It also provides large quantities of non-core content - from Epic Handbook, Deities & Demigods, Unearthed Arcana, and Expanded Psionics Handbook.

[Gluteus_Maximus]

The source on Sabine's DR 10/Cold Iron or Good is out of date and probably should be replaced with #849 where she explicitly states she's a Demon rather than a Devil and thus has vulnerability to Cold Iron. The old source presumably was used to assume that she took damage from the Cold Iron simply because she grabbed at the Cold Iron one.

[danielxcutter]

The source on Sabine's DR 10/Cold Iron or Good is out of date and probably should be replaced with #849 where she explicitly states she's a Demon rather than a Devil and thus has vulnerability to Cold Iron. The old source presumably was used to assume that she took damage from the Cold Iron simply because she grabbed at the Cold Iron one.

Except Succubi specifically have DR 10/Cold Iron or Good; it's in the SRD.

[D.One]

Except Succubi specifically have DR 10/Cold Iron or Good; it's in the SRD.

And we learnt here and here that Sabine was a Succubus that worked for IFCC.

[knag]

Can we deduce Durkon's current level by calculating the area of the Ramp of Stone?

[tyckspoon]

Can we deduce Durkon's current level by calculating the area of the Ramp of Stone?

Theoretically, yes, although it'd be difficult to do without any firm reference point for sizes to calculate with.

[MultitudeMan]

Can we deduce Durkon's current level by calculating the area of the Ramp of Stone?

I think there's been a lot of XP tracking that confirms that Durkon probably can't be level 14 now, after those two returns from death. He's pretty certainly at least 13, due to the reference to him casting Regenerate in #1162. Therefore, the question of his level is fairly settled anyway.

[danielxcutter]

Could the Exarrgh be an Archivist?

[Jasdoif]

Could the Exarrgh be an Archivist?

The Exarch could possibly be an archivist without his prayerbook, I suppose; being unable to prepare new spells might explain the scroll dependency. Or maybe it's a darkvisible prayerbook, which is why we haven't seen it.

[Squire Doodad]

The Exarch could possibly be an archivist without his prayerbook, I suppose; being unable to prepare new spells might explain the scroll dependency. Or maybe it's a darkvisible prayerbook, which is why we haven't seen it.

He was supposed to be a Mystic, but it was bumped from FFTA2 so he had to do *something* with all those books and tomes.

[MultitudeMan]

I know this was probably covered years ago, but why is Elan listed as reaching level 15 in strip #860? I get that we have evidence for Belkar due to his being deafened by the Holy Word, but Elan isn't even in that strip!

[Emanick]

I know this was probably covered years ago, but why is Elan listed as reaching level 15 in strip #860? I get that we have evidence for Belkar due to his being deafened by the Holy Word, but Elan isn't even in that strip!

Nale is Elan's evil opposite, so both siblings are the same level. Therefore, since Nale is demonstrated to be level 15 in that strip, so is Elan.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

Nale is Elan's evil opposite, so both siblings are the same level. Therefore, since Nale is demonstrated to be level 15 in that strip, so is Elan.

Is that really all there is to it? Because that logic is extremely suspect. Evil opposites are not the same thing as personal nemesis, which is what gives Crystal free experience. And Pompeo didn't suddenly gain a bunch of levels when Nale declared him to be the Evil Opposite of V.

Grey Wolf