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Thread: Reach Question
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2007-09-25, 02:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Reach Question
Okay so I am making a Large Character with the Monkey Grip feat, while wielding a Spiked Chain. I am in a discussion with my DM about the reach portion of the weapon. What would the reach be and why? Also assuming that I am able to get enlarged with the spell, what is it then?
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2007-09-25, 02:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Reach Question
The reach would be 5' through 20'. Monkey grip doesn't change the actual reach of a weapon - that's determined by your size rather than the weapon's.
A large creature wielding a large weapon threatens at 5' and 10'. A large creature wielding a large reach weapon threatens at 15' and 20'. The spiked chain is unique in that it threatens both the "close" squares and the "reach" squares, so it'd be 5' through 20'.John Ling
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2007-09-25, 02:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Reach Question
But the Monkey Grip allows a weapon to be one size larger. So instead of a Lg Weapon it would be a Huge sized weapon, then Colossal sized when enlarged.
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2007-09-25, 02:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Reach Question
Doesn't matter. The size of the weapon isn't relevant to the reach it provides, just the natural reach of the creature in question.
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2007-09-25, 02:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Reach Question
About the enlargement:
If you become huge, your natural reach should go to 15'. You are wielding a reach weapon that can also strike close, so anything within 30' is fair game."It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
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2007-09-25, 02:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-09-25, 02:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-09-25, 02:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Reach Question
Last edited by Zherog; 2007-09-25 at 02:59 PM.
John Ling
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2007-09-25, 02:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-09-25, 03:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Reach Question
Sorry that is what I meant a melee with reach. That sucks, but clears it up. Thanks!!
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2007-09-25, 03:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Reach Question
If you want the logic: let's say a Medium human has monkey-grip to carry a Large flagpole (don't judge me). Sure, he can lift it. But can he hit anything worth a damn at the end of the 10' flagpole?
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2007-09-25, 03:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Reach Question
Yes he could, just not as effectivy as a someone that is bigger. Hence the -2 penality. I keep seeing it as doing more damage and also harder to hit because it is so large.
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2007-09-25, 03:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yes, he could hit them. Yes, he could damage them. But could he manouvre it from 10 feet away to pierce gaps in armour or get under someone's guard? Could he move it quickly enough to do that and do it fast enough to do it while someone runs past you? Just wielding something that big is an achievement.
I'm not saying it's logical, it's just the logic I think they used in the feat.
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2007-09-25, 03:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Good Point. I keep thinking of a normal 5~6 foot person as a Med Character, and anyone that is over 7 feet tall, as a large Character. But I can see the logic that they used when creating the feat, but I still cannot see it with the Spiked chain, the description says that you are able to attack in the 5 feet next to you. BUT I will go with the thoughts and evidence put out in the thread.
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2007-09-25, 03:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Reach Question
The primary benefit of the monkey grip feat is that you gain some extra damage at the expense of accuracy. Considering that power attack already does the same thing better, there is little reason to take the feat. Little bonuses, such as large weapons having more hp and what not, are simply not worth it.
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