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2019-03-01, 04:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1157 - The Discussion Thread.
How does the Exarch know Durkula died? The vampiress in blue fled before Belkar staked Durkula.
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2019-03-01, 04:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1157 - The Discussion Thread.
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Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
Number of times Roland St. Jude has sworn revenge upon me: 2
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2019-03-01, 04:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1157 - The Discussion Thread.
Both books and SRD refer to "undead creatures", so undead are RAW creatures.
Healing spells are definitely using a spell on a creature (they are also an attack, since you have to initiate a touch attack to land one on an unwilling subject).
Turn Undead is a supernatural ability.
AoE is less cut and dry, though I would bet that "attack with a fireball" is somewhere in the 3.5 rules.
I don't think the way around this is going to come from loopholes inside the room.
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2019-03-01, 04:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1157 - The Discussion Thread.
Oh, I see, you were thinking about the effects of the law-spell. Whereas I was thinking of the effect on Dvalin's vote -- if the council's vote is invalid, then Dvalin would ignore it. (Admittedly, this might require quickly finding a dwarven judge to issue an injunction. :P ) Yes I'm assuming you would not both have such a law and such a spell.
Though in this case it's not actually deadly, as the effect of the spell is temporary. Actually it's not clear that the law would turn anyone to stone at all -- I'm not talking about a law that casting a coerced vote is illegal, but rather a law that a coerced vote is invalid, i.e., doesn't count towards the total. The only way to violate that, I guess, would be for the council chair to record the tally incorrectly. And again the result is still temporary.The Order of the Stick death pool thread -- place your bets! (Yes, it's still ongoing and maintained.)
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2019-03-01, 04:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-03-01, 04:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1157 - The Discussion Thread.
The Order of the Stick death pool thread -- place your bets! (Yes, it's still ongoing and maintained.)
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2019-03-01, 04:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-03-01, 04:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1157 - The Discussion Thread.
Because Dvalin is a demigod, meaning we cannot ascribe the exact powers that full gods like Thor has, so despite your insistence he could easily not be able to simply "look down" and see what's going on (and, given that Hel, a full god, seems to think the plan will work, and she knows more about the world they're in than you do, I would gamble against anything you have to say vis a vis the current plan only working due to idiot balls or plot holes), we have no idea whether he can or not.
Of course, you ignore "the will of the council is represented by the vote of the council," so I'm not terribly invested in thinking you'll change your mind, but hey, I can still lob it over the plate for you even if you refuse to swing.Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2019-03-01, 04:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1157 - The Discussion Thread.
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2019-03-01, 04:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1157 - The Discussion Thread.
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2019-03-01, 04:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1157 - The Discussion Thread.
I don't quite understand why you would react so aggressively to a simple question, while also putting lots of stuff I never said in my mouth.
You made an assumption that has no grounds, as Dvalin doesn't necessarily need to be there physically since he is a divine presence.
Also you're incorrect, there's no indication that the will of the council is represented by the vote of the council, at least not by the informations given to us by the comic.
These are just assumptions of yours, which I do not share.
A coerced vote is not the will of the voter, after all.
If Dvalin is not utterly inept at his oath he should have a modicum of due diligence in making sure no manipulation is at hand, regardless of the safeguards the mortal put in place. Apparently he does not, which doesn't remove the idiot ball in the least to me.
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2019-03-01, 04:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1157 - The Discussion Thread.
Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
Number of times Roland St. Jude has sworn revenge upon me: 2
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2019-03-01, 04:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1157 - The Discussion Thread.
There is one that we already know works in OotS - victims can free themselves from a dominate, no magic required. So all the OotS have to do is give them a nudge, or convince them that what they're about to vote on would be against their nature as dwarves - which doesn't seem that hard, and a good setup for a dramatic speech by one of the order (likely Durkon or possibly Hilgya.)
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2019-03-01, 04:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1157 - The Discussion Thread.
How deliciously evil! Wonderful comic!
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2019-03-01, 04:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1157 - The Discussion Thread.
I feel like those boundaries should be in the other order.
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2019-03-01, 04:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1157 - The Discussion Thread.
'Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! “The day has come! Behold, people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!" And all those who heard his great voice echo in the hills answered, crying:'Auta i lómë!" The night is passing!"
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2019-03-01, 04:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1157 - The Discussion Thread.
Between this chamber and the Godsmoot, we are seeing how lawful people can be beaten by their own rules. Nice!
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2019-03-01, 04:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1157 - The Discussion Thread.
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2019-03-01, 04:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1157 - The Discussion Thread.
Of course, you ignore "the will of the council is represented by the vote of the council," so I'm not terribly invested in thinking you'll change your mind, but hey, I can still lob it over the plate for you even if you refuse to swing.
I am swinging, and hitting the ball too. You just refuse to run after it.
No conclusive evidence has been provided by the comic so far on this matter so claiming that I'm "ignoring" stuff that doesn't exist is putting words in my mouth.Last edited by Ganbatte; 2019-03-01 at 05:27 PM.
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2019-03-01, 04:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1157 - The Discussion Thread.
'Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! “The day has come! Behold, people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!" And all those who heard his great voice echo in the hills answered, crying:'Auta i lómë!" The night is passing!"
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2019-03-01, 04:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1157 - The Discussion Thread.
'Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! “The day has come! Behold, people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!" And all those who heard his great voice echo in the hills answered, crying:'Auta i lómë!" The night is passing!"
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2019-03-01, 05:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-03-01, 05:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1157 - The Discussion Thread.
so only durkon and hilgya are going to be able to enter. and minrah, if she's raised in time.
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2019-03-01, 05:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1157 - The Discussion Thread.
I was hoping the puzzle would be solved by the forumites already - or at least a couple/three good possibilities.
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2019-03-01, 05:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1157 - The Discussion Thread.
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2019-03-01, 05:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1157 - The Discussion Thread.
The vampires not having a loophole in place to attack or kill Durkon/Hilgya/Minrah/The baby is going to bite them in the ass... unless they have a few spares they want to sacrifice. You know, each one vcould only get one attack in, but the good guys wouldn't be able to retaliate.
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2019-03-01, 05:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1157 - The Discussion Thread.
Can't the vampires just be killed to break their domination? Who needs dispel magic...
Edit: Nevermind, already brought up.Last edited by tufttugger; 2019-03-01 at 05:17 PM.
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2019-03-01, 05:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1157 - The Discussion Thread.
Curiously absent detail: Gontor doesn't say that the blue barrier prevents magic or attacks from working, only that the instigator would be turned to stone should they attempt it. So all it takes is one Greater Dispel Magic and Hel's plan is foiled, as long as whoever does the casting doesn't mind being out of commission for a minute while the meeting is wrapped up.
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2019-03-01, 05:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1157 - The Discussion Thread.
The 3.5 SRD says it's a spell-like ability. All of Bardic Music is either (Sp)ell-like or (Su)pernatural. Of course, as others have pointed out, Elan can't get inside to use it, and Song of Freedom only has a range of 30 feet.
My guess for the plot solution here is this part of the description of Dominate Person (which the vampire ability uses):
Subjects resist this control, and any subject forced to take actions against its nature receives a new saving throw with a +2 bonus. Obviously self-destructive orders are not carried out.
So basically that, yes, but I would argue that Roy making the save against the domination at the Godsmoot was just him making the initial saving throw, not getting dominated and then breaking free. Thanh's case is a textbook example of breaking domination due to being ordered to do something against your nature though.: "I forgot how much pain tends to hurt."
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2019-03-01, 05:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1157 - The Discussion Thread.
What about items, by the way?
Like Haley and all her wands, what if she gives Durkon or Hilgiya a wand of Break Enchantment or something?