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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Fullbladder, Master of Goblins View Post
    Folding laundry and listening to a book are using different sensory receptors, though. She's using the same bits of her brain to process the words, and see how a shirt folds properly. She's having the kind of difficulty you'd have trying to do it with just the one body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Fullbladder, Master of Goblins View Post
    Folding laundry and listening to a book are using different sensory receptors, though. She's using the same bits of her brain to process the words, and see how a shirt folds properly. She's having the kind of difficulty you'd have trying to do it with just the one body.
    I could definitely properly listen to a book while folding laundry, or doing dishes, or any similar activity that doesn't require all that much thinking, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Fullbladder, Master of Goblins View Post
    Folding laundry and listening to a book are using different sensory receptors, though. She's using the same bits of her brain to process the words, and see how a shirt folds properly. She's having the kind of difficulty you'd have trying to do it with just the one body.
    That's not what's happening. She's not having trouble reading or seeing the shirt. She's having trouble remembering who the character is and how to fold a shirt as well as fumbling her words and not realizing she should have Fox putting the shirt down before dismissing her.
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    It seems to be that something related to Magic's not-change is making it harder for Nanase to concentrate when using Fox.

    It's not so much stupidity as it is focus. Trust me, there's an infinity of difference between being too stupid to read and not being able to focus on the page.

    Also, I defy anyone who claims to be able to listen to a book on tape and fold laundry to do so, and then explain to me what was happening in the book a couple of hours later without listening to it again or otherwise cheating.

    For the vast majority of people, "multitasking" is impossible, you're just splitting your focus.

    If you're developed one skill to the point that you can do it on autopilot, so to speak, then you might be able to get away with multitasking with that skill and one other thing, but...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    That's not what's happening. She's not having trouble reading or seeing the shirt. She's having trouble remembering who the character is and how to fold a shirt as well as fumbling her words and not realizing she should have Fox putting the shirt down before dismissing her.
    That's just getting frustrated by her lack of focused concentration. You can see that in Fox's expression. The laundry mistakes don't get bad until Nanase gets mad at the book.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taevyr View Post
    I could definitely properly listen to a book while folding laundry, or doing dishes, or any similar activity that doesn't require all that much thinking, though.
    Again, just to be clear, she is not listening to a book. I can listen to something while working on something else too. But what I can't do is read a page with my eyes while doing something else. There is a reason people use audiobooks on road trips instead of paper ones.
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    For the vast majority of people, "multitasking" is impossible, you're just splitting your focus.
    You're right. Except that folding laundry takes almost no focus. It is entirely possible to do that while listening to something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celestia View Post
    You're right. Except that folding laundry takes almost no focus. It is entirely possible to do that while listening to something.
    Except she's not listening to something. She's holding a paper book in her hand. Reading with your eyes does need more focus than listening to an audiobook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Fullbladder, Master of Goblins View Post
    Except she's not listening to something. She's holding a paper book in her hand. Reading with your eyes does need more focus than listening to an audiobook.
    Especially when both tasks (reading and laundry folding) rely on sight.
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    I don't think it's anything in-depth as both tasks relying on sight. She is, rather simply, splitting her attention between the book and (unconsciously) giving directions to Fox. Anyone who has read something while getting distracted by something else (or being unable to focus for whatever reason) can confirm that it's absolutely possible to read a page or more without actually understanding it.

    The more your attention is split between different things, the harder it is to focus on any given thing well enough.

    (Different people probably have different thresholds for this sort of stuff: I can't do audiobooks or podcasts because I always end up getting distracted by something else or just my mind wandering)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radar View Post
    Especially when both tasks (reading and laundry folding) rely on sight.
    Laundry folding doesn't necessarily rely on sight, though.

    You can do it blind. It takes a little longer, but if you have normal tactile levels... 'okay, waistband, long legs, these are pants, fold this way. Waistband, short legs, shorts, fold this way'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Fullbladder, Master of Goblins View Post
    Except she's not listening to something. She's holding a paper book in her hand. Reading with your eyes does need more focus than listening to an audiobook.
    She's also not just browsing the book. She's reading it. She's tracking the characters, connecting them to previous events, piecing the scene bit by bit. Think about studying for an exam - you know when you just browsed a textbook and when you actually read it once the bell rings.

    I know that, once I've read a book, I don't really need to think when reading it a second time. I can pick it up, flip to any page, and the scene just picks up behind my eyes from there, because I constructed it the first time I read it. It's a handy trick for killing a few random moments when you've got nothing better to do and a book sitting just in arm's reach. But that first time I read a book, I read it carefully so that I can do that. Audiobooks, youtube, that sort of thing... I don't pay the same level of attention most of the time. It just kinda washes over my like just so much light and sound. Fun in its own way, but not the kind of mental workout a proper book is.
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