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[Radar]

It is not currently canon. That could change in the future, or it could not. It could also be declared pseudo-canon, where the story is non-canon, but Jay's characterization within the story is canon.

So basically the canon cannons are loaded, but we have yet to see, if they will fire. It's like the Sarah's "a thing that is happening".

[Lizard Lord]

It could also be declared pseudo-canon, where the story is non-canon, but Jay's characterization within the story is canon.

It could, but that just feels like a weird writing choice to me. By all rights that I can think of Jay's motives and status as friend or foe should remain a mystery until the main characters can figure that out themselves. In my mind it makes Jay more intriguing. To be first given any insight into that from a possibly non-canon side story about video game logic just seems off to me.

[Celestia]

It could, but that just feels like a weird writing choice to me. By all rights that I can think of Jay's motives and status as friend or foe should remain a mystery until the main characters can figure that out themselves. In my mind it makes Jay more intriguing. To be first given any insight into that from a possibly non-canon side story about video game logic just seems off to me.

Oh, it'd definitely the wrong call to make, not arguing that. I'm just saying it's possible.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

It is not currently canon. That could change in the future, or it could not. It could also be declared pseudo-canon, where the story is non-canon, but Jay's characterization within the story is canon.

This is effectively correct:

IN ANY CASE... I'm not ready to say how canon the whole of this storyline is.

I AM ready to say, however, that anything we learn about Jay's backstory IS canon.

GW

[Lizard Lord]

In that case I hope that the "how is this happening" mystery leads to this being canon, because otherwise we shouldn't know this stuff about Jay just yet.

[Celestia]

In that case I hope that the "how is this happening" mystery leads to this being canon, because otherwise we shouldn't know this stuff about Jay just yet.

"I'm not ready to say how canon the whole of this storyline is."

Translation:

"This story is definitely canon, but I don't want people to know yet, so I'm going to play like it's still undecided."


Of course, this is Dan we're talking about here, so maybe he really is just writing a story with no knowledge of where it's going? It wouldn't be the first time.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

"I'm not ready to say how canon the whole of this storyline is."

Translation:

"This story is definitely canon, but I don't want people to know yet, so I'm going to play like it's still undecided."

No, it's more like "I don't know where this would go in the canon, so I may declare it to not have happened at all, just so I don't have to figure out when it happened, but that's Jay's characterisation going forward".

Dan likes plunge characters into a scenario as a way to figure out what the characters are like, but doesn't want to tie himself to the scenarios having actually happened in the main story. Which is fair enough - it's like he writes fanfics of his own comic, as a way to further explore the characters.

Grey Wolf

[Fyraltari]

I consider this as « canon unless proven otherwise ».

That’s my usual position on NP stuff, anyway.

[Celestia]

No, it's more like "I don't know where this would go in the canon, so I may declare it to not have happened at all, just so I don't have to figure out when it happened, but that's Jay's characterisation going forward".

Dan likes plunge characters into a scenario as a way to figure out what the characters are like, but doesn't want to tie himself to the scenarios having actually happened in the main story. Which is fair enough - it's like he writes fanfics of his own comic, as a way to further explore the characters.

Grey Wolf

I like how you deleted the second half of my post and then "corrected" me by repeating what I had said in the second half of my post.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

I like how you deleted the second half of my post and then "corrected" me by repeating what I had said in the second half of my post.

The part that is just an ad hominem against the author? I though I was being polite by skipping that bit. It certainly expresses an opinion nowhere to be found in my post, whatever you say. But no worry, won't make that mistake again.

Grey Wolf

[Celestia]

The part that is just an ad hominem against the author? I though I was being polite by skipping that bit. It certainly expresses an opinion nowhere to be found in my post, whatever you say. But no worry, won't make that mistake again.

Grey Wolf

Wow. Way to take this discussion from zero to super f***ing insulting in one post. Like, do you have to mentally prepare yourself before you write something that thoroughly condescending, or does it just come naturally to you?

[Lizard Lord]

Dan has openly admitted to initially not knowing where the story was going, so I don't see Celestia's comment as much of an ad hominem.

[Landis963]

Grace's "least-favorite Celebrity-Voiced NPC," eh? This is based off of Fable, so who in Fable's cast was good at marksmanship, voiced by a celeb, and would be someone Grace despi - Oh no.

[Rater202]

Not gonna lie, I'd actually forgotten about that comic from way back in the beginning.

[Celestia]

Not gonna lie, I'd actually forgotten about that comic from way back in the beginning.

How dare you not remember a single page from 18 years ago!

[Gnoman]

It is always nice when panels are reproduced verbatim this long apart. Gives a great chance to see the degree of art evolution.

[Radar]

It is always nice when panels are reproduced verbatim this long apart. Gives a great chance to see the degree of art evolution.

Yup and it is not just about drawing quality. Paneling and scene composition improved as well. We see much more of the emotions of the characters, because their faces are visible. In the old version the second panel was used for a small flashback and in the third one we see Grace from the back. The new version focuses on the characters, which works much better. This is why the third panel was cut into two parts so we can see both Grace and Sarah.

[Qwertystop]

And it still keeps the older, slightly shorter hairstyle for Sarah – good catch, there, detail I wouldn't have been surprised if it was overlooked.

[Rater202]

Elliot continus to fail at perversion.

[Radar]

Elliot continus to fail at perversion.

He is considerate to a fault, which I think is kind of cute.

[Rater202]

Okay, I really don't want to sound crude here, but... I get the feeling that Wednesday's comic is going to move the scene to someone else and the next time we see Elliot and Ashley they'll be wearing each other's shirts.

[Radar]

Okay, I really don't want to sound crude here, but... I get the feeling that Wednesday's comic is going to move the scene to someone else and the next time we see Elliot and Ashley they'll be wearing each other's shirts.

Considering what happened in the changing room in the mall, I would not rule it out. I know that feeling, when crowbar would not be enough to pull you away from someone.

In order to be more subtle, I will describe the mood Elliot and Ashley are in through a song.

[Celestia]

Is it weird to kiss someone who looks like you? Yes. Yes it is.

[CrypticUnhlpfl]

Oh hey, this thread seems way more enjoyable than the TVTropes one. Made a new account and everything to come in here.

So how about that latest NP comic? I'd link, but postcount restrictions.

Interesting foreshadowing, especially with how much Susan has already acknowledged changed. But what I really wonder is how many of these characters are actually NPCs. None of the other supposed NPCs have reacted any way but humorously (if at all) to Susan's fourth wall breaks, have they?

By the way, does this forum use BBCode? For links and suchlike.

[Lissou]

Welcome! Yes, at the bottom for me it says "BB Code is On" so I assume that means the forum uses it :)

[CrypticUnhlpfl]

Ah, thanks. On mobile right now, so I don't see that. More reason to use desktop, I guess.

[Celestia]

By the way, does this forum use BBCode? For links and suchlike.

Yes^. There is also a ten character minimum limit.

[CrypticUnhlpfl]

So the latest NP. Timeskip, obviously, but... doesn't bust size equate to magic level in this setting? Either Susan somehow lost levels or I'm forgetting something.

[Qwertystop]

So the latest NP. Timeskip, obviously, but... doesn't bust size equate to magic level in this setting? Either Susan somehow lost levels or I'm forgetting something.

Cosmetic potions.

[Kish]

Which, with only one curve reduction potion left, suggests that she's back to being maximum level in magic, since if she wasn't she'd save it until she was.