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    Is it just me or does that guy look like one of the two adventurers that
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    Not in the slightest. They were a half-celestial/full celestial and a four-armed spellcaster, neither of whom were dwarf-sized. I could see them as groomsmen at the wedding though. Also, Roy didn't veto it, Durkon simply opted to turn them down when he heard Roy got 4 people.

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    Not in the slightest. They were a half-celestial/full celestial and a four-armed spellcaster, neither of whom were dwarf-sized. I could see them as groomsmen at the wedding though. Also, Roy didn't veto it, Durkon simply opted to turn them down when he heard Roy got 4 people.
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    For some reason I got the feeling that this new extended relative was some kind of immensely powerful Epic Level Incarnum-user, but a Celestial is also a perfectly valid hypothesis. Although I think "random insanely-powerful adventurer" fits better with the joke as a one-off distant clan member who just shows up out of the blue up to help. Plus a possible "out of the blue" pun could be another reason for all the blue, as well.

    I'll have to dig around in my books to see if there's a power that lets the user summon an Incarnum sword (that ethereal sword was definitely some kind of supernatural effect, not a physical weapon.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron L View Post
    I'll have to dig around in my books to see if there's a power that lets the user summon an Incarnum sword (that ethereal sword was definitely some kind of supernatural effect, not a physical weapon.)
    And that got me thinking... Would Notthad be able to enter the blue barrier area with his mighty sword without becoming stone if it is a power, and not a magic weapon?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron L View Post
    Plus a possible "out of the blue" pun could be another reason for all the blue, as well.
    I'll bet two coppers on that.

    @D.One: wow, you just got me to flash back to about 1968, cartoons on TV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zimmerwald1915 View Post
    Pretty sure those horns are just on the helmet, rather than protruding out of it.
    My opinion is they’re actual horns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zimmerwald1915 View Post
    Pretty sure those horns are just on the helmet, rather than protruding out of it. It's not an uncommon design in the comic. Tarquin had a horned helmet at one point. Hilgya has one now.
    The base of Hilgya's horns is flat against the helmet. This guy's has a strange circular pattern around the base that, within the limitations of stick-figure drawings - is suggesting the horns poke through the helmet rather than being glued to it.

    A quick search for Tarquin's horned helmet was not successful on my part, but if someone can link it for me, that' be nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    The base of Hilgya's horns is flat against the helmet. This guy's has a strange circular pattern around the base that, within the limitations of stick-figure drawings - is suggesting the horns poke through the helmet rather than being glued to it.

    A quick search for Tarquin's horned helmet was not successful on my part, but if someone can link it for me, that' be nice.

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    I'm not sure, there are spikes on his helmet in
    http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0911.html

    But I wouldn't call those horns. Is there a hornier helmet?

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    Here it is, and also here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hroşila View Post
    Here it is, and also here.
    The latter (in the new drawing style) looks like Hilgya's, and unlike NotThad's, so I standa by my personal opinion that the little semicircle at the base of the horns in NotThad's helmet indicates a hole in the helmet to push them through.

    (As to how that works physically, I'd imagine in the same way that Roy puts on his armour - i.e. there are hinges not visible in the drawing style)

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    Quote Originally Posted by KorvinStarmast View Post
    @D.One: wow, you just got me to flash back to about 1968, cartoons on TV.
    Nice job.
    Thanks. My mind went there too. (I'm kind of a psychic time traveller)
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    He could e art minotaur art dwarf to explain the horns.
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    You're not the first person to mention it, but I don't see what the point would be.

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    Are they anything like the Oxford Commas?
    No, those are similar to the Oxford Vegetative States.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    the little semicircle at the base of the horns in NotThad's helmet indicates a hole in the helmet to push them through.
    I think that's supposed to be a mount or bezel of some kind. At this level of detail, I'd expect a hole through which a horn is protruding to actually be shown with an infinitesimal gap, which there isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zimmerwald1915 View Post
    I think that's supposed to be a mount or bezel of some kind. At this level of detail, I'd expect a hole through which a horn is protruding to actually be shown with an infinitesimal gap, which there isn't.
    I kept being unable to phrase what I was thinking, so I'm very pleased that you managed to do it for me. Yeah, I think it's decorative and not indicative of biological horns.
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    This is way, way, out there, but could he be War?

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    Huh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir_Galliant View Post
    This is way, way, out there, but could he be War?
    I don't know, but he surely has the Monopoly of our attention for now...

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    I don't know, but he surely has the Monopoly of our attention for now.
    Which makes for nice misdirection, if the monsters are also paying more attention to him than to, say, Roy or Vaarsuvius.
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    Which makes for nice misdirection, if the monsters are also paying more attention to him than to, say, Roy or Vaarsuvius.
    To Roy. SR 31 on the nightcrawler, and being an elf, mean she's basically a non-factor for this fight, and probably the remainder of the book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zimmerwald1915 View Post
    To Roy. SR 31 on the nightcrawler, and being an elf, mean she's basically a non-factor for this fight, and probably the remainder of the book.
    Wait, I thought you hated Wizards. Elves as well, now? Are you going to despise the color pink and ponytails too?
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    Wait, I thought you hated Wizards. Elves as well, now? Are you going to despise the color pink and ponytails too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Wait, I thought you hated Wizards. Elves as well, now? Are you going to despise the color pink and ponytails too?
    As an elf, she can't pass the orange barrier.

    Neither can the humans and halfling, but at least Roy and Elan (through Roy) can make themselves matter in the fight with the nightcrawler. As a wizard who uses SR: yes spells, Vaarsuvius cannot. Neither can Haley or Belkar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zimmerwald1915 View Post
    As an elf, she can't pass the orange barrier.

    Neither can the humans and halfling, but at least Roy and Elan (through Roy) can make themselves matter in the fight with the nightcrawler. As a wizard who uses SR: yes spells, Vaarsuvius cannot. Neither can Haley or Belkar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Nah, I don't think zimmerwald1910 sees himself as better than everybody else.
    I don't think Shadwell did either. As usual with Pratchett, Shadwell is so indiscriminate in his discrimination, the idea is he goes full circle and comes back to a strange form of equality, since they find fault in everyone, regardless.

    Vimes has the same characteristic - sure, he hates the undead. But he also hates dwarves and trolls and humans, if they cause him to have to come over and do his job. He tended to prefer dwarves early on, because whatever crimes they committed he didn't hear about... until in later books he does start hearing about said crimes.

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    Yeah in the end I don’t see Shadwell as hateful as that quote makes him to be, just tremendously grumpy. Which does fit, Zimmer, now that I think about it.

    So I agree with the Shadwell comparison but not with the quote.

    As for Vimes, there’s a strong element of self-loathing in there, which becomes an important plot point comes Night Watch and, especially, Thud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Yeah in the end I don’t see Shadwell as hateful as that quote makes him to be, just tremendously grumpy. Which does fit, Zimmer, now that I think about it.

    So I agree with the Shadwell comparison but not with the quote.
    Huh. That's not how I read the quote at all. As I see it, what is being said is that while the person may say they "hates southeners", the quote is telling you that you can infer they must be standing in the North pole, because in fact they hate everyone. I.e. that is not racism, but general distrust of humanity as a whole.

    In short, the quote is an assurance of the text that despite sounding racist, Shadwell is not racist. Just a curmudgeon. Oh, and the self-loathing is crucial: there is a difference between hating everyone because they aren't you, and hating everyone, including yourself, for not being as good as they could be.

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