OOTS #1165 - The Discussion Thread

[zimmerwald1915]

Which is which?

Presumably bar haggis is the evil one.

[PontificatusRex]

And since it’s probably time for me to stop digging this hole deeper, I’ll also withdraw the original assertion about alignments, citing lack of good points to back it up. Apologies for cluttering up the thread. I’ll try to spend a bit more time thinking through my support of such claims before posting them in the future.

Gods, I seem to have fallen into a portal to an alternate universe where people have reasonable discussions on the internet and can admit they're wrong when the fact don't support their previous statements!

I need to find my way home to the real world!

Actually, wait - never mind.

[Kamunami]

A bit late to this one, but I've just got to ask.

If you can kill two bushes with one stone axe...
Then a bush in the hand is worth... how much?

[Keltest]

Presumably bar haggis is the evil one.

I dunno, that goes against the stereotype of the scotsman who lives in a bar all day.

[thorr-kan]

Presumably bar haggis is the evil one.

Oh, dear God, no.

Haggis out of a can is pure, unadulterated excrement.

[Peelee]

Oh, dear God, no.

Haggis out of a can is pure, unadulterated excrement.

Spoiler: What about whole chicken in a can?

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[thorr-kan]

Which is which?

"I'm glad you asked that question, Dave."

In 2006, some friends honeymooned in Scotland. They brought back canned haggis for the Friday Night Gaming Group to try. (ETA: Onna dare; they knew what they were inflicting.) NEVER AGAIN. -1/5 stars, nuke from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

In 2008, the Wife, myself, and a dozen friends rented two Volkswagen 8-person diesel vans and touristed all across England and Scotland for 2 weeks. One place we stayed was Gargunnock House, in beautiful Gargunnock, https://www.gargunnock.org/. In the delightful pub, one couple ordered haggis and shared. Fresh made, it was quite tasty. 3/5 stars, would try again with my own order.

[thorr-kan]

Spoiler: What about whole chicken in a can?

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Canned meat, by definition, is not evil just because it's canned.

Canned haggis, by definition, is evil.

[Peelee]

Canned meat, by definition, is not evil just because it's canned.

Canned haggis, by definition, is evil.

Spoiler: I see that you're not intimately familiar with whole chicken in a can.

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One of my friends actually got me that once. When we finally got the courage to open it, it was... well, let's less photogenic than that picture.

[Rogar Demonblud]

Canned meat, by definition, is not evil just because it's canned.

Canned haggis, by definition, is evil.

Can't be worse than the American conception of lutefisk.

[Jasdoif]

Can't be worse than the American conception of lutefisk.

The discovery of a Horadric Lutefisk Cube, in a dungeon beneath what is now the state of Minnesota, streamlined the entire production process...but it was not without cost.

[ken]

A bit late to this one, but I've just got to ask.

If you can kill two bushes with one stone axe...
Then a bush in the hand is worth... how much?

Maybe... "A bush in the fireplace is worth two on the hillside"

[Ruck]

Presumably bar haggis is the evil one.

I'd guess the opposite, just generally given the quality of freshly prepared food vs. canned (especially for something as notorious as haggis).

[zimmerwald1915]

Oh, dear God, no.

Haggis out of a can is pure, unadulterated excrement.

Word order matters

[zimmerwald1915]

And now for something completely different: what is that fire spell that Vaarsuvius is chucking at the nightcrawler? It doesn't quite look like a fireball, and it would be odd if it was a fireball, as its trajectory would place its area of effect around Elan and Roy - neither of whom have Evasion. It looks like one of Tsukiko's orbs, which would actually be quite effective SR: no spells, but those are Conjuration and Vaarsuvius can't cast Conjuration spells. Shadow conjuration could copy an orb spell, and has been used to explain other Conjurations including the early-strip Evan's spiked tentacles[] and the print-only stinking cloud, but there isn't much advantage to using it as it both allows a Will save which the nightcrawler would almost certainly make, and is an SR: yes spell.

[JumboWheat01]

The start of Aganazzar’s Scorcher maybe? I know that's more a line spell, but artistic license is a thing.

[thorr-kan]

Can't be worse than the American conception of lutefisk.

The Dane and the Swede/Bohemian from the Friday Night Gaming Group have been back to Scandanavia. Scandanvian response to lutefisk? Paraphrased: "We killed it with fire a long time ago, and you think it's a delicacy? What the hell is wrong with you people?!"

I'm an alum from a Minnesota, Swedish, Lutheran-affiliated college. I'm perfectly aware of what lutefisk is, how much other alum will pay to eat it at college fund raisers, and how disgusting it is to serve.

By the grace of God, I have never been in enough of an altered state of mind to actually try it.

[thorr-kan]

Spoiler: I see that you're not intimately familiar with whole chicken in a can.

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One of my friends actually got me that once. When we finally got the courage to open it, it was... well, let's less photogenic than that picture.

I'll bow to superior experience. Canned chicken is also evil.

I still maintain canned meat is not evil by definition. That, of course, leaves exceptions.

[Kish]

It looks like one of Tsukiko's orbs, which would actually be quite effective SR: no spells, but those are Conjuration and Vaarsuvius can't cast Conjuration spells.

Tsukiko called them Evocation. You can treat that as "Tsukiko meaninglessly misspoke," but I'm treating it as "they're Evocation in OotS as they were in 3.0ed" until Rich says different.

[LadyEowyn]

Spoiler: I see that you're not intimately familiar with whole chicken in a can.

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One of my friends actually got me that once. When we finally got the courage to open it, it was... well, let's less photogenic than that picture.

Why does that exist? Why in the world would anyone buy that when you can get quite decent rotisserie chicken at most supermarkets?

In fact, why would anyone eat that in preference to anything else? Unless they were starving to death?

(Granted, tastes differ. One Cracked.com article on something like “the world’s five grossest foods” had the comments section filled with people defending the deliciousness of those foods. The most memorable one was whole baby chicken still in the egg, from Vietnam. And I think I would eat that before trying chicken-in-a-can.)

[Peelee]

Why does that exist? Why in the world would anyone buy that when you can get quite decent rotisserie chicken at most supermarkets?

In fact, why would anyone eat that in preference to anything else? Unless they were starving to death?

(Granted, tastes differ. One Cracked.com article on something like “the world’s five grossest foods” had the comments section filled with people defending the deliciousness of those foods. The most memorable one was whole baby chicken still in the egg, from Vietnam. And I think I would eat that before trying chicken-in-a-can.)

See, the problem here is that that picture (and the one I had) is the version without giblets. Which leads me to assume they make a version with giblets, where the true value probably lies.

[Rogar Demonblud]

The canned version is preserved, which your typical supermarket/rotisserie bird won't be. For some people, that's a consideration. The only time I had canned chicken, it was on a canoe trip up on the Boundary Waters. It wasn't too bad slow roasted over a hardwood fire after a day of paddling.

[factotum]

I think I saw someone open one of those whole canned chickens on Youtube once, and his main problem with it was the same as mine--what is the point of including all the bones? Surely part of the point of cans, apart from the whole preservation thing, is to make foods easier to eat!

[Cazero]

The canned version is preserved, which your typical supermarket/rotisserie bird won't be. For some people, that's a consideration. The only time I had canned chicken, it was on a canoe trip up on the Boundary Waters. It wasn't too bad slow roasted over a hardwood fire after a day of paddling.

But then, when you're really hungry, evrything tastes like chicken.

[zimmerwald1915]

Tsukiko called them Evocation. You can treat that as "Tsukiko meaninglessly misspoke," but I'm treating it as "they're Evocation in OotS as they were in 3.0ed" until Rich says different.

Or she was deliberately lying to the person she was trying to kill.

[Riftwolf]

Spoiler: I see that you're not intimately familiar with whole chicken in a can.

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One of my friends actually got me that once. When we finally got the courage to open it, it was... well, let's less photogenic than that picture.

I always wondered what a godless nightmare would look like, thanks for illustrating that.

[Kish]

Or she was deliberately lying to the person she was trying to kill.

...about something that didn't impact Haley's ability or lack thereof to survive the orbs in any way...

Let me rephrase slightly: You can disregard Tsukiko's words there if you want; I'm not.

[Jasdoif]

It looks like one of Tsukiko's orbs, which would actually be quite effective SR: no spells, but those are Conjuration and Vaarsuvius can't cast Conjuration spells.

Tsukiko called them Evocation. You can treat that as "Tsukiko meaninglessly misspoke," but I'm treating it as "they're Evocation in OotS as they were in 3.0ed" until Rich says different.

I note that the Conjuration spell in the 3.5 Complete Arcane (and Spell Compendium) is called "orb of electricity", while Tsukiko said "Electric Orb"...which is what the Evocation spell in the 3.0 Tome and Blood is called.

[Rogar Demonblud]

So like Zz'drti's "Fly" spell, the 3.0 version has been houseruled in?

[Jasdoif]

So like Zz'drti's "Fly" spell, the 3.0 version has been houseruled in?

Sort of, I guess...but with different names, different spell schools, and different stances on spell resistance; I think they're distinct spells, even before considering the Giant's stance on multiple spells covering the same thematic ground.